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Was Erica also an alcoholic? The daughter refers to getting sober and that could have been something else. I was thinking more generally since the daughter mentions Erica rather than Phoebe. (And forgive me, I don't mean to quiz you as if you must know the answer, I am really just speculating and welcome any insight or speculation.)

I wonder if that had anything to do with timing -- would Liz also have become an alcoholic if Agnes Nixon had known a specific alcoholic when she was writing the storyline? I found this (obviously more about OLTL and AMC): “I did recognize a few things,” says Nixon’s daughter Mary Hiltbrand, today an artist in Gladwyne. “I got sober, and when I got sober, a lot of the characters started getting sober. Erica went to rehab after I did.” “My brother had an illness that she gave to one of her characters,” adds Cathy Chicos, Nixon’s eldest daughter, who also lives in Gladwyne. “I’m sure there were others.” https://www.phillymag.com/news/2007/06/08/legends-the-original-desperate-housewife/

Thank you! Clearly Lenore's mother has had it up to here with Liz but it feels like if you didn't know the backstory you can't appreciate just how unreasonable Liz must have been, claiming that she is perfectly happy with Missy as her daughter-in-law.

Definitely before my time, I'm afraid. And I am not familiar enough with AMC to have a good sense of Phoebe really either, although I have been able to see the parallels between Robin Strasser's Rachel and early Erica Kane. I have read that Nixon based Phoebe on the kind of Main Line DAR snobs she had met in Rosemont. (Tangentially I recently saw a Fred Astaire/Betty Hutton movie with Ruth Warrick and Shepperd Strudwick in secondary roles and I imagined until the very end that they were going to wind up together, but it seemed they were both left single.)

Do you think that Liz became more like [the future] Phoebe under Agnes Nixon than she was when Irna created the character?

@Maxim I recall how much you disliked Sam's Baby Alli paintings in 1988/1989. When he and Amanda were courting (for want of a better term) his paintings were more abstract. Here's one (about 20 minutes in if the timestamp doesn't work) that Amanda secretly got into a gallery show for him. Definitely a different style.

Elizabeth Franz (Alma Rudder) was included in the In Memoriam segment at last night's Tony Awards. Reuben Santiago-Hudson (Billy Cooper) was nominated for a Tony for his rôle in Joe Turner's Come and Gone.

This was from Alice Barrett's Locher Room interview last year. Since then I have come across more details -- she was part of the cast of Lautrec which Brent had written and starred in in 1984. That was about the same time that she was cast in The Catlins and Brent started as Wallingford on AW that summer as well. "NYT June 29, 1984, Section C, Page 2 If Georges Seurat has made it to Broadway, with "Sunday in the Park With George," can Toulouse-Lautrec be far behind? Not by much because "Lautrec," a new play by Brent Collins, is in previews now and opens Monday, not on Broadway, but at the Riverwest Theater, 155 Bank Street. The play, described as a monologue with 10 characters popping up at various points, has some music and choreography, and will star Mr. Collins, last seen in La Mama's production of "Barnum's Last Life," in the title role."

I believe the sequence was Connie Sellecca walked out and was replaced on the pilot by Julia Duffy. George Clooney was the love interest in the first season. Then in the second season they recast Mary Page Keller as Maggie and replaced the George Clooney character with a different character played by Scott Baio. So in fact Scott Baio has played opposite two different Sally Frames since Jennifer Runyon was his love interest in Charles in Charge.

When Santa Barbara debuted, the Buffalo NY NBC station aired it at 9 am initially although it looks like the Hamilton Ontario station (CHCH) was airing it at 3pm while NBC showed He-Man and the Masters of the Universe.

Mary survived the switch to Open House although the boyfriend character did not. I also faithfully watched her in Baby Talk and Camp Wilder. I remember seeing her on an episode of Grimm and noticing that she and Thomas Ian Griffith also wrote an episode. More recently looking at IMDB they have writing and producer credits on a series called Virgin River. The logistics must have been amazing.

I also enjoyed him in the radio comedy Bleak Expectations where he played the villain Mr Gently Benevolent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleak_Expectations

Marjane Satrapi has died. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2026/jun/04/marjane-satrapi-creator-of-persepolis-and-acclaimed-french-iranian-artist-dies-aged-56

The first song I think of when I hear the name Peabo Bryson is "If Ever You're in My Arms Again" which was Joe and Kelly's theme on Santa Barbara.

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