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It's funny to think that the Simon and Simon relationship actually did cause a little bit of a scandal in the soap magazines at the time, as they were both married to other people.

I have a feeling they were just looking for a reason to get rid of Hope anyway. It's telling that other than Charita, every Bauer actor was heading for the exit doors at the same time. They really must have thought they could just rebuild around Charita. The only interesting thing about George Pilgrim was his TV Guide exit interview where he talked about what a big star he was going to be. Ethan Erickson was perfectly alright, but they just never cared. I think they sort of started a relationship with Drew, but then he was written out. I can't remember if the actor wanted to leave. I agree that a rivalry between Stacey and Michelle would have been more interesting. And maybe have her initially stay in Springfield as Kelly Louise. She is hiding out, but as soon as Nola hears that name, she knows.

It wouldn't be a first for GH (weren't Celia and Jimmy Lee cousins...and didn't they almost pair Bobbie and Bill Eckert?), but it would just be another sign of the show trying to erase Jake from the canvas (again).

I don't think that part is homophobic, but having this backstory to make us feel sorry for Sloan, especially when they knew they were never going to have a gay character on the show in any prominent role (yes there was Billy, but he mostly just had one story and not much else) is offputting to me, as the recent variation with Eva la Rue on GH was. Heathers was already parodying that type of writing choice several years earlier.

That certainly is the reason they avoided having Joey as gay, but when you think of how little of note they ended up doing with Joey anyway, I wish they'd tried. What I found distasteful about that story was inventing a dead gay son to make us feel sorry for Sloan. If they want to talk about homophobia in writing, that type of choice isn't far off.

That's a very expensive bowling shirt.

I was more surprised when they supposedly almost brought Stacey back (via May or Mae or whatever).

I remember seeing him in some of the classicGL clips. It seems he was entirely comic relief before Marland. Probably where he should have stayed.

That does look like Tom.

Thanks @MissPalmer. That channel often begs for subscribers. Normally I am not fond of that, but they upload OLTL content that you can't find anywhere else, so if you aren't subscribed, I'd say go for it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c93n9dn1eyxo An article about a petition to save the show.

Melissa Fumero has a new NBC show, Grosse Point Garden Society. Looks like it started a few weeks ago. Kim Zimmer is going to be appearing in a Raleigh production of A Trip to Bountiful. I posted the interview in the GL thread.

Thank you so much @slick jones

This helps with the date of that last clip. What a silly story this must have been for viewers at the time. I do enjoy hearing Peter Simon do a "mwahaha" laugh.

I wouldn't even say it's the dumbest thing they've done this year. Anything with Joss is a failure anyway. They could have her go to clown school like Maggie on OLTL and it wouldn't matter. Very good work from both ladies. Alexa has been a big gift to the show in terms of performances. Even after all the years out of daytime, she hasn't missed a beat. She reminded me a lot of Bobbie in her argument with Brook Lyn - she will admit to her faults and not care if she's self-righteous, she is still going to say what she thinks. She lacks Bobbie's warmth, but that's what happens when your father is a rapist and a deadbeat and your mother isn't there most of the time. Of any Spencers left on the canvas she's the only one who channels the old Spencer vibes. I've seen some fans say this isn't who Lulu is and it's ruined her, etc. but this is very familiar to me. Maybe they were just big Emme Rylan fans?

Thanks @TheyStartedOnSoaps it's nice to see all those promos together. That first promo is odd if it is meant to introduce new viewers to the show - they seem to imply Curtis is also a Donovan, Roger too, and they don't identify several of the men featured. Seeing Bryan Cranston doing his wacky dancing shows you why he would go on to spend so many years in sitcoms.

I love how thrilled the male host is.

Thanks. I think a copy of that episode is on Youtube, but of course that has a watermark and doesn't have the ads, so someone may prefer to buy the original (if this is the same episode).

@Maxim Not sure you'd be interested (if you haven't already seen this) as you are well into 1989, but it's much of May 24, 1988. Starts at about 50 minutes in.

It's hard to imagine Stu not being there from almost the start, but I guess it would make sense if the earliest episodes were all about Jo's marriage and in-laws and they had to shift focus once her husband died.

Thanks @Maxim I was trying to remember if those scenes were in the WeLoveSoaps uploads. I think these might be a bit before the WLS clips. I liked Deborah Hobart on AW (she was the only Holloway I cared about, even including Judith McConnell and Kit's studs), but she had no business playing Bob's girlfriend. I can already sketch out Dee looking depressed somewhere offcamera during that Peter Simon scene. I think I remember the twinky guy talking to Jay from some other clips, and the actor is familiar too. I guess I should try to look back to remember if he ever had any story. They have a bit of chemistry... Poor Carol. Easily the highlight there.

Thanks! You're right.

I often see people who say this praised for being honest and noble, but most of the time they have also lost any ability to produce. And ATWT wasn't even one of the shows with the crazier fanbases.

I do think Alex wasn't Mike's type - he always seemed to go for more modest women, not someone who was dominant. Lillian makes more sense for Mike. With that said, I don't think a Mike/Lillian pairing would have brought a great deal of storyline. If anything, RVV's Ed not working should have made the show more likely to recast Mike, but by that point they seemed to want to try to move in a new direction, doubling down on "their" families, like the Shaynes and Lewises and Spauldings. I wonder if another reason is ageism, if Mike was just too old for them. If they had brought him back, it might have been interesting to have Hope get drunk and fall and hit her head while home alone with Alan-Michael. She'd end up in a coma and Mike would have to raise Alan-Michael for a while, which would be a struggle for him and also make him realize how little time he spent with Hope when she was a child. Then when Hope woke up, they could have brought back Elvera or recast the part and shown her recovery, maybe even a custody battle between father and daughter.