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  1. vetsoapfan

    GH: January 2019 Discussion Thread

    Ryan needs to kill 3/4 of the current cast, starting with Sonny, Jason, Franco, and all the other degenerates permeating Port Charles.
  2. vetsoapfan

    GH: January 2019 Discussion Thread

    When I saw how awful,cheap and unprofessional this new GH opening was, I immediately thought of TGL's dreadful 2003 monstrosity. Before today, TGL held the dishonor of having the weakest opening in daytime TV history. I guess now GH has taken the booby prize. Maybe GH does not want us to be able to see how many pointless/irrelevant/repulsive characters are on the show, and how many actors need to be let go, LOL.
  3. vetsoapfan

    Another World

    This would work for me. A platonic, mother-son-like bond developing between Alice and Jamie would precipitate conflict between Alice and Rachel and provide both actresses with interesting dynamics to play. Rachel would be filled with insecurity and anger, just like she was in "the old days," and sparks would fly. Particularly if Jamie decided to spend even part of a holiday with Alice at the Matthews house. It would be great if Jamie could become closer to Russ as well. Right. The show had both Jamie and Rachel fantasize about seeing Steven again; why not Alice too? You don't bring back, say, Tony Geary to GH and fail to have him interact on screen with Genie Francis. Reinholt and Courtney had been hugely popular during their heyday. They deserved that reunion, however brief.
  4. vetsoapfan

    Another World

    I personally would have been grossed out by a Jamie/Alice affair. I was watching when Jamie was born into the Matthews family as Alice's "nephew," and then when he grew up as her stepson. I know stranger things have happened in real life, but my first instinct about such a pairing is...eww. I'd rather Alice and Rachel battle over Mac. Of course, maybe I'm just too hypersensitive. I was appalled when Laura Baldwin ran off the man who had RAPED her on GH. I was aghast when Rick slept with Blake on TGL, knowing they had originally been reared as brother and sister. Craig Montgomery and Dani Andropolous on ATWT? Gag me. He had been her stepfather. I imagine even Aunt Liz would have had a stroke upon hearing that Alice was sleeping with Jamie. BP was beautiful and talented, and without JC as Alice, Pat had inherited the title of the show's linchpin character from its early days. Rauch and Corinne Jacker wrote her out with the excuse that Pat was out of storyline possibilities which was, of course, insane. My only complaint about Courtney's appearance for the show's 25th anniversary is that they did not have her interact with George Reinholt on screen. What a baffling missed opportunity. I wish they had taken advantage of the vintage Alice/Rachel scenes from 1974 to use in flashbacks, instead of the one they did use from March 25, 1985. BUT! It was wonderful to see JC on the show again, and her scenes with VW were filled with history and very satisfying. JFP's getting her grimy little hands on Courtney/Alice. Yikes. The thought alone makes me shudder.
  5. vetsoapfan

    Another World

    Some actresses should never be replaced. Whether I am personally a fan of their work or not, I know that fans would never truly accept anyone taking over for Susan Lucci, Deidre Hall, Kim Zimmer, Genie Francis, etc. Alice was never Alice after Courtney's departure. I do believe Harney was at least a competent actress, but she was too young for the role and came across (IMO) as cool and aloof. She would sometimes have a slack-jaw look on her face, which made her Alice look kind of dumb, LOL. Technically, Vana Tribbey could act as well, but her Alice was (again, IMO) too sexual and "hip," too sarcastic.. Linda Borgenson was shockingly bland and lifeless. No spark, no charisma, no depth. The worst recast, however, was Wesley Pfenning. She ranks down there with Charity Rahmer (DAYS), Ann Hamilton (TGL), Jason Kinkaid (ATWT) and Susan Batten (ATWT) as one of the worst recasts in daytime history. UGH. At least in her final appearances on the show, Alice was played by the one actress who should have been in the role all along: Jacqueline Courtney.
  6. vetsoapfan

    Another World

    I have complained about both for DECADES. It was like the hair and wardrobe people hated Courtney and wanted to humiliate her. So many headwriters for AW in its later years were dreadful and should never have been hired.
  7. vetsoapfan

    Another World

    I was devastated when Mary Matthews died. When the scenes aired, I was completely in the dark about all the backstage drama between Dwyer and Lemay, so Mary's passing was a TOTAL shock. It was only later that the daytime press starting publishing stories and interviews about had had gone on behind the scenes. Hugh Marlowe and David Bailey were not terribly interesting actors, but Jim and Russ had been infinitely more charismatic when Shepperd Strudwick and Sam Groom played the roles. Starting in the mid-1970s, when Marlowe began having trouble with his dialogue, the show started limiting his lines (or so it seemed to me), which did not help matters. The Matthews family definitely needed its appealing leading ladies to provide spark at that point. Janice Lynde had been extraordinary as Leslie Brooks on Y&R, but on AW, she was saddled with a bland, nondescript character and a colorless leading man. Their pairing was a bust from the get-go. Brian Murray and Lynn Milgrim were woefully miscast as Dan and Susan Shearer. They were both highly theatrical in their performances, as if they were projecting for the stage instead of the small screen. Neither one of them came across as particularly warm or likeable. They felt stiff and unnatural. Even though their characters were technically part of the Matthews family, I wanted the actors to be written off. While I appreciated the Rachel/Rac/Iris story, characters and dynamic, I'd still vote for the Alice/Steven/Rachel saga (as written by Agnes Nixon and Lemay from 1971-74) to be daytime TV's creme de la creme.
  8. vetsoapfan

    Another World

    It's baffling how the show mishandled JC's return in 1984. Although she was still a gorgeous woman and very popular actress, the writers did almost nothing with her for the entire year she was back, and then wrote her out again, with nary a whimper. Writer Gary Tomlin later took the blame, admitting that he had not really studied the history of Alice and Rachel, and failed to use Courtney properly. But this one scene from March 25, 1985 proved that someone, either Tomlin or that day's scriptwriter, had done some much-needed research into history. This was the single best scene Courtney was given during her year-long return. The dialogue was good, the characters were in character; everything worked. After months of Courtney having dreadfully short, cropped-off hair (which did not suit her at all), Alice was looking chic again. To fire the actress at that point, when there was so much viable, intriguing story potential for a Rachel/.Mac/Alice triangle...was sheer incompetence and stupidity.
  9. vetsoapfan

    Another World

    The weird thing about Rauch was that he was not ALWAYS an [!@#$%^&*] to Courtney. He sent her a dozen red roses on her 27th birthday, and then, after he had fired her from AW, he gifted her with the wardrobe she had worn as Alice. Decades later, when she passed away, Rauch praised her in the press (!!), calling her a "great gal" who could always be depended upon to give stellar performances. If these sentiments were even remotely true, I wonder if lemay and his petulance werew the real driving forces behind Courtney's firing in 1975. I also found Harney too cold to play Alice, but as well, her version of the character just seemed...not very bright. A combination of the writing and lackluster performances, I guess.
  10. vetsoapfan

    Y&R January 2019 Discussion Thread

    Between Braedon and this unknown, irrelevant Trip Langley, I'd place my bet on Braedon having more of an insider's perspective of the situation.
  11. vetsoapfan

    Y&R January 2019 Discussion Thread

    Who the phucque is Trip Langley, and why does he assume that HE knows anything about anything?
  12. vetsoapfan

    Another World

    I agree, since she was a central linchpin and the last remaining original cast member, Courtney's continued presence could have helped keep AW stable. But with so many other core characters written out or recast, it made JC's firing even more damaging and egregious. In published interviews, Courtney acknowledged that at the time of her dismissal, she had felt it would be now appropriate for Alice to grow up and become stronger in order to raise Sally on her own. Rauch brought her into his office and told her about the upcoming storyline that Lemay had created for the character, which would have seen Alice being a helpless, manipulated weakling. When Courtney balked, Rauch did not say anything right away. Courtney left town for a month's vacation and when she returned, she was told the show had already dumped her and Alice was being recast. Rauch had announced to the daytime magazines that Courtney and AW had parted company through "mutual agreement"...although Courtney knew nothing about it. Shades of how Rauch treated and spit on (figuratively) Lillian Hayman on OLTL. When Susan Harney was playing Alice, I remember Lemay writing scenes in which Rachel and Alice were suddenly friendly, with no explanation of how they had gotten to that point. Rachel even invited Alice to have lunch with her at Ada's house (soup was on the menu) and Alice agreed. I thought, WTF is this? Another time, Willis Frame was at work, but he had to take a break from office duties because, "I told Alice I would make a phone call for her." Again, WTF? Alice was now such a cripple that she couldn't use the phone? It was hard to watch, and Courtney had been right to disagree with how Lemay planned write for Alice after Mary and Steven died.
  13. vetsoapfan

    GH: January 2019 Discussion Thread

    That insatiable itch just needs to be scratched, huh? 😉
  14. vetsoapfan

    Another World

    My pleasure. I doubt Lemay's ego and pride, along with his apparent personal dislike of the actress, would allow him to admit he had made a huge mistake in firing Courtney. Considering some of the gratuitously nasty and childish swipes he took at her, I was surprised to see him admit she had star appeal which contributed to OLTL's rise in the ratings. Personally, I felt she was both a strong actress AND charismatic, while Susan Harney was a capable actress who lacked much charisma. Without a doubt, the audience loved Courtney dearly, and it's always foolish to fire long-running series leads who are so beloved, just because the writers have personal issues with them. There was a revolving door of recast Alices, and while a few of them were better than the others, some of the actresses cast were simply dreadful, and even Lemay admitted that after Courtney was fired, the character never recaptured her former popularity. The loss of Dwyer, Reinholt, Courtney and Susan Sullivan left the show in a vulnerable, weakened state, and as its competition grew significantly stronger over the next few years. AW's ratings took a sharp nosedive, and the soap never really recovered. After Lemay and Rauch were both gone, P&G would have been smart to do their best to rehire Penberthy and Courtney, and even get the enormously popular Sam Groom back as Russ. The story about Steven Frame returning from the dead might have worked if it had been well written (Corrine Jacker was dreadful), and if Courtney had been playing Alice at the time. If George Reinholt had calmed down by that point, and could be relied upon to behave in a professional manner, I would have preferred to see him bring the character back, of course. I fantasized about AW bringing Mike Bauer over from TGL, to reignite his relationship with Pat Randolph, after Don Stewart left TGL. And I wanted Douglas Marland to assume the reigns of headwriter on AW after he left TGL. With the likes of Courtney (and maybe Reinholt), Wyndham and Watson, Penberthy and Don Stewart, Irene Dailey and Constance Ford, AW would have been filled with popular actors and characters, and with Marland at the helm, we would have had a writer who knew the show and loved using history. Our AW might have been able to rebound and flourish. Alas, it was never to be.
  15. vetsoapfan

    Another World

    In the press, Dwyer said that her problem with Lemay's writing was that he had (without foundation) turned Mary Matthews into a domineering, cold shrew with little signs of the warmth, kindness, and humor she had always previously exhibited. He railed against Dwyer's changing any dialogue in attempts to keep a consistent through-line for the character, while at the same time, highly praising his pets like Constance Ford for doing the exact same thing; for editing and changing their dialogue to make their characters seem more in character). Lemay clearly disliked the actress personally, and in his book, he describes their meeting for lunch with a few ludicrous descriptions in which he projects negative thought processes onto Dwyer (which clearly, arose from his own overheated imagination unless he was a documented mind reader). In the mid-1970s, Hugh Marlowe, who played Mary's husband Jim, was starting to have trouble with his lines, and would stumble through them, "go up", and look around desperately for the teleprompter. Lemay blamed this on Dwyer (!!!), even though Marlowe kept fumbling dialogue with other cast members too. Dwyer said that Lemay did not believe there really were good, maternal women like "the original-concept" Mary Matthews in the world, and he was determined to write the character in the negative light he perceived her. In fact, Lemay admitted that when Dwyer complained, he got miffed and started to give Mary's potential story material to Aunt Liz. Talk about petulant. As a viewer who had watched AW from 1964, I was perturbed by Mary's sudden change in character, but at least I could justify it in my own mind by remembering how dreadful Rachel and Steven had been to her children. I could see Mary becoming cold and bitter towards those two, but I can see why Dwyer might find it uncomfortable to play. Imagine Alice Horton suddenly acting like a vindictive Phoebe Tyler. It was jarring. I don't think it was Dwyer who had the ego problem, certainly not in comparison to Lemay and Rauch, both of whom proved to be endlessly triggered and/or pompous over the years. To me, it was a terrible mistake to kill off Mary Matthews and to fire enormously talented and popular actors like Courtney and Reinholt. Susan Sullivan as Lenore also left the show the same year, and the loss of all these many actors/characters crippled the AW's core. Lemay said that Michael M. Ryan (John Randolph) was boring and he was not interested in writing for him. I agree that Lemay technically continued to use the Matthews family characters, but unfortunately, the "new" actors hired to play Susan and Dan were not particularly attractive or likable, and David Bailey as the new Russ was dry and colorless. I don't believe the majority of the veterans audience ever really warmed up to Susan Harney, who was too young and too cold to play the new Alice. With all these newbie actors playing key roles, the Matthewses suddenly felt like a bunch of unfamiliar pod people. It did not help that Hugh Marlowe often stumbled through his lines. Thank God for ID as Aunt Liz and BP as Pat. I think the friend whom Lemay referred to in his book was Nic Coster, who later acknowledged that he had trouble learning his lines, and that Beverlee McKinsey was not so nice about that.
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