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Thanks. I had assumed Lee didn't want to go as she returned a year or two later and still didn't really have any story. Quint never had a great deal about him as a character once his "mysteries" were solved - Tylo had some ability to be dashing and do action/adventure, so maybe they should have leaned into that instead of making him the dull scientist, but then when AMC tried the same with Tylo a few years later, he wasn't very good, so maybe they got their best with him from around 81-83 and should have killed him off and seen where they could have taken Nola. Lisa made the right choice to not go back to that mess Ryder, although much as I loved Iva, I think playing such a depressed role for so long broke her spirit, probably along with getting divorced in those years. I enjoyed some of McTavish's choices (like Alex/Hawk, much as I know that would have been inappropriate with Beverlee's Alex), but not many. That whole period of GL when Robert left for the second time was so full of upheaval, a huge amount of exits - I wonder if it was just an unhappy backstage experience at the time.

Thanks. I appreciate your help. I did notice they were going in reverse order - I guess because old material was being taped over, and scraps were left. And sorry for anyone I forgot to tag.

There's nothing in there I'd say is must-watch but anything from that time I think may not have been up before I wanted to alert people to in case it's not up for long and they want to save it.

Thanks @Soapsuds . I am sure that story could be seen as a bit arch now, but it was so important for the time, and given how increasingly anti-gay this country is, the sincerity in the writing is as necessary now as it was then. Someone put up some November 1991 episodes that I don't think I've seen on Youtube before (I may be wrong as there's a lot of undated material on one channel). I was wondering if any of you could help with my confusion over the dates. Based on the promos in these first two episodes (everything after that is bits of material that is already on Youtube), I'd say the first is November 14th and the second is November 13th. However, there are episodes on Youtube dated the 13th and 14th that are completely different from these. Are those misdated? Or am I just completely wrong in all this (not the first time)? The ATWT material starts about 2 hours in. @Vee @Khan @Mitch64 @soapfan770 @dc11786 @slick jones @Paul Raven @MarlandFan @Contessa Donatella @P.J. @Soaplovers @BetterForgotten @Mona Kane Croft @Reverend Ruthledge @All My Shadows @Brolden @TheyStartedOnSoaps @soapfave06 @FrenchFan @Liberty City @TEdgeofNight @wonderwoman1951 @VelekaCarruthers @DramatistDreamer @Franko The Archive link in case this is removed: Various Soap Operas from 1991 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Mainly because there was no new soap for 25 years and because we were at a point of only having three soaps on TV and one on a streaming service. I do agree there are some overinvested fans. I just think that many don't feel that way and there's nothing wrong with thinking an old soap can come back, even if some fans may derail conversation. @Melroser I agree a 30 minute soap is what we need most. BtG being an hour is one of the reasons I haven't had time to even watch most of it yet. Neighbours did sort of try a model similar to what you mentioned, but they did a much worse job with the idea. 6 months off might have worked better. Given how many young people today apparently can't even watch a full movie, I do think the 15 minute soap is something that could be enjoyed and it's frustrating no one is trying.

Thanks. I could swear there was some mention of Kyle, although I don't want to go back and look.

I think it depends on how those hopes are handled. If they involve deranged or entitled behavior, then I think it's bad. Otherwise, I don't. After all, many would have said a new soap ever being made was false hope and an unrealistic possibility.

I'd never heard of this pilot, but Anne Sward pops up a few times as mother of the bride, a spin on that part which gives her a fun moment or two (mainly near the end of the episode). I kept trying to figure out if the lead's stripper girlfriend is Yvonna Kopacz but...I don't think so?

I would also enjoy a diverse soap, but unfortunately, I don't think it will be in this country. BtG probably got in just under the wire.

It's not a direct comparison as much as I would say a cautionary tale of seeing old soaps as too much of a part of the past rather than a gateway to the future. Realistically, none of those shows will return - even that AMC movie is a reach - but I think letting the idea stay out there to possibly happen is a good thing for the genre, and the old fans who may struggle to connect with what is being made today but haven't totally moved on yet.

Moving this as my reply wouldn't be on topic for the BtG thread. @Contessa Donatella Now, about telling other fans that it is unlikely that classic soaps will be rebooted. Here I am not prepared to be criticized. For years I have told fans this is unlikely & I have given reasons. In like fashion I have explained why very successful classic soaps are so expensive to prepare them for streaming. IOW, so many episodes, etc. For example the only reason PC would be more accessible than GH is the total number of episodes involved. Back to telling fans "unlikely". These fans are stuck. The past is too enticing. Whether AW or GL or AMC & not only because of nostalgia they are just in love with what they had & it prevents them from moving on. So telling them it's not gonna happen, was the right thing! Now, I am talking quite a lot about a possible soap renaissance. And, I say, "A rising tide lifts all boats." That is because I see BTG as - maybe if we're lucky - a facilitator not a competitor. I don't agree - I think fans can still wish their old soaps would return and argue why they should and still support a current soap. If they say they will not watch a new soap or make snide remarks about a new show because they are angry over the old shows (as some soap 'journalists' did with Prospect Park's OLTL and AMC reboots) that's one thing and should be criticized. I think going too much into how it's never going to happen would take us not far off from where people like Moonves and Frons were in the late '00s and early '10s, acting like the soap genre as a whole was gone.

I may be wrong, but I thought they killed him off in the early '00s as Ben inherited his money.

@Vee Thompson was also trying to play "gotcha" with some of the "centrist" Democratic accounts who had criticized him by showing them his book. I'm sure everyone is in awe of a book 3 people will buy. Astead is giddily retweeting the time Trump tweeted him years ago, Conor Sen is fuming over a centrist account pointing out that no one gives a [!@#$%^&*] (beyond the same Beltway figures on Twitter) about the book or his claim that Democrats are in the same place Republicans were after the Iraq War failures, etc. These people did so much to get Trump back in office and will do anything to avoid talking about the atrocities they have created.

Lisa did join ATWT the same year she left GL, but I don't know if Michael Tylo would have wanted to stay on and I know Lisa and Michael both said no one after Marland understood Quint and Nola. I am not sure how things went with Greg at GL, but I don't think he was ever known as easy to work with. The only time I remember GL mentioning Kyle again is when they killed him off in the early '00s.

Sorry to hear he's gone. He was such a handsome man and a good actor too, even if Kenny was never a great part. I wish I had seen more of his work on Y&R.

James Houghton Dead: ‘Knots Landing’ Star Was 75 Looks like he died last August. Kenny was never much of a part, but James was a beautiful man and did what he could with the role. Sorry to hear of his passing.

If Leo isn't in the scene with Marlena, then yes, I would doubt Ron's involvement.

They should have just had the John material in the promo. The rest looks very cheap (and as always, "hot" RSW has all the sex appeal of a turnip).

As @Mitch64 has mentioned, Long/Kobe did seem to give the Reardons story, and in some ways may have improved the family (I find them tedious and find Tony borderline unwatchable in much of the Marland material), but then they all leave. I guess a lot is down to actor departures, other than Lee Lawson. Unfortunately, other than the Lewises, the replacements are extremely dull and hollow.

I like that idea. I just wonder what they would treat as rural in today's soap world, or TV world. That and they are odes to violence and gore and some kind of cliche struggle of "real Americans." It's hard to know how they would translate to daytime, but if it gets another soap on the air I'd try it.

If we should just start an obscure TV thread instead of placing some shows here, I will, but for now I thought some might be interested in having another show to talk about with ratings. An episode of Our Family Honor. The channel may upload more. A ton of soap names in this as well - Ray Liotta, Michael Woods (I'm guessing he may have left GL for this show), Sheree J. Wilson, Georgann Johnson.

You're probably right, although I think the buzz is in part just because it's the first soap to premiere in over 25 years, and it would still have that buzz even if it were tied to an old show. I agree with those who think the most we will get of old soaps is that AMC movie if it ever actually happens, but a revival of Edge, or, as @Paul Raven said, a show going back to GL's original premise, I could also see working. The only way for daytime to survive is to get new viewers, but a majority of the viewers are always going to be those who were around in the past. If they could find a way to combine both worlds for some future soaps, I wish they could try. Of course, I know that's jumping the gun and just keeping this show on is what matters most for the time being.

@Vee I do think GL and Edge (and maybe OLTL) are all shows that could be revived today due to the core of the show and how easily it still translates today (maybe even more because you don't have to worry as much about pleasing old fans), but in case anyone says no that won't happen, I'm aware. Still, it's always something I'd hope for.

Some of the beauty shots from this era are glorious, if not for the intended reasons. I don't know if you've ever seen the one that is just Jessie talking with her puppet.