Members YRfan23 Posted October 12, 2014 Members Share Posted October 12, 2014 She does sound bitter, but I can't argue that she's wrong......I know Y&R has a history of "strong" woman, but in some ways I always feel like men had to always rule out over the women as far as Bell was concern..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted October 12, 2014 Author Members Share Posted October 12, 2014 (edited) The thing with Y&R women at the show's peak wasn't that they were strong, it's that they were complex and fascinating - glittering, jagged edges. You look at Katherine during the blackmail photos story - she's absolutely pathetic. A bitter failure drowning herself in booze and revenge to try to recapture what she never had. This was riveting to watch. When Katherine was "strong" in later years, she was often boring and forgettable outside of Jeanne's performance. Of course you can write strong women who are also complex and tragic, and I do think he did this with Liz. I don't think Bill Bell was the greatest writer ever for women, and I imagine in 1977, compared to shows like Ryan's Hope, or the other ABC soaps, or Guiding Light, his women may have seemed antiquated, but it's just that he was a very stylized writer. I tend to wonder if she felt that way because Jennifer was consistently written as the family burden. Edited October 12, 2014 by DRW50 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chris B Posted October 12, 2014 Members Share Posted October 12, 2014 And where she says Stuart hasn't done anything wrong, the men were also window dressing from what I've seen of those days. The women absolutely carried the show while the men were basically props to help further their stories. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members YRfan23 Posted October 12, 2014 Members Share Posted October 12, 2014 (edited) Jeanne Cooper causing an all female brawl to happen in a scene from the 1962 movie "House of Women" along with Connie Ford.... guess we know how she was able to tolerate all those catfights with Jill...haha ) Edited October 12, 2014 by YRfan23 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted October 14, 2014 Author Members Share Posted October 14, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M63TIa0iFiY&list=UUMzfXBdkJBnz14rGTDBnVDw&index=1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members YRBB Posted October 14, 2014 Members Share Posted October 14, 2014 Sweet Jesus & all that is Holy in this world.... :wub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyCKcZ-BBuM 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members YRfan23 Posted October 14, 2014 Members Share Posted October 14, 2014 I have the full episode if you go back a few pages... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Faulkner Posted October 14, 2014 Members Share Posted October 14, 2014 Beth Maitland is really beautiful. Only in a soap world would that be considered the "ugly duckling." Granted, the show often styled her to look dumpy and BM played Traci's insecurities to the hilt, but she's really gorgeous there, even with the unbelievably smokin' Don Diamont in her midst. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SoapDope Posted October 14, 2014 Members Share Posted October 14, 2014 Thanks for the posts. The Jill/Dina scene is priceless. I wonder if Jerry Douglas and Brenda were getting along behind the scenes at this point ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members YRBB Posted October 14, 2014 Members Share Posted October 14, 2014 Still making my way through all the episodes, so hadn't seen those scenes! Thanks for all the posts, I hope more are coming again soon Jill v Dina is so much fun. I think I have Brenda Dickson's first scene back & it was with Dina. I'll try to get around to posting it one day when I finally get a new computer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members YRfan23 Posted October 15, 2014 Members Share Posted October 15, 2014 Here's the episode again in case you didn't see it. ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members kalbir Posted October 15, 2014 Members Share Posted October 15, 2014 IIRC, this is when Traci became pregnant with Colleen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted October 17, 2014 Author Members Share Posted October 17, 2014 September 19, 1998 Soap Opera Magazine 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members amybrickwallace Posted October 18, 2014 Members Share Posted October 18, 2014 God rest Michelle Thomas...taken away too young. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members YRfan23 Posted October 18, 2014 Members Share Posted October 18, 2014 She sort of reminds me of Mishael Morgan in that picture....it's sad looking at that photo knowing her time was running out 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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