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  1. @RavenWhitney I got lost in my train of thought and meant to say that Ellen Barrett, not Joanna Lee, casted Conroy. I thought he was fine, but I sort of get your point about not being typical leading man material. In some ways, he reminded me of Grant Alexander, who I also feel has a very specific look. I thought Adair and Chase were decent, but not awe inspiring. I much rather have seen a Chase / Wendy / Alec triangle. @Paul Raven If it was a short arc, spring 1985, Fairchild would have been between "Paper Dolls" and "Falcon Crest." Am I missing something? If they could have gotten like 13 weeks from Morgan they could have ended my silly sanitarium story with a fire where she saved Suzi's life, but was horribly burned. Then she could be sent away with the audience knowing that she could eventually return with a new face just in time for another sweeps. In terms of other stories, I don't think Patti ever learned that Chris was Len's biological child. Crafting a story that built to that moment would have been worth some time. I think I thought it might be good if they had cast an age appropriate Patti to pair her down the line with Lloyd Kendall, but I think that was because I wanted a scenario where Len would have mentored Alec at the hospital which would have built a rivalry there. Eventually, you could have Estelle on the hospital board and show an interest in Len to make things more complicated. I know that they played a rivalry between Estelle / Sunny over Bela, but I would rather have had them bring back Steve Kendall, who I felt was dumped way too quickly. I know the Kendalls end up replacing the Tourneur / Sentell clan, but initially they are there as rivals, which wasn't utilized to its full potential. I think Sunny and Steve getting together and Estelle being the meddling potential mother-in-law who was her boss would have been intriguing. If they were determined to do a Liza / Sunny triangle, I think it should have been over Lee Sentell. I would have had Cissie run off leaving Lee as a single father. Lee would arrive in Henderson to help Liza with the company. Liza would be interested in being a mother figure to Roger Lee, which would lead to Lee and Liza spending time together while Lee and Sunny were also together. I probably would have liked to see this played out around the same time as the Cord Tourneur story with Cord a more traditional villain to take over the role vacated by Warren Carter. I would also have Cord trying to seduce Sunny to keep her off the trail of his illegal dealings at Tourneur Instruments which would play into the Liza / Lee situation. Given how fluid the canvas was at the time, I think I would have had Cord aligned with a returned and recast Spence Langley. Spence, I believe, also had a small role in the Roger Lee plot. Wasn't he friendly with Cissie? I thought I read he pretended to be the baby's father, but I might be wrong. @robbwolff I have heard about the mystery owner before. Any speculation on who it might have been? Could Tomlin planned to bring Martin Tourneur back into the story?
  2. Thanks for sharing. I was a bit shocked to see that Jack Betts character appeared to be a love interest for Jo. Interesting to hear that they seemed to be giving her something more than that.
  3. I have seen a bunch of stretches from late 1982 until early 1984 before Jeanne Glynn came on and then years ago the episodes from AOL from late 1984 until early 1986. I think Jeanne Glynn's work is a bit of a mixed bag, but a bulk of 1984 is missing so it would be interesting to see how most of that played out. Glynn came in after Tomlin, who left the show in pretty good shape, but had a massive cast turnover within months when Brian Emerson, Kristen Carter, Warren Carter, Ringo Altman, and Travis Sentell departed during a very short period of time. Martin Tourneur and Hogan McCleary were out not long after. I think this really shifted too many dynamics at once. I don't know who left verse who choose to leave, but it might have been more reasonable to recast someone like Warren if Michael Corbett couldn't be tied down to another long term contract or at the very least have spent some time with the fallout. If they had to kill off Warren, I would have liked them to have Suzi unable to handle it mentally and have to be committed to a sanitarium briefly. I think this would have added stakes to the custody of Jonah especially if Kristen returned looking for custody of Jonah for herself. I think Kristen trying to align herself with Wendy, first, as they were friends, before Wendy turning on her because of events that had happened between Kristen and Brian offscreen, before siding with Cagney and slowly falling for him. Meanwhile, you would have Suzi in the sanitarium becoming friendly with a woman who is looking out for her who turns out to be Jennifer Phillips, the woman who killed her mother. Jennifer still had some ties to Henderson (she had killed Eunice, had been involved with one of the Walton/Bergman boys, and had been friendly with Stephanie) so I think she could have come town briefly after the sanitarium storyline. I think if they had integrated Kristen and then Brian back into Suzi's orbit that the writers wouldn't have had to try so hard to come up with story for Cagney and Suzi especially since Brian and Cagney were both police officers. I'm perplexed by what period of time viewers consider the show dominated by the McClearys. I feel like the last year is very McCleary heavy, but most people seem to claim that they enjoyed the Ireland storyline. The little I watched wasn't my cup of tea and dominated a large portion of story time. I thought Paul Avila Mayer and Stephanie Braxton did some good work with the McClearys in making them feel like an actual family, but I didn't feel they were overwhelming. Maybe I just didn't watch enough episodes.
  4. Thanks. When I first got into "Guiding Light" around 1998, I found a website that had saved the old usenet posts for "Loving" episodes. I was surprised to see that there was so little available for "Loving" given that it had aired so recently (as of 1998). My first "glimpse" of "Loving" was those old usenet posts from June 1992 until the show's end. I've spent years reading anything I can find on "Loving" and within the last three years or so have been able to obtain a substantial set of the show's later run. I'm not overly fond of the post-Marland period until Jacqueline Babbin arrives as EP in 1990, but I really wasn't all that interested in 1991 until I saw it so things can always change. I really struggle trying to follow the show in the 1986-1988 years because its just so representative of the outrageous excess of camp and adventure that the soaps seem to embrace in the 1980s especially when it was conceived in order to combat that. I realize there are people that don't like the business plots, but I think Dane Hamond's quest to takeover AE between 1984 and 1985 was a very interesting Marland-style tale with a bunch of threads that impacted various areas of the canvas and created a lot of strong interpersonal conflicts between the characters. Nixon and Marland are very different writers, which is why I think the show struggled. The first six months or so are mostly based on Nixon's original projection for the show with some Marland additions, but after the Lily story ends and the Roger - Merrill affair is resolved the show becomes very different. I imagine it was either more collaborative or Marland had more of a say over what was going on. I think 1984 - 1985 plays very well in those old SOD synopses, but by the summer of 1985 you have things like Ava running around with a gun threatening to kill Stacey, Jonathan Maitland impersonating his brother, crazy Zona Beecham arriving, and Keith hiding out in a brothel with a hooker named Dolly. In my opinion, Nixon's 1993-1994 run is much better than the short period between Marland and Bill Levinson. I've only seen a little of Cece and, as I explained above, I'm not fond of her period so I don't always remember details about certain characters. I believe Cece was introduced in 1985 after Marland left or towards the end. I know Trisha and Steve originally had another obstacle, rich boy Rick Elkins, who had some feelings for Trisha. This was playing out in the summer of 1985 synopses I read, but I don't remember if Cece was already there to take advantage of the tension between Trisha and Steve. In the 1986 episodes online, Steve is serving time because he slept with Cece, who was underage. What's interesting is that I don't think Trisha was of age either. I'm curious how that storyline would be perceived by a modern audience. My understanding is that originally she was just a thorn in Trisha and Steve's side and most viewed as troublemaker during Alice Haining and Rebecca Staab's run. Colleen Dion had the longest run taking over around June 1986 and leaving in Decemeber 1987 around the time Steve was written out. I think Colleen Dion seems very interesting in the material that has appeared from 1987 and Cece definitely seems to be a precursor to Dinahlee. It seems like Ralph Ellis gives the character more dimension when he has Cece get pregnant by Steve in the spring of 1987 and then uses the baby to try to manipulate her way back into Steve's life to the chagrin of Trisha. While it was basically a replay of the Stacey/Jack/Ava situation of two years earlier, I'm intrigued by the fact that Ellis paired up Ava and Cece as friends and had Ava as Cece's confidante when she lost the baby and was planning on lying to keep Steve away from Trisha. I know Ava was afraid her part in the lie would affect her relationship with Clay, but I wonder if there was any reflection on the fact that Ava had just done this. As much as I have come to enjoy Jessica Collins as Dinahlee, I can't help but wonder what could have been if it was Cece Thompson who came back to town in 1991 working as a nanny while secretly working on Shana's payroll. Ava certainly could have used a friend with all that was going on with Paul, Carly, and Flynn. It was neat hearing how Millee Taggart slipped in the Kate story. That is one of the few stories from that period I'm interested in. Hearing the Laura Wright story from James Harmon Brown was interesting. I know Millee Taggart introduced Ally and that they cast Eric Goodall before Laura Wright (then Sisk). There's also a SOD article towards the beginning of the thread that says Laura tested with Ally alongside Jessica Collins and that LW thought Collins was being brought in as an Ally recast and was rude to Collins. I wonder if the contest was a chance to audition for "Loving" rather than actually getting a role on "Loving." There was also the national casting search the next year for the college set. There isn't much of Horan's Clay available. He certainly seems fine as Clay and plays the material well. I think Parlato gets more praise because he was good in what he was given. Honestly, the only Clay I'm not thrilled with is Larkin Malloy, but that had as much to do with the writing as it did with Malloy. Chris Marcantel mentioned they were thinking about doing an all Curtis reunion. I'm sure he must have had a way of contacting Albers. During Chip Albers run, I believe he was close to most of the male cast members to the point that they goofed around together. I'm wondering if the "Men of Loving" isn't just a rebranded version of the friends of Randy Mantooth reunion that Marcantel mentioned was coming up. Mantooth would have worked with most of the actors on the panel accept for maybe Christopher Cass. Cass is a bit of an oddity on that panel because he only worked with James Horan from what I recall. Then again, Christopher Cass has commented on Lauren Marie Taylor's posts so maybe there is more contact. Honestly, I was sort of hoping for some combination of James Kilberd, Tom Lignon, and/or Ron Nummi as they all seemed to be connected to Marcantel on social media. I wouldn't be surprised if we get another pop in video or last minute jump in from Bryan Cranston. I have similar feelings about the storyline. Christine Tudor Newman is spectacular in those final scenes and I'm not necessarily sure the entire storyline would be as well remembered. When Gwyn finally is forced the realization that she, not Trisha is the killer, I am absolutely heartbroken. Gwyn begging Steffi to end her pain the way Gwyn has ended everyone else is incredibly compelling. After seeing how Curtis was treated when they thought he was the killer, I was pleased to see that there was certainly a level of sympathy given to Gwyn. I'm not really sure what happened with Gwyn. I don't believe it is DID, but I do think there seems to be a level of disassociation. She is insistent that Trisha is the killer and even after realizing she killed everyone. during her clearest most broken moments, she claims she truly believed that Trisha had been doing it. I find the line from Alex about "never truly knowing what went wrong" psychologically with Gwyn rather cheap given what the audience was asked to sit through. This all happens in 1995. I believe this was around the time that most shows were starting to see a steady decline in viewership. The only show that was seeing massive growth was "Days of our Lives" which I believe hit some highs in early 1995 with the possession storyline. I think network execs saw an opportunity there but didn't truly understand that it wasn't just the possession alone that kept the ratings high. The outlandishness of possession storyline drew viewers in but there were a lot of other storylines building (Bo / Billie, Sami / Austin / Carrie / Lucas, Jack / Jennifer / Peter) that could keep the audience tuning in afterwards. I think having Gwyn (who is now in the mental health field like Marlena) going nuts was meant to goose the ratings to deliver healthy numbers for the start of "Loving." The Angie / Charles / Lorraine / Jacob story is particularly strong and had that continued over immediately, maybe "The City" would have had a stronger start. There is no conflict with Jacob and Angie just arriving in the City and building their careers. The start of the Kayla story with her holding a gun on Angie seems such a poor choice meant to mimic the shocking stories told on the nighttime shows on FOX. While not nearly as extreme, NBC hired Jill Faren Phelps to overhaul "Another World" in a similar manner (primetime elements / serial killer storyline) and CBS did a much milder version with "As the World Turns" hiring Stephen Black and Henry Stern who flooded the canvas with much younger characters. The opening episodes of "The City" seemed rather tame. I suspect that the dead body that was found in the carpet during the move in was suppose to let the audience know that things would still be happening, but I don't think that really happened in the early episodes. With that said, the last few months are well remembered. I wonder what would have happened had "The City" survived until the arrival of "The Sopranos." I believe Amelia Heinle was relatively popular on "Loving" and I believe Steffi and Cooper had developed a pretty decent following among those who were watching the show. My guess is that they were hoping to convince Heinle to stick around or at the very least to utilize her popularity to keep people watching.
  5. Ned Bates was part of high school set built around Kelly Conway, Lorna's stepdaughter. Kelly was involved with Rob Carpenter, who was a punk with a careless mother. At the time, Jim Vochek had amnesia and was working at Corinth High because he no longer remembered being a priest. Initially, Ned is interested in Kelly before April is introduced. Also introduced around this time was Dave Hindman, the basketball playing son of Lt. Art Hindman. Dave had academic difficulthy the basketball coach, MacDonald, made sure that Dave would pass. Jim took an interest in Dave and was determined to make sure he would be able to go to college. There may have been a change in writers (from Bill Levinson to Ralph Ellis) in the spring of 1987 because there are some signficant story shifts. April Hathaway is introduced. April is living with her alcoholic cousin, Marty, who took an interest in Jim Vochek. April had been knocked up by a boyfriend, had an abortion, and was kicked out by her parents. I believe the boy's brother was the Alan Howard character who would later kidnap her. This backstory sounds similar to Ralph Ellis' backstory for Jenny Deacon, woman who was pregnant by a wealthy boyfriend, got pregnant, and became a prostitute. Nixon touted April and Ned as the show's new couple to watch when interviewed about the show's fourth anniversary. By May, Kathleen Fisk was dropped as Kelly. Kelly was sent to live with Zach and Lorna in San Francisco. Zach and Lorna had left earlier in the year on their honeymoon and never came back. During this time, Kelly was living with the Aldens. Kelly was replaced with Teri Polo's Kristen Larson, who was initially helping out Dave Hindman to pass his classes and then set her sights on Ned. Rob Carpenter also sort of disappears from the synopses around this time. His mother had abandoned him and come back only for the Carpenters to be evicted. Terry was leaving town to live with her new boyfriend and Rob seems to be left trying to find a place to live. My guess is the plan was initially to transition this group to Alden University, but clearly that never happened. Most of these characters are completely forgotten. April is trying to escape prostitution, then she is stalked by Alan Howard, and then she ends up being kidnapped by the man. When she started on "Another World," Alexandra Wilson declared that April had no real sense of identity and that "Loving" was extremely melodramatic. I don't think she was wrong. From what I've seen of Ellis' 1982 "Search for Tomorrow" run, Ellis can tell some very good character based stories, but he also has characters with extremely loaded backstories. He also could write very poor action adventure tales. I know some of the Alex/Clay and Ava clips feature a story about the duo crashing in the woods. Seems like Ellis was replaying his South American plane crash story from "Search for Tomorrow." In general, I don't think the teenage prostitution angle was the best story to explore less than a year after suggesting that Dolly Jones' daughter was the star of child pornography. At the same time you had April, Lily Slater did return to town. It may have been too heavy for the show.
  6. Burke Moses left in 1987. He landed the role of Rapunzel's Prince in the Broadway production "Into the Woods" during the summer of 1987. Moses was given a 2 month leave of absence to prepare for the play. Curtis was shipped off to Germany. Moses and the production team couldn't reach an agreement about his return, and he was let go in September 1987. I'm not even sure they brought him back for an exit. In the initial news releases, the show stated they planned on recasting, but they dropped the character of Lotty. Judith Hoag departed in November 1987 with Lotty announcing to Ned she was going to Germany to join Curtis. Lotty and Curtis married the week of May 18th, 1987. Later on, someone asked about Ned Bates. I don't think he made it into 1988. If anyone has some more definitive proof one way or another, I'd be happy to see it. When Lotty initially departs, Ned does stay on as a border at Kate's, however immediately after Lotty leaves Ned learns April was leaving. Perry is still in the credits for November 16, 1987 while Lotty, Curtis, Marty, and April are all gone. Then, Steve is shot during the November 1987 bank hold up and dies in early December 1987, which lines up with Johnson's December 1984 start date. Ned would only have Kate to interact with. Cece, who was also living in the boarding house, was written out in December 1987. I just cannot see him staying on with no one to even be a talk to for. I think the Aldens always owned the mansion. I believe Johnny Forbes, Roger Forbes' father, had made his own money through his construction company, Forbes Construction, which was a pretty prominent business during the Marland years. Credits are hard to come by for "Loving." Without seeing scripts, it would probably be hard to know. Then, of course, you have the questionable authorship of 1992, which I don't know if that ever will be cleared up other than asking Addie Walsh directly. Albers seems fine, but Curtis is such a different character due to no fault of Albers. The show had changed so much since 1983 when Curtis was a rascal and conniving schemer. Taggert and King clearly are playing him as Trisha's brother so that is why he is always in the orbit of Trucker's sister. It makes for a tight B-story to the Trucker and Trisha story, but I just don't find it all that interesting. It would have been interesting if Jeff Hartman had managed to woo Curtis to his side through promising to help his career at Alden Enterprises through the production division and played Curtis' divided loyalties. The Dan Hollister murder story doesn't interest me because Hollister is such a ill conceived character from the spy story. To be fair, I have similar issues with Patrick T. Johnson's Curtis, who Taggart and Guza introduce. His Curtis cannot escape the mold of being Trisha's brother even though the potential of a Curtis / Dinahlee / Clay triangle is intriguing. Even with Trisha gone, Curtis is still tied to one of Trucker's siblings (Buck). I do think Albers played a much lighter version of Curtis very well. One of the moments I enjoyed from his run is when Curtis crashes Trisha's bachelorette party in drag with Dave Hindman. This was inspired by a real life incident where Albers, Randy Mantooth, and a couple other male cast members crashed either Lauren Marie Taylor or Noelle Beck's baby shower also donning women's clothing. The bulk of the Trucker / Dinahlee / Curtis stuff is pretty even keeled, in my opinion. Curtis is clearly suffering from post traumatic stress due to his experiences with Dante and is refusing to recognize the need for help. It puts Dinahlee in an interesting spot as she does want to protect him. Dinahlee clearly loves Curtis, but she is not in love with him. There is actually a decent scene between Dinahlee, Curtis, Gwyn, and Clay at Pins where they are all trying to support Curtis despite all their twisted relationships with one another. I even can handle most of Curtis tricking Trucker into thinking Trisha is alive because, well, she is alive. I start to lose my favor with a lot of things around August 1994 when Curtis manipulates the airplane that kills Janie Sinclaire and Jessica Collins leaves. Clay pops up alive in mid-January 1987 and Steve dies in early December 1987. It was probably 1987 that aired.
  7. I know there is always confusion over Jill O'Hara and Susan "Sue" Michaels. Typically, that role is associated with "A Time for Us." Now, I've found a picture of Jenny O'Hara from December 1965 credited as playing Andy, a nurse and friendly confidante to Linda Driscoll, on "A Time for Us."
  8. The guy I remember Conboy pushing was Troy Kurtis’ Nico Castana, who lived with Danny and Michelle because Danny felt guilty as his parents died due to mob violence. Kurtis auditioned for Tony Santos when they hired Stephen Martines. I believe Nico was created for Kurtis. The guy had no story, but some hype. When Conboy was fired they briefly played Crystal Hunt’s Lizzie with Nico. Lizzie was present when Nico OD on Delerium at the rave. Kurtis was one of the first ones Wheeler let go. Kurtis left in May 2004 when Nico left to pursue his music career in New York where he was suppose to stay with Drew and Jesse.
  9. I find the concept of "Full Circle" different, but not practical for television. It sounds like the plan was to have Gary wander from town to town with Crowder just being the first stop. I don't think that would have worked in the long run. It's something that was more geared towards the radio serials where one central character would be involved in things, but not necessarily be impacted directly by the action onscreen. I'd also like to see it, but mostly because there is so little information available. I suspect the show may have some episode teases in TV Guide. Wesley Hyatt, the source of a lot of the information from Paul Raven's post, used TV for several of the older shows.
  10. I have an early outline for this show somewhere. It was suppose to be very different. As I remember, Baylor Duncan, George Hamilton's character, was the main focus. I also feel like there may have been more of an action/adventure story going on. I think some of the original was filmed because they scrapped the original concept when there was a change in producers. The material was repackaged as sold in Europe as "The Last of the Power Seekers." I didn't know that Lana Turner had left the series.
  11. This has got to be one of Travis' last episodes in the first 20 minutes of the video. Travis dies in June 1984. I believe this is the start of a second revamp in a little over a year. When Joanna Lee came on, she shifted the show dramatically, but kept adding characters into the old and the new. So many of these characters are just new. Janet was written out in June 1982 after the move to NBC when the show was going younger to fit the NBC demos. As was already stated, she and Danny left for California. Nicolette Goulet and Patsy Pease. When Danny returns in 1983, he mentions his mother going to Europe I believe.
  12. Excellent to hear. I imagine the original kids is intended to be in honor of the show's anniversary. Very interested in seeing what they talk about this go around. I was looking at that initial promo picture of the four of them and Perry Stephens. Shame Stephens isn't around.
  13. A weird tidbit... In my latest search for information on "A New Day in Eden," I stumbled across a review of the uncut version of "9 1/2 Weeks" featuring Kim Bassinger and Mickey Rooney. Apparently, scenes were used in the film from a script written by Patrick Mulcahey. From what I could tell, it was a small interaction between a man and woman. In the film's credits, Jeff Severson and Kim Michel are credited as "soap opera man" and "soap opera woman." Years ago, I had seen Severson list "A New Day in Eden" on his resume without listing a role. In the brief clip, Severson's character is seen wearing a suit. No clue who he was or how he fit into the show.
  14. Awesome. Now we can update the writer's list: Millee Taggart and Tom King (September 1988 - April 1991) Millee Taggart (April 1991 - August 1991) Mary Ryan Munisteri (August 1991 - January 1992) Addie Walsh (January 1992 - January 1993) [credited until 1/93; may have departed by 7/92] Millee Taggart and Robert Guza (January 1993 - September 1993) Agnes Nixon (September 1993 - at least September 1994) Addie Walsh and Laurie McCarthy (fall 1994 - spring 1995) James Harmon Brown and Barbara Essensten (spring 1995 - November 1995) Interesting. Dinahlee and Flynn are both created by Millee Taggart. Flynn definitely seems to be headed towards Ava, which continues until October when Mary Ryan Munisteri goes Flynn / Carly. That Dinahlee / Gwyn scene is fun. Jessica Collins may have been green, but she is very charismatic. I don't know how the Dinahlee / Jack storyline was initially intended. I know I read that Lauren Marie Taylor went into labor while filming, finished her scenes, and then had her child the next day during an episode of "Loving." The original Rev. Ford. By the fall, its Uncle Frank from the "Home Alone" movies in the role. I have no clue what that hostage / cave story is about with Rocky / Rio / Trucker / Trisha. Interesting that there are several characters referenced who are on the verge of disappearing. Carly has just married Clay and he's about to depart. Rocky and Rio disappear around this time. I didn't even realize they were still around at this point. Fran Sears definitely has a strong idea of what she wants to happen. @Vee Mary Ryan Munisteri did create Giff Bowman. I'm assuming you've seen the episode from October 1, 1991. I believe it is his first episode. Jeremy does replace Giff. It's a bit of a sore point for me because I think Giff, at least as he was initially written, was a much more interesting character. Jeremy tends to have too much soapy baggage in my opinion (the mercenary who was also an artist, the psychic visions). @slick jones Pretty sure that is James Carroll (future Leo Burnell) as the drunk bar patron at Checkers. His voice is pretty recognizable. @j swift You may have seen this. If you haven't, it doesn't necessarily answer your questions. I tried to watch some of it, but this really isn't my kind of story. I like a good imposter story, but the actual execution is a bit much. I think @EricMontreal22 has complained about Ralph Ellis' spy adventures / business storylines. The spy stories seems very boring.
  15. I believe Christopher Bell was Loring Manuel’s pen name.
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