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  1. OLTL Tribute Thread

    It's also amazing that the scenes have so many big name actors, but it's almost a Barbara Rhodes monologue. There's the usual begging to hear the story, and some interjections to move the plot along, but mostly she's just sitting there talking. It was an incredibly huge job to give to someone who was not a known character or actor (on that soap). When we recall Karen on the stand, or Nora's summation at the rape trial, or Tina in the taxi before Cord's wedding, those monologues were earned by characters who had been on the show for years. Irene got one scene to walk into Llandfair and then she had to captivate a whole episode. The detail that I appreciated was Todd's anger that everyone believed he had already returned from the dead. As I recall, Todd was incredulous that Blair trusted Victor's outrageous story; prior to learning from his mother that the truth was even more outrageous. It was great to see a soap play out all the beats of returning from the dead, rather than just write it as if someone had come back from Europe. I admire the audacity of trying to be so meta in a soap universe, and I think that Irene Manning Day should hold a special place in Llandview history.
  2. OLTL Tribute Thread

    My oddest recollection about Mitch Lawrence was from his stint as a cult leader. He ran a cult and everyone referred to it as a cult. It was as if there was no attempt cover the fact that it was a cult, and yet it kept attracting new female cult members, (there never seemed to be any men in Mitch's cult). Roscoe Born was great at delivering fire and brimstone speeches, so he was well cast a cult leader, but it was bizarre that the cult-y nature of his church was so brazen. However, the illegal part of Mitch's cult was unclear. He didn't seem to be stealing money, or selling false idols. As a result, I was always confused as to why anyone needed to go undercover to expose a cult that everyone already knew was a cult. I guess the second most odd thing about Mitch was his weirdly retconned brother Walker, who somehow looked like Todd, (but not the Todd before plastic surgery). The exposition dump that Irene Manning (Barbara Rhodes) had to do to explain all of the plastic surgeries will forever be legendary to me. I have re-watched it a dozen times on YT, because it was such an outrageous swing and a miss. However, Ms Rhodes commitment, (coupled with the crazy lighting in the flashbacks), is something that one can only appreciate on soaps. If that nutty episode happened in a second season primetime show, I would turn it off and never watch it again, but sometimes the eye rolling exasperation was part of the fun of watching OLTL.
  3. As The World Turns Discussion Thread

    Did we ever get the lowdown of the disappearance of Kirk Anderson; either fictionally or IRL? It's just so odd to have a character who drove story simply disappear. Tom Wiggin has worked continuously ever since his time on ATWT but, I've never read an interview where he explained his side of story.
  4. Bravo's The Real Housewives of....

    Kathy's tendency to ice out her sister and stop communicating with her seems like a barrier to having them on the same show. Kathy seems more old school and would not want to share the details of her private life in order to gain fame.
  5. OLTL Tribute Thread

    Am I correct in remembering that Sloan's opposition to the AIDS quilt and his homophobia toward his dead son were resolved in the course of an episode? I recall Sloan voicing his opposition all summer, then Andrew lectured him, and he was instantly down with the cause. I wonder if his quick change of mind was meant to rally support for his relationship with Vicky and make him a viable partner? I disagree about the differences between Clint and Sloan. Clint may have evolved into a jerk, but he started as a well educated journalist who rejected the macho ethics of his father.
  6. The soap opera writers' discussion

    I wonder if Agnes Nixon and Bill Bell ever spoke to each other about Irna Phillips with the same type of derision that Pete Lemay used in his book? I know both of their memoirs lack any real criticism of Irna, but it is hard to believe that they never had a bit of a kiki about her antiquated style. Y&R was publicized as a modern soap for young people in direct contrast to the other Irna-created CBS soaps. Ms. Nixon always included socially relevant stories that would have been verboten on older soaps. I don't even know the personal relationship between Bill and Agnes, but it would be fun to hear how they felt about her, and her capricious relationships with her actors, once they were running their own shows. Because it is an interesting contrast to hear the Nixon and Bell acolytes praise their mentorship, while Irna is not remembered as kindly.
  7. OLTL Tribute Thread

    Meanwhile, we both confused Pete O'Neil for his brother Harry, father of Joy, Connie, and Didi, lover of Dorain and Niki, so I'll correct before someone else does. The O'Neil family was flawed, but remember when an entire family would get introduced?
  8. OLTL Tribute Thread

    So, we all agree that Pete O'Neil was the true love of Niki/Vicky's life; right? (lol) My problem with the reiteration of the DID story was the tonal shift. Under different writers and producers in the 1980's Niki Smith was an unintended campy performance. Vicky would throw on a long red wig (wig buying was a previously unknown symptom of DID), look at herself in the mirror with a maniacal smile, and become Niki. It was more similar to Samantha and her evil cousin Sarina on Bewitched. It was a plot point in a murder story and later Tina and Maria used it against Vicky to try to hump Clint. When Vicky's DID was re-introduced it was suddenly supposed to be a mental illness storyline, told with some sensitivity, about the origin of her psychosis. However, in my experience of watching both, it seemed to silly to treat this plot point seriously that had previously been so campy. Coupled with all of the soap DID tropes, like a sudden different wardrobe for each personality to convey the personality changes to the audience, it felt like it was underestimating the viewer's sophistication about mental illnesses. Trying to tell a story about the effect of childhood trauma while trapped in a secret room of a mansion is a mix of silly and serious that never worked for me. Also, unlike alcoholism stories where they are careful to make the character never drink again, or medical stories where they always showed the scar, Vicky psychosis had no effect on the characterization. She was still a solid citizen whom others look to for support. Nobody ever questioned her decisions or treated her differently despite the fact that she went completely unmedicated for years. It was another 90s attempt to try to be socially relevant but really being a bit insensitive and wound up poorly informing the audience. Then, when it was repeated a third time with Jessica it was even sillier because now the audience was fully aware of DID, and Jess/Tess did not fit the profile of a DID client. OLTL had to learn the lesson that once you go to Heaven, the Ol' West and Eterna you should not try to tell sensitive dramatic stories with the same set of characters.
  9. Santa Barbara Discussion Thread

    After reading the AMC critique from its early days on the AMC tribute thread it got me thinking about how much of our fandom is based on the soap press. When a soap fan blames network executives, to me, that always seems to be based on exit interviews of producers to the soap press where they blame network interference on inhibiting their creativity. SB is a perfect example of this issue. The Dobsons gave a couple of juicy interviews to SOD when they left and returned to SB and much the parlance in those interviews is repeated by fans when we despair over the loss of the show. However, I've also been reading the Classic SOD Tumblr, and noting similarities between interviews, which may suggest that our collective understanding of the behind the scenes issues of SB may have been biased. The Dobsons were also interviewed when they left GL and ATWT and they complained about the executives at P&G in very similar tones to their complaints with New World. However, at some point don't we have to question whether or not the Dobsons were the common variable? The first year of the show relayed on multiple recasts that changed the characterizations of both CC and Santana, so was it that outrageous that the network questioned their choice for Pamela Capwell? Networks are asked to put up a lot of money, good producers learn how to get along with the network, perhaps their unwillingness to compromise created many of their own problems? I'm just suggesting that in retrospect it is interesting to look for bias rather than allowing those with access to the press to dictate the narrative.
  10. They're re-booting the Dinah Shore Show? Now I've heard everything
  11. Classic GH Thread

    Does that vindicate Jeff's behavior or is it just a correction of the sequence he used to drive Heather mad?
  12. Guiding Light discussion thread

    I feel like I finally understand the female Spaulding sibling sequence. It seems like GL always wanted to have a female family counterpart to Alan throughout his time on canvas. Despite the fact that Alan's familial heritage was retconned, everyone always thought that they had a right to the company that he started. First Amanda comes along, but she was already established as an anemic character, so although she was a drain on Spaulding resources, she was no match for Alan. She leaves in 1983 and Alexandra arrives in 1984. Alexandra by Beverly was an excellent foil for Alan and she could extend the Spaulding line. But, Beverly left in 1992 and Marj sputtered along with multiple Mindy's until the mid-90's. Then, in 1995 we get the questionable, (I still think she was fake), Malibu-Amanda; whom I was shocked to learn stayed until 1998. I did not recall that much story for Amanda, and there seems to be some lingering stories about the choice of reboot for that character, with that actress, in that way. Then, in 1998 we get Viki Brandon aka Vicky Spaulding; the girl with the least clever undercover name in history. The only satisfaction that I had with her was that she was not instantly given access to Alan's wealth simply because they were related. I know if my here-to-for unknown and disloyal niece suddenly appeared from the Bermuda, I wouldn't give her half my company. She stays until 2001, by then Lizzie was SORASed to fill the female Spaulding role. I find it interesting, in retrospect, to see how different writers tried to extend, as well as balance the family. Of course there was Phillip, Alan-Michael, Nick and all of the male heirs, but I was captivated by how different writers conceptualized the family side of the family. The 70's gives us Sensitive Spaulding, the 80's is SuperDiva Spaulding, the 90's gets Suspiciously-Diverse Spaulding(s), and the 00's got Spoiled Spaulding. Each period had it's own Spaulding lady, and each seemed like a response to the time, rather than an organic character responding to living with Alan Spaulding.
  13. Classic GH Thread

    @Khan or , (in a modern interpretation of the 70's drama) Jeff Webber used her for sex when Anne wouldn't engage in premarital intercourse. Then, when she found out that she was pregnant, he refused to commit to her, alienated her at work, and turned the whole town against her, so that he still seemed good guy. Then, when she tried to give the baby up for adoption, it winds up with a couple down the street from her. Then, even her own mother turned against her. Then, she was framed for murder and drank LSD tea. Heather wasn't born evil or insane, it was a necessary adaptation to a crazy time and place.
  14. Wasn't there buzz about Allen Potter the EP at AW being a jerk to actresses?
  15. Classic GH Thread

    I am fascinated by soap sets and set design. On the SOD classic news TUMBLR, there was an article on the refurbished Quatermaine mansion from the early 90's. The article noted the size of the front door and the added landing at the top of the stairs. However, I instantly noticed that the door at the base of the stairway was missing. The door was across from the living room entry. In older episodes it was amusing to me because it changed from being an entrance to the kitchen to a coat closet depending on the season. Do you think one of the reasons the Q's always had pizza on Thanksgiving was because they could no longer get to the kitchen after Monica remodeled the house in the 90's? Are there any other rooms on that floor or should we imagine a huge second floor, (because there are endless en-suite bedrooms for all the Q's and their cousins) on top of a tiny first floor, like an inverted triangle?