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  1. My sincerest apologies for this very belated response. I loved reading your amusing story, especially the part about how your classmates were discussing soaps during study hall when they should have been studying. You make a good point about how, circa 1980, it appeared that the trend was either to expand to 60 minutes or face cancellation. Certainly, the perception was that the 30-minute soaps were the weaker ones. Interestingly enough, this perception persisted through the late-90s, even though B&B had been a highly successful soap for many years by that point. Had SFT remained on CBS and expanded to an hour, and if it was posting solid ratings in the 1986-87 Season, the show's prospects for survival into the 90s may very well have nevertheless been shaky. As another poster here (I cannot recall exactly who) stated, SFT was not a family show the way that ATWT, GL, and AW were. If I am not mistaken, this poster went onto say that Mary Stuart's talent and charisma were enough to sustain SFT until the early-80s, but the show needed a younger generation of characters--tied to legacy families--in order to continue to remain competitive in the ratings. (If I am misrepresenting what this poster wrote, I apologize.) SFT's writers certainly erred in killing off too many characters who were part of Jo's family (including her sister, Eunice). I don't have the time to research the familial ties of Stu Bergman, but the comments written about about Mary Stuart and Jo also apply to Larry Haines and Stu. Although Liza was Stu's granddaughter, there still needed to be more of a core family structure surrounding Stu by the time the early-80s rolled around.
  2. When Brockman made that comment (which was published in July of 1986), Capitol's cancellation was pretty much a fait accompli. But he obviously wouldn't admit that publicly, since that would cause further erosion in Capitol's ratings. However, I don't think that it was a 100% certainty that Capitol was doomed from the start. As I've indicated before, though a new Bell soap was what CBS really wanted, I believe the network would have also kept Capitol had that not been its lowest-rated soap. To accommodate both Capitol and B&B on CBS's schedule, ATWT or GL would have been trimmed down to 30 minutes. (And given how each of those two soaps were performing in the ratings during the 1986-87 Season, GL would have been the show that reverted back to 30 minutes.) I feel the same way in regards to SFT (had CBS chosen not to cancel it back it 1982 to make way for Capitol); if SFT was not the lowest-rated soap on CBS, it would've coexisted with B&B on the CBS schedule (while GL was reduced by 30 minutes). As to how SFT's Nielsen ratings would have compared with those of ATWT or GL during the 1986-87 Season had it remained on CBS, it's impossible to know. Obviously, one can say with virtual certainty that it would have been in much stronger shape (both in terms of ratings and of quality) than it was while on NBC.
  3. Though Adams opposes defunding the police, it's not uncommon for major party nominees to be hurt by stances taken by the party's base (even if such views differ from those of the candidate). This isn't the best parallel to what might happen in NYC, but Congresswoman Abigail Spanberger seemed to believe the "Defund the Police" messaging is what caused problems for her and other House Democrats in 2020 (in spite of the fact that Spanberger herself doesn't hold such views). If we're talking about executive branch positions, major party nominees will usually be hurt if they are running to succeed an unpopular incumbent. The most obvious recent example of this was with John McCain in 2008, whom I believe was damaged more by George W. Bush than by Sarah Palin. And when Larry Hogan won a stunning victory to become Governor of Maryland in November 2014, the unpopularity of then-Governor Martin O'Malley proved to be a factor in the downfall of the Democratic Party's gubernatorial nominee that year. If I lived in NYC, I most definitely would not vote for Sliwa given all the skeletons in his past. But the scenario I mentioned (of a ten-to-fifteen point Adams victory) could conceivably happen if (1) Sliwa can capitalize on the factors I previously mentioned, (2) there's huge turnout in the Trumpy portions of the city, and (3) there's low turnout everywhere else. Of course, Adams winning by 30+ points is the far more likely outcome given that NYC is overwhelmingly Democratic and given that Sliwa will be saddled with both Trump's massive baggage as well as that of his own.
  4. I'm opposed to ranked choice voting when it comes to primaries, primarily because certain candidates could form opportunistic alliances. (Certainly, candidates have every right to do so, but I'm not a fan of such machinations.) I think that a much better system is simply to have the top two vote getters advance to a runoff (unless one gets an outright majority). Though I can see some voters being disenchanted if they are displeased with both of the top two vote getters, a runoff does provide each of the remaining candidates with a chance to further expand his or her appeal. I very much want to see the two-party duopoly come to an end, and ranked choice voting could work quite well in a general election (with a voter being limited to ranking his/her top two or three candidates). Though opportunistic alliances could also form during a general election, it would be extraordinarily unlikely for the Republican and Democratic nominees in a given election to make such an alliance. Whether it be ranked choice voting or a top-two candidate runoff, such a system would allow voters to seriously consider supporting third party and independent candidates without fear of "throwing away" their votes. (Even with RCV or a runoff system, I concede that minor party and independent candidates are likely to do quite poorly at first. But if their vote share increases, so will their money and their chances of participating in future general election debates, both of which are absolutely essential for electoral success.) Regarding the NYC mayoral election, it's way too early to predict what will happen in the fall other than to say that Democratic victory is certain. What I will be very curious about is Eric Adams' margin of victory over GOP nominee Curtis Sliwa. Mr. Sliwa is a deeply flawed candidate, and NYC is way more Democratic today than it was when Rudy Giuliani ran for mayor, but Adams's candidacy will be harmed by Mayor de Blasio's unpopularity, NYC's crime surge, some voters' opposition to the police defunding movement, and the divisive Democratic primary. (The divisive 1989 primary between David Dinkins and Ed Koch certainly helped Giuliani that November. And the divisive 2001 runoff between Mark Green and Fernando Ferrer was a factor in Michael Bloomberg's general election win.) While I think that the most likely scenario is that Adams wins by over thirty points, it wouldn't be the biggest shock in the world if the margin of victory is between ten and fifteen points. However, a single digit Adams victory would be a big surprise and likely complicate his efforts to be an effective mayor. I certainly don't see how Sliwa could manage such a strong showing, though I do think a Republican in the mold of Governors Charlie Baker, Larry Hogan, or Phil Scott could perform such an electoral feat.
  5. Richard Donner Dead: ‘Superman’, ‘Lethal Weapon’ Director Was 91 – Deadline This is such sad news, in spite of his advanced age. "Superman" is my all-time favorite movie, and he's also the reason why "Superman II" is a great film. (I personally think that Part II had an even stronger story than Part I, but the horrendous decision to fire him--even though the second film was about 75% complete at the time--definitely took a toll on the overall production quality of "Superman II.") Donner's death is also coming so soon after Ned Beatty ("Otis") passed. Aside from "Superman" and both versions of "Superman II" (the "Donner Cut" and the theatrical version, the latter of which contains about 30% of scenes he directed), I must admit (to the best of my memory) to never watching any of his other legendary movies in full, whether it be a film in the "Lethal Weapon" franchise or "The Goonies." [EDIT: After I wrote this post, I remembered that I did watch "Scrooged" at least once.] I'm not sure if it would be more appropriate to discuss this topic in a separate thread, but I've long been fascinated with the behind-the-scenes story of the Christopher Reeve Superman franchise (which went off the rails with "Superman III" and had a very sad ending with "Superman IV: The Quest for Peace," a film that often makes lists of worst movies ever made). I'll post these five videos (that have long been available on YouTube) in this thread, unless the moderators deem it more appropriate they be discussed in a separate thread. These five clips are a documentary of the development behind the Reeve Superman series, with a heavy emphasis on the major contributions Richard Donner made:
  6. Thanks for your informative response. Since CBS was considering a number of soaps to either replace SFT or something else in its lineup, I find it interesting that the network kept Love of Life around for so long, as that soap was in the bottom tier of the ratings since the 1972-73 Season (save for a modest improvement in rank during the 1975-76 Season). While LOL was likely a decent money maker for CBS until its final season (when ratings plunged to a 3.5 all the way from the 5.8 it had the previous year), I highly suspect that soap also suffered from older skewing demos, which one would logically believe to also be the primary reason for SFT's cancellation. (As for SFT's then-new 2:30 P.M. timeslot, it's hard to imagine the disagreement between CBS and P&G being so contentious as to cause that soap's cancellation. Of course, I could certainly be mistaken on that matter.)
  7. All of the discussion in this thread leads me to believe that Capitol was put together very hastily. CBS had wanted Bill Bell to produce a second soap for many years, but he of course wasn't ready to do so until the late-80s. At the same time, it seems quite clear that CBS was willing to keep SFT on its daytime schedule (until Bell's second soap was ready) on the condition that it air at the time CBS wanted it to air. But because P&G was giving CBS a lot of grief over the 2:30 P.M. timeslot, and also because SFT had older-skewing demos, CBS decided to cancel SFT altogether. Once that decision was made, CBS very quickly needed a replacement, and it made some sense to turn to John Conboy given his success at Y&R. Though Capitol's initial purpose was to be a time filler, I suspect CBS would have kept it once B&B was ready had Capitol performed considerably better in the Nielsen's. And even though Capitol was never really a soap that CBS wanted, it still embodied so much wasted potential, IMO. Though I haven't watched much of the soap, the episodes I did watch never captivated me. This is especially puzzling since--at least on paper--a soap about politics would seem to be a lot more interesting than a soap about the fashion industry. Now, in Capitol's defense, CBS should have aired that soap at 1:30 P.M. during its entire run; sandwiching it between ATWT and GL just seemed odd. It's interesting to examine the history of the timeslots of the CBS soaps (for the Eastern Time Zone), which one can do by visiting this awesome website: http://daytimetvarchive.com/ For easy reference, I'll type out an abbreviated history of the CBS Daytime schedule throughout the 1980s, covering just the soaps: SCHEDULE FROM 04/23/1979 TO 02/01/1980 12:00 P.M. to 12:30 P.M. - The Young and the Restless 12:30 P.M. to 01:00 P.M. - Search for Tomorrow 01:00 P.M. to 01:30 P.M. - Timeslot Given to Local Stations* 01:30 P.M. to 02:30 P.M. - As the World Turns 02:30 P.M. to 03:30 P.M. - Guiding Light 03:30 P.M. to 04:00 P.M. - M*A*S*H (Reruns) / One Day at a Time (Reruns)* 04:00 P.M. to 04:30 P.M. - Love of Life [This soap's final timeslot.] *NOTE: As I didn't wan't to "leave any gaps" in between the time when CBS's first and last soaps of the day aired, there obviously are some timeslots in the above schedule that were not reserved for soaps. As of 2/4/80, the half-hour given to local stations switched from its longtime 1:00 P.M. to 1:30 P.M. time period to the 12:00 P.M. to 12:30 P.M. slot, where it remains today. Regarding the M*A*S*H reruns, they last appeared on the CBS Daytime schedule on 9/7/79. Reruns for One Day at a Time aired from 3:30 P.M. to 4:00 P.M. from 9/10/79 to 2/1/80. These reruns assumed a new timeslot of 4:00 P.M. to 4:30 P.M. on 2/4/80. SCHEDULE FROM 02/04/1980 TO 06/05/1981 12:30 P.M. to 01:00 P.M. - Search for Tomorrow 01:00 P.M. to 02:00 P.M. - The Young and the Restless 02:00 P.M. to 03:00 P.M. - As the World Turns 03:00 P.M. to 04:00 P.M. - Guiding Light SCHEDULE FROM 06/08/1981 TO 03/26/1982 12:30 P.M. to 01:30 P.M. - The Young and the Restless 01:30 P.M. to 02:30 P.M. - As the World Turns 02:30 P.M. to 03:00 P.M. - Search for Tomorrow 03:00 P.M. to 04:00 P.M. - Guiding Light SCHEDULE FROM 03/29/1982 TO 03/20/1987 12:30 P.M. to 01:30 P.M. - The Young and the Restless 01:30 P.M. to 02:30 P.M. - As the World Turns 02:30 P.M. to 03:00 P.M. - Capitol 03:00 P.M. to 04:00 P.M. - Guiding Light SCHEDULE FROM 03/23/1987 TO 09/18/2009 12:30 P.M. to 01:30 P.M. - The Young and the Restless 01:30 P.M. to 02:00 P.M. - The Bold and the Beautiful 02:00 P.M. to 03:00 P.M. - As the World Turns 03:00 P.M. to 04:00 P.M. - Guiding Light If you look at the history of the daytime soap ratings and rankings, one has to conclude that Y&R struggled somewhat with its expansion to 60 minutes. This fact is evident when one ascertains that the 1980-81 Season was the only season since (and including) 1975-76 in which Y&R did not rank among the five highest rated daytime soaps. I'm guessing the 6/8/81 timeslot change from 1:00 P.M. - 2:00 P.M. to 12:30 P.M. - 1:30 P.M. was made by CBS in hopes that Y&R would regain its footing. I've previously mentioned being puzzled in regards to Capitol not airing at 1:30 P.M. But independent of Capitol's launch (which was a mistake, IMO), I'll now add my opinion that CBS erred in moving SFT all the way to 2:30 P.M. on 6/8/81; a less drastic move to 1:30 P.M. would have made more sense. I assume the end of ATWT's two decade dominance (which only ended some three years prior) had both CBS and P&G in a real panic, and TPTB thought that ATWT could make up some lost ground if it assumed its longstanding start time of 1:30 P.M. Anyway, it was extremely unfortunate how SFT was screwed over by so many executives. CBS's attention in the early-80s was clearly focused on getting a new Bell soap on air ASAP and on improving the ratings of Y&R and ATWT. P&G was worried about not just ATWT but also the dire situation at AW. And NBC and P&G were absolutely foolish to think SFT wouldn't lose a massive portion of its audience upon switching networks (with the added burden of competing against Y&R). After some efforts to promote SFT during its first year on the network, NBC sadly subjected it to gimmick after gimmick.
  8. Your point is well taken. I've tried to ascertain the number of viewers which one Nielsen ratings point has represented over the years, but I have been unsuccessful in my search. (I could definitely visit a site such as Newspapers.com and do further research, but I simply do not have the time to do so in the next few days.) I have read statements to the effect that one ratings point is equal to one percent of the households in the United States. Yet to go back to the aforementioned SFT example, I find it implausible that only 16.1 percent of households with televisions were tuned into that soap during the 1952-53 Season. During the highest rated week of daytime history (November 16-20, 1981), GH scored a mammoth Nielsen rating of 16.0. Its highest seasonal rating of 11.4 was actually during the prior season (1980-81), though the 1981-82 Season still garnered an 11.2 rating. Based on what you told me, there had to have been more people watching GH during the very early-80s than were watching ATWT at its 1963-64 Neilsen ratings peak of 15.4. And as I already stated, GH's pop culture impact exceeded whatever impact ATWT had at the height of its popularity. I have long been surprised that GH held onto the yearly # 1 position for a far shorter period of time--only about nine years--than either ATWT (before it) or Y&R (after it). And the history is even more surprising when one examines the weekly ratings, as ATWT and Y&R held uninterrupted weekly streaks of # 1 performances for about 11 years and 30+ years, respectively. The fact that GH was knocked out of the top weekly spot as early as 1982 (which I never knew before reading this thread) is truly shocking. NBC Daytime made so many mistakes during the 1980s that one could write an essay discussing them. CBS wasn't perfect, as evidenced by the fact the network's executives oversaw a decline in GL's quality during the second half of the decade and--more significantly--erred in replacing SFT with Capitol. But the executives at ABC clearly have to shoulder the blame for the fact that GH's reign at the top was a lot shorter than it should have been given the soap's level of pop culture prominence.
  9. Thank you so very much, Carl. I hope that all is going well with you. Though I have not posted in a few years, I still love to visit SON and read the thoughtful comments that people write. When it comes to the level of knowledge and insight of those who post, no other message board even comes close. Thanks again for your kind words.
  10. In terms of pop culture impact--and probably in turns of profits generated, as well--I suspect that you are correct. But the highest rated soaps from the 1950s through the beginning of the 70s had higher seasonal Nielsen ratings than did Monty's GH. If Wikipedia is correct, SFT had a record 16.1 Nielsen rating during the 1952-53 Season. ATWT had a bigger cultural impact than SFT, as the troubled marriage of Bob and Lisa appealed to many viewers during the early-60s. (For ATWT, it peaked at a 15.4 rating in the 1963-64 Season, compared to 11.4 for Monty's GH.) ATWT's dominance was finally challenged by Agnes Nixon's AW, Bill Bell's DOOL, and the dual medical dramas of The Doctors and a pre-Monty GH. But even with all that, soaps were still (very unfairly) viewed as disposable, throw-away material. It wasn't until the mid-70s when public perceptions of soaps were altered, as AMC and Y&R changed the game and attained white-hot levels of popularity among a younger and more urban audience. Since Gloria Monty's first stint at GH began not long thereafter, some understandably but erroneously believe that was when soaps were at their most popular.
  11. This may be heresy, but I think that NBC should never have launched Santa Barbara in the Summer of 1984. I can see why NBC wanted to air a unique soap, but such a launch should have waited until the network's daytime division was more on par (in terms of Nielsen ratings strength) with that of CBS and ABC. Both DOOL and AW experienced very encouraging ratings growth during the 1983-84 Season, but the latter soap still had so much more ground to make up due to the disastrous 90-minute experiment and decision to spinoff the Iris character to Texas. Once DOOL showed that it could place in the Top 5 (in the weekly ratings), the same level of focus and attention should have been given to AW. Sadly that never happened, as 1983 & 84 proved to be the most promising years (ratings wise) for AW post-Lemay. For NBC to have shifted its focus from AW's continued recovery to the big promotional efforts associated with launching SB was a huge mistake, IMO.
  12. George H.W. Bush was president when I first became interested in politics and was somebody who I really admired, so his death brings quite a bit of sadness for me. I know that this isn’t going to be popular, but I thought that the American people made a horrendous mistake in 1992 when they rejected Bush’s bid for a second term and chose Bill Clinton. That said, I recognize that Bush was far from perfect. Nor was he even the individual whom I wish were elected president in 1998; that distinction actually goes to Bob Dole. What’s interesting is that had Michael Dukakis defeated GHWB in 1988, history would have been different in so many ways. Obviously, Dukakis probably would have handled the tumultuous international events which occurred in 1989, 1990, and 1991 in a very different manner than Bush handled them. And domestically, Bush’s 1988 win paved the way for a series of events that allowed all his successors to reach the White House: First, GHWB’s sky-high approval ratings after the First Gulf War led many to believe that he was unbeatable in 1992 and caused all the big name Democrats to take a pass that year; had he had more serious competition, Bill Clinton—who was little-known outside of Arkansas at the start of the 1990's—almost certainly would not have received the Democratic Nomination. (Had Dukakis won in 1988, there obviously would not have been a contested Democratic primary until 1996. But regardless, Clinton would still have had the same level of difficultly winning the nomination due the fact that he was a little-known governor.) Secondly, had GHWB lost in 1988, chances are that his sons would have had a considerably tougher time launching political careers on their own, which—in turn—would have meant that George W. Bush would likely have never become president. Then, were it not for Bush 43’s disastrous second term, the American electorate likely would not have been willing to take a chance on somebody as inexperienced as Barack Obama. And finally, the sad fact of the matter is that Donald Trump’s presidency probably would not have occurred had he not become the leader of the Birther Movement (as that pretty much launched his political career). Before I conclude this post, I wanted to share these fascinating Election Night videos from 1988 and 1992 that are available on YouTube (in case anybody hasn’t yet seen them):
  13. It’s impossible to predict with 100% certainty what will happen to the GOP if the Trump presidency implodes. Perhaps a Democrat wins in 2020 but a major recession or some other crisis then occurs which results in the GOP rebounding by 2024. However, even though the GOP quickly rebounded after Watergate and GWB’s disastrous second term, I think that a similar type of rebound is unlikely to happen if the Trump presidency implodes because the GOP is much more “locked in” with Trump than it ever was with Nixon or Bush. Much more likely, IMO, is that the GOP either (1) spends a very long time in the political wilderness before attaining power again (which is what happened after Herbert Hoover’s presidency) or (2) permanently splits up, with the white nationalists forming one political party and mainstream conservatives (many of whom supported Trump in 2016, but only reluctantly) establishing another political party. If the GOP splits in two, the Democrats would then control all levers of power in the immediate aftermath. Over time, however, I would not be surprised if serious fissures develop in the Democratic Party between the moderate and liberal wings (as pretty much all the important policy fights would be between moderate and liberal Democrats), which could eventually lead to the Democratic Party also splitting in two. Thus, a quarter-century or so from now, it wouldn’t shock me if the United States were to have a four-party system. One other comment (regarding something that you mentioned) is that Cult 45 will almost certainly never blame either themselves or Trump in the event that his presidency implodes. Hannity and Trump's other propagandists have already laid the groundwork over who will be to blame if Trump goes down: It will be the fault of the mainstream media, Democrats, and the "deep state." But above all, Cult 45 will pin the blame on "RINOs" and NeverTrumpers. All this anger and finger-pointing will likely lead to a prolonged civil war within the GOP. Whether the GOP can eventually put itself back together after spending a long time in the political wilderness or whether it permanently breaks up is an open question.
  14. Alphanguy, I believe that the election heads to the House if no candidate reaches 270 electoral votes, and that each state's delegation has one vote. Also, I believe that the newly elected House (i.e., the House that is elected in the 2020 election) would have the power to cast the votes for president. In regards to how each House member would vote, I would guess that 95+% of them would support his or her party's nominee, since supporting the independent candidate would be suicidal for any House member other than a Democrat representing a solidly red district or a Republican representing a solidly blue district. Roman, I wish that were the case, but I unfortunately do not see Trump facing any serious primary challengers in 2020, because there are too many cowardly Republicans who refuse to stand up to Trump and his cult (and the awful showing for Republicans in the midterms will do little to change that). I actually do believe that Trump will face a primary challenge, but it will be one or more of the usual suspects, such as John Kasich, Jeff Flake, or Ben Sasse, all of whom are pariahs within the GOP. Those who are serious threats, such as Nikki Haley, Ted Cruz, and others, are too craven to challenge Trump, because such individuals know that challenging Trump would be seen as an unforgivable sin by much of the GOP base. Of course, if Trump’s presidency implodes (either because of the findings of the Mueller investigation or because of some other scandal that has yet to be made public), then the 2020 GOP nomination will be a free-for-all. And I suspect that Haley, Cruz, Mike Pence, and other serious contenders are busy laying the groundwork for a presidential run (despite their public displays of loyalty to the POTUS) in the event that happens.
  15. Alphanguy, I would be very surprised if Ojeda got the Democratic nomination. However, I've been wrong before in my predictions, and the fact that the 2020 Democratic field is likely to be very large increases the odds for longshot candidates like Ojeda. Regarding the whole Bernie/Hillary feud, I hold opinions that are going to be unpopular with those who are die-hard supporters of either of them. I think that Bernie would have done even worse than Hillary in the general election, for all the reasons that DramatistDreamer mentioned. (I know that polls showed Bernie handily defeating Trump, but such polls are meaningless because Bernie never went through the grind of a general election campaign. This is an extreme example, but many people forget that Michael Dukakis once led George H. W. Bush by 17 points, only to get crushed on Election Day.) At the same time, I am very sympathetic with the Bernie people when they express their views that the 2016 nomination was not a fair fight. Some in the Bernie wing of the party, such as Elizabeth Warren (who granted didn't formally endorse Bernie but shares most of his ideology), claim that the nomination was rigged: https://www.businessinsider.com/elizabeth-warren-dnc-rigged-2016-primary-clinton-sanders-2017-11 I would not go so far as to say that the 2016 Democratic primary was rigged, but it's evident that the scales were heavily tipped in Hillary's favor. Here's just one article that elaborates on this: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/14/16640082/donna-brazile-warren-bernie-sanders-democratic-primary-rigged "It’s easy to imagine Democrats who might have run in 2016. There’s Biden and Warren and Hickenlooper, but there was also New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, and Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar, to name just a few. But all of these candidates, and all the other candidates like them, ultimately passed on the race. Why?" "But part of it was the way elected officials, donors, and interest groups coalesced behind Clinton early, making it clear that alternative candidates would struggle to find money and staff and endorsements and media coverage. Clinton had the explicit support of the Clinton wing of the Democratic Party and the implicit support of the Obama wing. She had spent decades building relationships in the party, and she leveraged them all in 2016. “Hillary had a lot of friends, and so did Bill,” says Elaine Kamarck, author of Primary Politics. This, in reality, is why Biden didn’t run: President Obama and his top staffers made quietly clear that they supported Clinton’s candidacy, and so she entered the field with the imprimatur that usually only accords to vice presidents." "The 2016 Democratic primary wasn’t rigged by the DNC, and it certainly wasn’t rigged against Sanders. But Democratic elites did try to make Clinton’s nomination as inevitable, as preordained, as possible. And the party is still managing the resentment that engendered in voters." IMO, immense pressure was placed on Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, and others not to challenge Hillary for the nomination. This pressure most likely wasn't explicit (e.g., party bosses advising other prominent Democrats not to run), but rather implicit (e.g., big money donors solely giving to Hillary, top talent choosing to only work for Hillary, etc.). The other candidates who did run weren't viewed as serious threats to Hillary. That was certainly the case with Martin O'Malley, Jim Webb, and Lincoln Chafee. And I believe that it was the case with Bernie as well, because--keep in mind--that few people outside Vermont even knew who he was four years ago at this point. As the Vox article pointed out, the fact that the field was essentially cleared for Clinton ironically ended up helping Bernie, as there was a large appetite among a segment of the Democratic base that wanted someone to the left of Hillary. Had Warren run, it's very likely that Bernie would never have caught fire, as she was (at the time) the most prominent figure in that wing of the Democratic Party. In fact, I suspect that Warren would have beaten Hillary for the nomination had she run, since Warren would have had a considerably easier time than Bernie attracting support among minorities and the Democratic Party elite (such as superdelegates). Warren made a mistake not running in 2016, because that was the year when her prospects were the brightest. Of course, Warren isn't alone in missing her big moment: I'm sure that Chris Christie deeply regrets not running in 2012, and I believe that Hillary's best chance of becoming POTUS was in 2004. To his credit, Obama understood that 2008 represented a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for him, and that he would not be viewed as the hot new political phenomenon had he waited to run for president at a later time.
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