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Hayden Panettiere has passed away at 36.

Just horrible. Poor Mary.

I feel like they are trying to make them the modern day Winters brothers, and it ain't panning out. Both of them are boring. Love them, but they are boring. Jacob's cop story totally fell to the wayside. I take it b/c MVJ didn't want Joey on the canvas so fast after it became apparent that Joey/Vanessa had chemistry. If they toss Izaiah in Hayley's orbit and put Hayley and Eva at odds, that might make Izaiah interesting. Again, he should've been made an unapologetic, social climbing sl*t. I think the show's primary issue is that we have half the characters being characters who we love. We have a small fraction (Eva/Hayley/Leslie/Joey) of characters who we love to hate. But we have a fraction of characters who we just hate (Tomas/Ashley/Derek/Izaiah) because they are underdeveloped.

@DRW50 @Vee @vetsoapfan @MichaelGL @Paul Raven This little soap nugget got uploaded the other day

I do agree that there is too much praise of the Dupree family. Any great soap first family has opposition and Leslie ain't enough. I am hoping that the budget gets expanded over the next year, so they can add a rival family to Fairmont Crest. They can easily just give Anastasia (the country club gossip) family. Again, I think Derek just needs to be re-routed and he'll be fine. Put him alongside Jacob and out of Ashley's orbit and he'll be fine. To me, Ashley is the worst character and should've been the first on the chopping block. The potential could be there, but I don't see them expanding on it. I find her to be a drip of a character and Jen Jacobs is not the strongest actress. I don't mind Tomas. He's a classic, model-esqe soap actor with little ability. I feel like Tomas could be more interesting much like Ashley if they possibly did a personality shift on him. Both characters are one note and saccharine. If Tomas was a social climbing sl*t and owned it, he'd be more endearing.

Good. I am glad he's finally contract as he was wasted on GH. And I agree that Shanice needs to be upgraded, too, if not. I do feel bad for the actor who plays Derek as he wasn't horrible. His character is just boring and is isolated as a fire fighter. IDK why MVJ didn't make him Jacob's partner. And Derek had great chemistry with Shanice. But whatever.

Love this. Just masterful. I think this is what I was hoping to capture by doing this thread. AI can give you the foundation, but a good writer had to go in and still fill in the blanks.

@Maxim I share your apprehension (too) about AI. I do think that it can be used by lazy ass writers to at least get the bare bones of their story and then do the rest of the job of filling in the holes and adding the human emotion. For instance, Brad and Josh could easily ask AI the same question I did and use it to inspire or enhance their own stories. I agree that you can tell an AI response from a human response because it lacks emotion, which is where I think a lot of people go wrong when they are using it to compose documents, etc. As I tell everyone, you still have to go in and add emotion to whatever AI devises. Yes, it cuts down the time to do stuff, but you still have to feed it information and train it.

I am on the fence as I think AI can do a lot, but of course, it has to be human fed first. From these "what-if" situations, I am seeing AI devise better stories than Josh Griffith and Brad Bell have composed in 25 years. My point of this thread goes back to my comment in another thread where I said we'd be better having AI devise long story at this point instead of those two. What it is churning out is more compelling.

We only did that scenario because @DRW50 said he'd be interested to see if AI could handle old, classic stories that never happened basically. It's a "what-if_ situation like all these prompts.

I think it pulled from Lemay's "Eight Years in Another World" around the time he wanted to tell the story (which I need to re-read to confirm), which AI is saying 1975 (as @DRW50 pointed out). I did tell AI to reference the book and the Another World Homepage, too. With AI, if you feed it information or tell it where to pull resources from, it'll do so. I am learning more about it as my job slightly encourages us to use AI at times.

Did a scenario using the current B&B Katie v. Brooke pending story and I said: "Can you now devise a long story on Bold and the Beautiful where Katie Logan opens a rival fashion house against Forrester Creations? Brooke and Katie need to be at odds. Donna need to be torn between the battling sisters. And how will it affect her marriage with Eric? And Brooke's children (Hope, Rick, RJ, and Jack) need to be involved. What sides will they choose? How will it affect Will and Electra? Steffi? Ivy? Carter? Eric? How will the return of Amber impact everything? What side will she choose? Will be a mole? Don't forget Bill Spencer needs to be heavily involved, pulling the strings and ensuring Logan fashion house excels. In true B&B fashion, the story needs to be filled with double-crossing, intrigue, and sex. We want to recapture classic Bold and the Beautiful but it needs to be modern." AI said... This is the kind of high-stakes, glamorous warfare that The Bold and the Beautiful was built on. To make it modern, we move away from simple boardroom bickering and into a full-scale "Logan Civil War." Here is the blueprint for the storyline: "The Logan Legacy: Divided We Fall." The Catalyst: The "Forgotten" LoganAfter years of being the moral compass at Forrester Creations, Katie Logan is passed over for a leadership role in favor of Steffy and RJ. Feeling invisible, Katie finds an unlikely ally in Bill Spencer. Fueling her fire, Bill offers her the ultimate revenge: "Logan Luxe," a rival fashion house backed by the Spencer billions. He doesn't just want Katie to succeed; he wants to dismantle the Forrester dynasty brick by brick. The Lines Are DrawnThe Rivalry: Brooke vs. KatieBrooke views Katie’s move as the ultimate betrayal of the family and Eric’s legacy. The Conflict: Brooke tries to "big sister" Katie into folding, but Katie snaps. The rivalry turns personal when Katie lures Forrester’s top model—and Brooke’s youngest son—Jack Marone, to be the face of the Logan Luxe Men’s Line. The Intrigue: To get back at Katie, Brooke begins a secret flirtation with Bill, testing if his loyalty is to the "new" Katie or his "classic" obsession with Brooke. The Heart: Donna and EricDonna is the "Lady of the Mansion," but her life becomes a nightmare. The Marriage: Eric is devastated. He views Logan Luxe as an attack on his life's work. When Donna is caught leaking a Forrester sketch to Katie (out of pity), Eric kicks her out of the mansion. The Fallout: Donna finds herself living in a Spencer penthouse, effectively becoming Katie’s reluctant spy, though her heart is still in Eric’s bed. The Next Generation: Picking SidesTeam Logan Luxe (Katie): * Jack Marone: Wants to step out of the Forrester/Marone shadow. Rick Logan: Returns from Paris with a grudge. He’s tired of Ridge’s kids running the show and becomes Katie’s ruthless CEO. Will Spencer: Working alongside his father, Will uses his tech brilliance to sabotage Forrester’s digital runway launch. Team Forrester (Brooke/Ridge): RJ Forrester: Loyal to his father’s design legacy, RJ is heartbroken to be designing against his aunts. Hope Logan: Torn. She hates the fighting, but when Katie’s line starts outselling Hope for the Future, the "Logans against Logans" battle turns Hope into a "Dark Logan" who will do anything to stay on top. The Wild Cards: Amber, Steffy, and IvyThe Return of Amber MooreRick brings Amber Moore back to Los Angeles to lead the design team for Logan Luxe. The Mole: Amber is technically working for Katie, but she’s secretly sleeping with Carter Walton. The Double-Cross: Carter, feeling undervalued by the Forresters, is tempted to join Logan Luxe. Amber uses their "intense" physical connection to siphon legal secrets from Forrester. But is she loyal to Rick, or is she playing her own game to become the new matriarch? The Steffy & Ivy FactorSteffy is in "full CEO mode," viewing the Logans as a "cancer" that finally cut itself out of Forrester. She aligns with Ivy Forrester, who returns to bring the jewelry division back to the forefront. Steffy and Ivy use the chaos to try and push Brooke out of Forrester entirely, leading to a physical confrontation in the design office involving a champagne bucket and silk organza. The "B&B" Twist: Sex and SabotageThe Secret Affair: Amidst the corporate war, Will Spencer and Electra (who is supposed to be loyal to Forrester) begin a torrid, forbidden romance. They meet in the Spencer gym and Forrester sauna, trading trade secrets for kisses. The Sabotage: The night before the "Logan Luxe" debut at the Beach Club, someone slashes the entire collection. Katie blames Brooke; Brooke blames Amber; but the cameras show a mysterious figure in a Spencer hoodie. The Climax: The Duel of the RunwaysThe story culminates in a "Simultaneous Runway" event. Bill Spencer buys the lot directly across from Forrester Creations and sets up a transparent tent. As the models walk, Bill pulls the ultimate string: He reveals he has acquired a 51% stake in the building that houses Forrester Creations. He isn't just Katie's backer—he is now Eric and Ridge's landlord. He threatens to evict Forrester unless Brooke spends one night with him at the Spencer estate.

OK. I did another scenario. Here's what I asked: "Can you devise a soap storyline for As the World Turns had it still continued? How about a poignant love triangle between Lisa Miller, John Dixon, and Lucinda Walsh. Can we also add a widowed Don Hughes back in the mix, too? Kim and Bob Hughes, who are close friends to Lisa have to be involved somewhat too." What Gemini devised: If As the World Turns were still on the air in 2025, Oakdale would be buzzing with the arrival of its most legendary titans. To make this work, we lean into the rich history of these characters—their rivalries, their shared losses, and that undeniable spark that never quite goes out. Here is a pitch for a storyline titled: "The Oakdale Autumn." The Premise: A Legacy at StakeThe story begins with the 90th Anniversary of Memorial Hospital. A gala is being thrown, and the guest list is a "who’s who" of Oakdale history. However, the celebration is a facade; a mysterious conglomerate is attempting a hostile takeover of both the hospital and Walsh Enterprises. The PlayersThe Matriarch: Lisa Miller, still the undisputed queen of the Oakdale. The Rival: Lucinda Walsh, sharper than ever but facing a rare moment of professional vulnerability. The Rogue: Dr. John Dixon, returning from "retirement" in Switzerland with a secret. The Soul: Don Hughes, returning to Oakdale after the passing of his wife, seeking a quiet place to heal. The Storyline: "The Last Waltz"1. The Unexpected ReturnThe gala is in full swing when Don Hughes walks in. He’s grieving and looking for the comfort of his brother, Bob, and sister-in-law, Kim. Kim immediately senses that Don is adrift. She suggests he stay at the Hughes’ guest house, but Lisa, ever the opportunist, insists he stay in the Penthouse at the Lakeview "on the house." 2. The Triangle IgnitesJohn Dixon arrives shortly after, claiming he’s back to "save the hospital" from the takeover. He immediately gravitates toward Lisa—their chemistry is as volatile as ever. However, he discovers that Lucinda is the one who secretly funded his return to help her fight the corporate raiders. The Conflict: Lucinda and John share a "battle-hardened" bond; they understand each other’s ruthlessness. But John has always had a soft spot for Lisa’s vulnerability, and Lisa has always been John's greatest "what if." The Twist: Lucinda realizes that to win John’s full loyalty, she has to dismantle his lingering feelings for Lisa. She begins a subtle campaign to push Lisa toward the newly widowed (and very wealthy) Don Hughes. 3. The Hughes InterventionBob and Kim find themselves in the middle. Bob is worried about Don’s heart; he knows Lisa Miller is "weather" that Don might not be prepared for in his fragile state. Kim’s Role: Kim acts as the bridge. She confronts Lucinda about her manipulations, leading to a classic "battle of the blondes" scene in the Lakeview lounge. Kim tells Lucinda: "You can buy companies, Lucinda, but you can't manage human hearts." The Climax: A Night at the LakeviewAt a private dinner, the four icons collide. John is jealous of the "old-fashioned" comfort Don provides Lisa. Lisa is torn: Does she want the excitement and danger of John Dixon, or the steady, honest love of a man like Don Hughes? Lucinda realizes she might actually be falling for John herself, complicating her cold-blooded business plan. The storyline would culminate in a high-stakes board meeting where the future of Oakdale is decided, not just by stock options, but by which alliance holds true.

When I read it and got to the end, that final line just got to me. It would make sense that Michael would have to be written off in due time due to time the story would've occurred, and I could totally picture Lemay giving Michael a subtle yet happy ending for the audience to interpret. Minus the Iris hiccup, I am stunned that it mapped a story as good as it did. I don't think it caught it either, but that's something that could be easily tweaked by feeding Gemini more information and why Iris wouldn't be the best choice. Wouldn't Molly Ordaway be better? Didn't she and Michael get involved at once? At least I thought I heard it in the clip where Olive and Liz locked horns before Liz spoke to John.

I do wish we got more Scott and Kip, but now that you all mapped it out, it was the perfect mini-escape from Hollanov and it helped transitioned their story from lust to love.