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    • Yeah it is. There seems to be some contention about that. But Brett Halsey isn't mentioned as joining the show until August 1980. John Abbott first appeared in May 1980. While cast change news was sometimes late, it rarely took several months. I also read somewhere (and I have forgotten where) that Sean Garrison was indeed John Abbott #1.    @Paul Raven Just found it from Aug 10, 1980    
    • Sean Garrison? Is that the John Abbott seen in the Bond Gideon clip posted online? I assumed he was atemp and that Brett Halsey was the original John. He was the actor mentioned when John was first announced.
    • Oh sorry my mistake. Broderick seems to have done a better job than I could of mapping that all out.   Only thing I can add. It seems Sean Garrison and Bond Gideon were both replaced before Terry Lester came on the show. Deborah Adair is first mentioned in a July 31, 1980 article, Lester's first air date was Jul 22, 1980. Both John and Jill are MIA from synopsis for a couple weeks prior to Jack's arrival. Not 100% sure but it seems most likely Brett and Deborah were in place along with Terry in July.   After John left town around March 1981 and Jill quit Jabot, Jack is barely mentioned. Outisde of the stuff with Peggy, Lester didn't really get much story again until Jill returned to Jabot and Jack and Jill began dating which would lead to his involvement with Patty and the eventual sexual harrassment suit by Jill.   
    • As always, I'll defer to anyone else who's got a better memory, or who's read the recaps, but here are MY dim recollections.   Yes, I believe Terry Lester was hit-and-miss for a while during his first two years.  I'm not sure if it was because of Bell's uncertainty about Jack's storyline, or if it was because of the Patty Williams recast (Tammy Taylor to Lilibet Stern), or if it was because of the sudden departure of Brett Halsey as John Abbott.   When the Jabot storyline began, it played pretty heavily with Jack and John as the dysfunctional father/son, and Jill Foster as the mediator who tried to make Jack mature and grow up.   There were a lot of scenes with Jill confiding in her roommate (Eve Howard) that "I'm finding myself attracted to them both ---  father AND son," or something to that effect.   The backstory was also being carefully laid-out (the mother who'd abandoned the family several years earlier, the two daughters who were away at school, the younger daughter Traci being in an out-of-town boarding school, and the older daughter -- referred to as "Tiffany" at the time -- being away at college.  I got the impression that we were on the verge of meeting both of the daughters at any minute, although it was actually almost two years later before they were finally cast.   Suddenly, inexplicably, Brett Halsey was GONE.  I don't know if he was fired, or if he just decided to leave.   This put a quick kabosh on the Jack/Jill/John triangle, with the explanation being that John Abbott saw Jill and Jack in bed together and suddenly decided to relocate to Jabot's (never-before-heard-of) "New York office".  None of this seemed planned.  It just seemed to be a sudden, abrupt necessity because of Halsey's unexpected departure.  This kind of left Terry Lester "stranded", with no real conflict in his relationship with Deborah Adair's Jill, and Brett Halsey gone entirely from the picture -- nothing at all to work with, basically.  Then suddenly Lilibet Stern was playing Patty Williams, and she was sitting around in an "Urban Cowboy"-type bar telling her friend Gretchen that she'd "feel more like a total woman" if she could "give herself fully" to a man like Jack Abbott.  Obviously this wasn't the original intention for the Patty Williams character when Tammy Taylor was cast, lol.   It seemed to be a REVISION in the original storyline, compensating for the abrupt end of the Jack/John/Jill triangle.   We also saw Peggy Brooks and Jack Abbott suddenly and unexpectedly be revealed as former classmates and old friends; THIS made sense but didn't seem planned in advance, either.   This aspect of Jack's character allowed him to stray into Peggy's storyline with Steve Williams, enabling Jack to bang her a few times, playfully telling her that since the virginal Steve wasn't willing to fornicate, Jack would be more-than-happy to satisfy her urges.   Patty was probably SUPPOSED to be with Danny Romalotti, but with Lilibet Stern, she played better with Terry Lester's Jack, and of course Pam Peters had good chemistry with Terry Lester, as well.  But it ALL seemed ill-planned and sporadic.   Deborah Adair's Jill continued working at Jabot, but then Jack fired her, and she initiated a sexual harrassment suit, and that didn't play long either.  Basically, then entire storyboard seemed to get derailed when Brett Halsey left, and didn't get back on track until the spring of 1982 when Jerry Douglas, Eileen Davidson, Beth Maitland and Marguerite Ray were all in place in their signature roles.   And of course Deborah Adair's Jill was sidelined for much of that time in a storyline with Andy Richards (Steven Ford), who was originally one of Nikki's boyfriends, but who defaulted over to Jill until a new John Abbott could be hired.   I've always been curious what was REALLY happening behind the scenes with the John Abbott character during this timeframe, and how it affected the planned storyline for Jill, Jack, and John.   And of course several years later, in the mid-1980s, Terry Lester became a fairly hot commodity, and had several nighttime pilots in the works, several small movie roles, and there was always a great danger that he would permanently leave the show.   His character had some "outs" in the mid-1980s as a result of that, but not as glaring as his early years where the storyline seemed to start/stop/get reworked so often.    Brenda Dickson definitely opted out IMMEDIATELY when the show expanded to an hour.  Matter of fact, her final script, from about 1/31/80 recently appeared on the boards here.   It had a pretty little typewritten coda at the end of the script from Bell or Alden that said something to the effect of, "Remember, today is Brenda's final day of taping.  Let's be sure we close the episode with a close-up of her.  We will show LIZ in the background climbing the stairs, but the camera will stay on JILL in honor of Brenda's final episode."   (That's not word-for-word, but it's close.)      John McCook also opted out, but for storyline purposes (or out of respect for Bell and Conboy), he stayed for a few weeks.  He definitely appeared in the hour show, but not for very long.   The storyline at the time was that Vanessa Prentiss had threatened to oust Lance from the CEO position at Prentiss UNLESS Lorie would agree to divorce Lance.  "The choice is yours, Lauralee," the old crone would hiss.  "Lance can have YOU as his wife, or he can have his position at Prentiss.  But he won't have BOTH!  I will see to that, my dear!"   Lorie made the (painful) decision to divorce Lance, but wouldn't tell him exactly why she was filing for divorce.   She shoulda said, "It's because of your god-awful old mama," but of course she didn't.  Instead, Lorie just flew to the Domican Republic and divorced Lance.  There was a TRADEMARK Bill Bell scene when Lorie got on the plane to get the divorce.   Lance was shown in the penthouse playing the piano and singing the first verse of "The Way We Were" .... "Memories light the corners of my mind; misty water-color memories of the way we were."     Then the camera panned to Jaime Lyn Bauer on the plane, and Lorie sang, "Scattered pictures of the smiles we left behind, smiles we gave to one another, of the way we were."  They did the whole song as a duet, with Lance in the penthouse on the piano and Lorie on the plane.   When the song ended, John McCook did a little flourish on the keyboard, and then started playing "Nadia's Theme", and the episode faded to black with Nadia's Theme tinkling on the piano.   That was pretty much THE END of John McCook as Lance.  (We used to laugh about this at my house, because I broke up with my little girlfriend about the same time, and my sister said, "Are you sure it's over??", and I said, "Hell, yeah, we sang THE WAY WE WERE, and the whole shooting match!"  lol.   McCook DID pop-up a few months later, just for a week or two, with a new fiancee named Simone.   This was to give complete closure to the Lorie/Lance relationship.   About a year later, Bill Bell decided he needed the Lance character back on the show, and I'm sure he reached out to John McCook, but got a no thanks.  So he cast that bland, dull Dennis Cole in the role, and that was truly the kiss of death for Lance.   Beau Kayzer also seemed to opt-out, but he stayed even longer than John McCook.   (I think Beau was a team player.)   Brock set-up his little law practice with Greg Foster, became involved in the defense of Cathy Bruder (who'd stolen Victor and Julia Newman's Rolls Royce and taken a joyride), became friendly with Julia, watched in horror as Victor became friendly with Lorie Prentiss, and then Beau exited not too much longer afterwards.  I think Beau probably just said, "Mr. Bell, I'll stay another 9 months", or whatever.  His entire storyline after the hour-format went into effect never seemed permanent, and Julia Newman was soon working at Jabot and paired with Michael Scott.   I expect Eric Braeden's character was being constructed ENTIRELY as the "German JR Ewing".  DALLAS was extremely popular in 1980, and JR Ewing was an awful character that the audience enjoyed tremendously.   Bill Bell gave Victor Newman a ranch, a trophy wife, a grouchy disposition, and a zillion dollars.   And Victor wore "Texas bow-ties".   He was clearly supposed to be daytime's JR Ewing.   Everything that JR Ewing did was later deemed forgivable, so I expect Bell knew we'd get over the dungeon and forgive Victor, just like we forgave JR.  lol.                      
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