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I think Steve last appears around November, maybe a little later. After that we start hearing of him doing trucking runs in Greece. By that spring (?) he is locked up and cuts ties with Betsy.

I don't remember them ever having a minister or preacher as a regular. There was often mention of faith but it was more in the personal lives of the characters. I think the core of the show could have played on a regular network - other than some of the heavy-handed moments the earlier episodes aren't as faith-centric. It is more intrinsic later on but not suffocatingly so. @dc11786 So many great insights. I'm going to keep those in mind when I get to those episodes. They definitely should have done more with Peter and Nancy and with Peter feeling like the odd one out of his family.

I think some Betsy/Steve moments are available - unfortunately a lot of what we should see, especially once Steve starts working in Greece, takes place offcamera due to Frank Runyeon having left the show, IIRC.

The late '60s are such a time of upheaval for GL, with only Bert and Papa Bauer as long-term actors/characters (and I'm not sure how much Papa was still appearing). They were fortunate that the recasts of Mike and Ed worked out and that viewers accepted Peggy, Leslie and Sara enough for the show to propel those characters to the heart of the canvas.

Not sure if this was posted before, but a few years ago someone uploaded a brief clip from The Survivors (with plenty of Lana Turner Eye Acting). There's a preview for the show in the first few minutes of this - the same as a clip that has been on Youtube for years, but timestamp aside this is better quality.

Based on how flat the new characters and most of the returns have been in recent years, it's hard to care, but best of luck to them.

I was never a huge fan, but I'd say there's quite a bit. She has a sister on the canvas as well as the man she was in love with when she left (Adam).

Soaps aired five days a week and were looked down on (and still are), so there was never the care or effort to keep them. And some of the moments that were kept were destroyed in fires. They aren't usually that successful when repeated, although Dark Shadows did well, probably due to only being on about five years and being seen as more of a horror/fantasy show.

And of course, Republicans are ignoring this or claiming they are plants. Republicans always do whatever they want, even as Democrats are constantly worried on public opinion.

https://ew.com/lynne-marie-stewart-dead-pee-wees-playhouse-actress-78-11684690 So underrated. Hilarious and sad on Always Sunny and sweet and sad on Pee Wee. That Groundlings era - Phil Hartman, Cassandra Peterson, Paul Reubens - had all time talent.

https://newrepublic.com/article/191702/trump-musk-national-institutes-health-wrecked

It's very sad to live in a world where Amazon will get more of Mr. Beast ripping off Squid Game but not this. Given the ever-shrinking economy and the industry supporting actors and creatives less and less, I do wonder if we will ever see any real support for soaps. I think the revival just made some very weird choices, maybe down to budget issues - it's never good when your show is run by guest characters and much of your cast is part-time - but even if it had been superb I don't think they would have had another year. I still think 15 minute soaps, with just a few cast and a few sets, may be the way to go.

George Armitage Dies: 'Grosse Pointe Blank' Director Was 82 One of Armitage's key early jobs was being an associate producer on Peyton Place, which he discussed in more detail in this interview. https://www.filmcomment.com/blog/interview-george-armitage/

It would be very short-sighted but I wouldn't be shocked.

Thanks. So he may get the ghoulish soap free future he wants. What exactly caused a surge for these shows anyway? They always seem interchangeable to me.

Thanks for sharing. I didn't know Chris had had a stroke. Beautiful to see how much they've supported him.

To be honest I had long stopped watching B&B by that point, aside from clips here and there. I had forgotten about her being on there. You're right, she was well-liked.

Considering that the show had a noticeable ratings drop last year after making very minimal changes that amounted to canning FOFs, longer scenes and "a few characters think Sonny is bad...for a month," ABC may think people will move on even more with extra changes. Looking at the ratings year on year it seems GH actually went up in a key demo, so maybe ABC figures that's alright? I don't know. I wonder if that exec who wanted to have soulless GMA clones replace GH is still working at ABC.

GL had Reva on trial for Annie's miscarriage. AMC had a trial for Michael Cambias' murder. I generally find trials on soaps to be tedious and prone to self-parody, although they have their moments.

That makes me laugh. If anyone knew that it was Peggy. Reminds me of the story she told about making Lad, a Dog, and how they had cheap cars while the dog arrived in a limo.

I still think Diane dying by the hands of Carrie rather than the people viewers had seen her battling for years was a bit of a copout, but I also know I've only seen some scattered episodes so shouldn't assume. Likely so. I wonder if Long/Kobe always planned the story of Philip going bad (the first version, in 1984, not the second version in 1988). Unfortunately, between firing Tom O'Rourke and Chris Bernau quitting, there were no ramifications, beyond some brief angst for Beth. Then Grant quit so viewers had even less reason to care, attractive as John Bolger may have been.

They did confirm that Nate was dead, if that counts...still, the show could cull so many. What I notice most in these clips is how bleak the show is. I am not sure if there are any laughs to be found. I guess Mandy is meant to be the comic relief, but that's not very much.

I have a lot of respect for MVJ. I just don't have any trust in the other people involved. I hope it works out. You're right that the Sprina fans may watch. I was thinking more about the current GH viewers as I assume most of them quit last year, given Trina's treatment. The scene alone of her groveling to Joss and calling herself a bitch would have driven me away if I had mostly been invested in the character or her relationships.

Thanks @chrisml . At least we know that wasn't BS, as Barbara said on Locher Room she'd been a fan before joining the show.

I don't think GH in of itself is going to be a lot of competition as they likely have different audiences - GH caters to an older, conservative base who are likely disgusted by the idea of BtG - people like that fan who went on a racist rant against GH and Y&R last year. I think that show's biggest issues may just be the issues that have hurt daytime soaps so much, much-discussed - a social media world, many who don't have time now for soaps, or see them as old hat, etc. I wish they had tried a half-hour soap. But CBS asked for what they asked for and I hope they will stand by the show. I mean I am not sure those who want BtG to be a break from GH will get that full break given that so many who ran GH (into the ground) are working at BtG.