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"And it worked" RTD's complete and utter aversion to criticism summed up in three words. It’s just ego driven ‘aren’t I wonderful?’ The Guardian giving him the platform to put out some pretty egotistical drivel isn’t a great use of their resources I’d say. It very famously DIDN'T work. Viewers pretty much unanimously hated it, and the show ended. But then RTD needs a lesson in humility once in a while. He’s so up himself now it’s unbelievable.

This was shared previously towards the beginning of the thread by Paul but here are the 9/28/87-10/4/87 ratings. Falcon Crest season premiere came in at #33. Knots at compete with the Tonight Show 25th anniversary special. CBS was bombing. Aside from the Sunday movie there were only 4 shows in the top 30:

This 1976-77 tv schedule didn’t last long. Both AITF and Alice were quickly moved to Saturday nights to save that night from failure:

“What once was the peak, is now just the beginning.” So in other words, this company will implode in a spectacular failure by 2030. Got it.

Now when I moved to New Mexico I eventually grew to accept all 3 of the affiliates erratic schedules (especially KRQE!) but to move Edge of Night to a 9:30 AM timeslot is insane although the Mountain Time Zone was use to morning soaps I guess?

Sure was!! 🤣 here was the dinner scene I asked for at Lotus Point

My Sumner Group pic came out interesting lol as did Abby spying on me with one of the Fairgate boys @Soapsuds

With people doing the Halloween AI thing again this year I was bored and decided to imagine myself as a Knots Landing character 😂

39 years ago…a Susan Sullivan Tylenol ad followed by a CBS primetime ad including for Falcon Crest’s season premiere….I wonder if Maggie took an extra of Tylenol that day?

As a follow-up from 9/22-9/28/86 ratings, here are the ratings for the following week plus the AP article outlining the Dallas and Miami Vice ratings woes as well as Dallas' woes in general. @kalbir @Khan @Paul Raven @Soapsuds @DRW50 For the week of 9/29/86-10/5/86: Cliffhangers prove little help for CBS By ROBERT BARR Associated Press Writer NEW YORK (AP) - "Dallas" a top 10 show? No, Pam, it was only a dream, and more than 4 million homes didn't come back for a second week. The A.C. Nielsen Co. ratings released Tuesday told this tale for 9 p.m. EDT Friday: "Dallas" on CBS, 24.1, down 4.9 from the previous week; "Miami Vice" on NBC, standing still at 17.4; and "Sledge Hammer!" on ABC, up 2.6 points to 12.2. With each point representing 874,000 homes with television, that means 4.3 million homes had abandoned "Dallas," and that 2.27 million of those sought their Fri-day night entertainment some-where other than the big three networks. NBC won the week with an average rating of 18.0. CBS, which ran third in the first week of the new season, moved to second with a 16.4 average, while ABC averaged 14.6. With each point representing 874,000 homes with television, that means 4.3 million homes had abandoned "Dallas," and that 2.27 million of those sought their Fri-day night entertainment some-where other than the big three networks. NBC won the week with an average rating of 18.0. CBS, which ran third in the first week of the new season, moved to second with a 16.4 average, while ABC averaged 14.6. -ABC won three nights of seven -Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday while CBS won Friday and Sunday and NBC won Thursday and Saturday. "Dallas" fell from fourth place - when Pam awoke to find Bobby on the shower, wiping out all of last season's developments - to 15th in a week. "The 'Dallas'-'Miami Vice' situ-ation is probably surprising peo-ple," Eisenberg said. NBC had figured "Dallas," in its ninth season, was ripe for knocking off. Brandon Tartikoff, president of NBC Entertainment, said Tuesday he still believed "Miami Vice" would make a horse race of it sometime in November. "The Cosby Show" on NBC was No. 1 with a 35.5 rating and a 55 percent share of the audience in its time period; "Our World" and "Heart of the City," both on ABC, finished last with a 6.5 rating. ABC, however, was making life miserable for NBC on Tuesday nights, where "Moonlighting," ranked No. 7 with its highest rating ever at 25.4. The show buried NBC's "Crime Story," which ranked 63rd with a rating of 10.6. "We are very satisfied with the production of the series," said Tartikoff, who called the show the only "pothole" in his lineup. "If there is a fault, it's in the scheduling." "Hill Street Blues," "Cheers" and "Miami Vice" also had pro-blems getting started, Tartikoff recalled. But with the rest of NBC's prime-time shows performing well, he said he has nowhere else to put "Crime Story." One possibility, he said, is to substitute it for one of the network's movie nights. This week and perhaps next, "Moonlighting" will be pre-empted by the baseball playoffs, and that will be a test of whether "Crime Story" can develop a larger audience, Tartikoff said. He said he expected "Crime Story" to be part of NBC's scheduled next year as well. -Only two new shows cracked the top 20-NBC's "Amen" rated 14th and CBS" "Designing Women" was 19th but ABC's "Head of the Class" was close in 21st place and NBC's "L.A. Law" was off to a strong start in 28th place, tied with CBS "Falcon Crest." "Together We Stand" on CBS placed 23rd for its preview but 68th In its own Wednesday night time slot. Sunday night's battle between Elizabeth Taylor and Linda Evans was no contest. The "Dynasty" star commanded 36 percent of the audience for the first part of "The Last Frontier" on CBS while Miss Taylor and Robert Wagner got just 19 percent of the viewers for "There Must be a Pony" on ABC. NBC's movie, "Trading Places" with Eddie Murphy, was a strong second with a 34 share. Larry Hyams, associate director of audience analysis at ABC, said Miss Evans' film was especially popular in the hinterlands. In the 13-city ratings, it managed only a 26 share.

Dallas ads from 40 years ago…. @kalbir I figured you’d get a kick out of the second one 🤣

A “good retcon” is an oxymoron lol. I suppose Days quickly moving to undo Marlena’s murder in 1982 or GL moving to have Blake Lindsey turn out to be a grown up Chrissy Bauer in 1988 are probably examples of retcons that turned out of the better. Probably the most recent retcon in modern soap history I thought has worked was revealing Diane to be alive on Y&R despite the absurdly ridiculous explanation. As for the worst retcons so many have already been mentioned I’ll just thrown in a few more: AW: Anne and the real truth about why Frankie was murdered ATWT: Lyla was a neglectful mother B&B: “My brother Myron” amounted to absolutely NOTHING. Days: where to begin lol? GL: Princess Reva, Fletcher the absentee father Y&R: Ho boy, let’s go with basically Adam’s retconned history including him being a murdering some guy as a kid.

Thanks for the background insight, I knew something looked a bit wonky there. Not all was lost as the finalized NBC Wednesday night lineup was the one glimmer of hope NBC had alongside LHOP and I guess Chips LOL And Flo was eventually moved to Saturdays behind WKRP. At first glance ABC Wednesday night looks like it should have performed decently. All four of the shows had been in the Top 30 the previous season. But it seems once the clock struck 1980 ABC immediately fell out of favor with audiences following their 1976-79 stay at the top amidst a CBS resurgence. Their Thursday night lineup, previously the secondary powerhouse to Tuesday nights, also ended up floundering. Idk what to say about CBS Saturday nights other than at least they tried something. The potential was there. Given SOMH was supposedly to be more youth oriented, perhaps airing it in the 8/9 Thursday slot between Waltons and Knots might have been better? I would have tested Mangum in the Friday night 9 slot, and then maybe move the established Dukes to Sat vs Love Boat with Freebie at 10? Just my thoughts although I can easily see those changes going down in flames as well.

Tough/heavy competition. Obviously Indiana Jones was going be a major draw but so was Andy Griffith playing a nasty drunk. Lol I remember my high school health class teacher showing us that movie.

Thanks @kalbir ! Here’s the full listing. Knots certainly took a tumble going head to head with Cheers.