Wouldn't there still be a backlash if Eric or Brady died instead of Will? Though not to this extent.

I still think Will would've been killed off even with Chandler in the role and if he were straight and also if Freddie stayed.

I cannot imagine they would have killed Will with Chandler still there.  Even if I didn't always like him I know he was super popular and an Emmy winner that got the show positive attention.

 

Sonny leaving didn't help Guy for sure.

 

Guy sucked, they were cutting their losses, and needed an important victim.  I hope they invest in Paul.  And if they want to stay modern, one of the new teens should be LGBT.

How is Dena anti-gay if she created Sonny?!

Dena didn't create Sonny. She just chose to make him gay or so she claims. For all we know, it could've been Whitesell or Corday's doing. And I don't think anyone has accused her of being anti-gay. I think people are pissed b/c gay characters were used stunts and now that Corday wants to clean house, they are the ones to go. I can think of about tons of people that should've been killed before Will and still made the same impact on the canvas. *coughs* Jennifer *coughs*

 

I said I felt she wrote an anti-gay story at OLTL. I didn't mean that I felt she was anti-gay in her own life, if that's how it comes across. I have no idea about any of these people, unless they go pimp out Chick Fil A on their Twitter. Maybe she won't have the same material on DAYS she did on OLTL. It's just hard for me to give the benefit of the doubt after that Coulson story on OLTL.

Oh.

Don't feel bad for what you say. You didn't mean any malice and I think you make valid points. And Dena is a hack and the Coulson story was sh-t and offensive to a lesser extent, so it's all good. But Dena is known for devising crap that either makes you raise an eyebrow or feel offended. Take Theo's autism story (or lack thereof) for instance. IMO, she devised that story b/c it was a hot topic in the media (and her child suffers from it too so she claims), but it fell flat and went nowhere. There were tons of fans that felt that she did an injustice to that story as well. 

Good lord, can we move on already from Will being killed off bc he's gay? I feel like that topic has been exhausted and people are going around in circles at this point

 

 

The EJ reveal happened too soon. I was hoping Sami would grieve for Will for a bit more and have that come at least until after the funeral. Now her head is going to be in a completely different place and Im not sure this is the direction they should have gone in.

 

I dont like Mumbles as Roman but his grandson has been dead for a week and they couldnt put him on screen for that? Sami needed both her parents

Do you want me to buy this for you for Christmas?  I will!

http://www.amazon.com/Positive-Thinking-Reverend-Norman-Vincent/dp/8087888235

Edited October 16, 201510 yr by Cheap21

I hope someone called Carrie and Austin!

Yes, I hope they appear for the funerall .... off-screen.

I really think many of you are way too focused on why Will was killed off. It's not some anti-gay agenda. I just don't think that was it at all. Guy Wilson sucked, they saw an opportunity with Will being connected to nearly the entire canvas, and took it. I don't think there was as much thought as ya'll are putting into it.

 

I don't think we needed Eve and Eduardo today. Guess Kate and Nicole and Eric put in their cameos and now we wait weeks again to see them.

Thank you! 

I really think many of you are way too focused on why Will was killed off. It's not some anti-gay agenda. I just don't think that was it at all. Guy Wilson sucked, they saw an opportunity with Will being connected to nearly the entire canvas, and took it. I don't think there was as much thought as ya'll are putting into it.

 

I don't think we needed Eve and Eduardo today. Guess Kate and Nicole and Eric put in their cameos and now we wait weeks again to see them.

Thank you! 

Welcome!

Good lord, can we move on already from Will being killed off bc he's gay? I feel like that topic has been exhausted and people are going around in circles at this point

 

 

The EJ reveal happened too soon. I was hoping Sami would grieve for Will for a bit more and have that come at least until after the funeral. Now her head is going to be in a completely different place and Im not sure this is the direction they should have gone in.

 

I dont like Mumbles as Roman but his grandson has been dead for a week and they couldnt put him on screen for that? Sami needed both her parents

Do you want me to buy this for you for Christmas?  I will!

http://www.amazon.com/Positive-Thinking-Reverend-Norman-Vincent/dp/8087888235

Yes, I'm ready to move on from it.

 

And LOL at the gif

Wouldn't there still be a backlash if Eric or Brady died instead of Will? Though not to this extent.

I still think Will would've been killed off even with Chandler in the role and if he were straight and also if Freddie stayed.

I cannot imagine they would have killed Will with Chandler still there.  Even if I didn't always like him I know he was super popular and an Emmy winner that got the show positive attention.

 

Sonny leaving didn't help Guy for sure.

 

Guy sucked, they were cutting their losses, and needed an important victim.  I hope they invest in Paul.  And if they want to stay modern, one of the new teens should be LGBT.

 

All of this

I think Vee had some good points. Basically, Ken Corday likes to play with new toys when he's tired of the old ones. And he loves to make himself the hero whenever he fires a writer or producer.

I agree with this too, 100%

Wow @ Sami literally running out on Sonny while he's blatantly upset and when he'd obviously come specifically to see her

I miss Billy Flynn - I hope Chad isn't stuck in that coma for much longer 

Seems like all on Sami's mind now is EJ and that damn letter. 

I do wonder if this whole thing was a compromise for Alison after being angry over Will

I really hope Andre wrote that and is messing with her.

Edited October 16, 201510 yr by cassadine1991

How is Dena anti-gay if she created Sonny?!

Dena didn't create Sonny. She just chose to make him gay or so she claims. For all we know, it could've been Whitesell or Corday's doing. And I don't think anyone has accused her of being anti-gay. I think people are pissed b/c gay characters were used stunts and now that Corday wants to clean house, they are the ones to go. I can think of about tons of people that should've been killed before Will and still made the same impact on the canvas. *coughs* Jennifer *coughs*

I'm not gonna start the gay discussion again, but I just wanted to say that Whitesell had already been fired when Sonny showed up.

My suspicion is that Dena Higley is ambivalent about gay stories at best. As for Corday, I doubt he is a raging homophobe or anything, not in the world he lives in. But the fact is that DAYS has had, for many years, a very strong religious identity, especially in the Reilly years, and it sometimes connected with an audience base through that. (I suspect if the uber-religious Reilly was still alive, and I'm glad he's not, he would never, ever have executed a gay storyline of any kind without some element of self-loathing or 'secret shame.')

 

DAYS positioned itself for many years as the soap with a religious undercurrent. It's done a lot less of that in recent years, but I am sure that was part of the consideration when they looked at their numbers this time around and how the gay storylines affected that. That still doesn't make it acceptable. I think it was a business decision based largely on Corday's flightiness, his fear of their numbers, and yes, in part, his concern about losing that cultural identity and that segment of the shrinking and still super-conservative audience base. I don't think he's Ellen Wheeler ready to go to work for Glenn Beck (and I always had heard stories about her attitude re: the lesbian storyline on GL, dating back to it when it was on-air). I just think he's casually careless and too afraid of bucking his soap's traditionalist image.

I hate how they've managed to turn Sami's attention to freakin EJ, the week she finds out her son was murdered.

Happy to see Rafe's not really buying Ben's bullshit.

I'm going on what was said in the spoiler thread. If it's wrong, my apologies. 

 

And no, I'm not blaming DAYS for anyone else's decisions. What confuses me is that people seem adamant to believe absolute none of this can be about fear or reluctance to have any major gay characters or stories involving gay characters. And when people not only say this isn't the case, but act like it's weird or shocking to even speculate that this was down to cleaning out gay characters, then I'm going to bring up past incidents to remind that it's not uncommon. That doesn't have to mean it is the case here, or that it will always be the case. In six months or a year, it may not be the case at all. They may have more material for gay characters beyond being a rarely seen supporting character or being strangled to death onscreen. As of right now, they don't, and I can only speculate on what is known right now.

 

Do I blame Ken Corday or anyone at DAYS for the callous treatment at gay characters in primetime or movies, or on ATWT or Y&R or OLTL or AMC? No. I don't even blame them for their own past poor treatment of these issues with the whole Sally Stark thing, as I know that was nearly 40 years ago.

 

Do I think you have to be homophobic or have an "agenda" to phase out gay characters or kill off gay characters knowing it will get more attention? Not necessarily, no. 

 

Do I think Dena Higley has a history of anti-gay stories? Yes. 

 

Do I think this firing and the way that they are treating gay characters is at least partly down to not seeing gay characters as anything but a burden or a passing fad? Yes. 

 

If people don't feel that way, it's fine. But it's not exactly outrageous or out of the realm of possibility to speculate or assume that is part of their motive, and yet it's called unreasonable and reaching and in some cases treated as unspeakable, as if Vee and me and whoever else are calling for boycotts and picketing the studio.

And the person who dropped it in the spoiler thread alias me is ALSO going off the interview which I do believe is in the same column as yours. (not you, DWR)

Kill off Roman or Abe or Kate or Nicole.  All expendable and don't carry as much baggage.  In fact, Kate would have been great.  Even tho the actress is good, it's time. 

 

Kate is too valuable a commodity to kill off.    She is such a great character that they can plug into any story opposite young and old alike, and she provides story for everyone.  

Edited October 16, 201510 yr by quartermainefan

^^^^THIS.

 

Oh, Stefano, what are you planning?

 

Caught up on the rest of the week.

 

I can just watch the interplay between Marlena and Sami forever. I was watching today's episode and I could not help but think...'yes, this. This is what is missing from soaps. Family interaction with all of its potential drama.' They were there for each other and yet they had so much conflict due to their history. Loved it.

 

Again with Eric and the drinking. And again hinting at his feelings about not being able to help Nicole with the re-emergence at Basic Black. So are they going to make Eric into an alky so that Nicole can potentially save him from himself?

 

RSW is definitely doing a great job. How do I know? I really, really want to hit him upside his head.

 

Meh on John's plot. I like that it is going somewhere and Paul is there and John had a plan, but too slow for now. C plot.

 

In fact, I felt that the other plots coming back felt contrive to what the A story was this week (serial killer/Will's death). The new writers have been great at having an A story so far since they came on with B/C plot side by side without it feeling...jarring(?). But this week...while great in A story...not so much with how the B and C plot moved.