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    • Mike from London 🇬🇧                   
    • Sara Bibel's Farewell to Springfield ...   http://www.fancast.com/blogs/deep-soap/deep-soap-farewell-springfield/   Well, I Called That One Wrong So, after my exhaustive denial of the Guiding Light cancellation hype (and calling my sources on the show who assured me that things were touch and go but they hadn’t heard anything), the show was cancelled today. So, TVWeek one million, fans of Guiding Light, zero. Maybe I was just in denial. Having spent time with the hardworking, optimistic cast and crew just a couple weeks ago, it seems surreal. The longest running soap in daytime is dead, just as started to regain new life creatively. It was, in the end, surely a business decision. I have always suspected that GL was secretly Barbara Bloom’s favorite CBS soap. I heard her excitement when she spoke of the show back in my days at Y&R. If Y&R was the class president, GL was the interesting underachiever who was struggling to turn her life around. Though it wasn’t always reflected on screen, in terms of promotion or budget, she kept the show on the air way longer than its ratings justified. She allowed Ellen Wheeler to experiment with a new production model so the show could stay on the air. Though fans, including me, grasped at straws, the show’s numbers in key demos were significantly lower than the other soaps. The recent improvements, and passionate Otalia fans, haven’t been reflected in the ratings. Unfortunately, it would probably have taken another year of improvement for viewers to notice. Affiliates didn’t help by airing the show in the morning in numerous markets. But most viewers gave up on the show during its first round of budget cuts when the cast was decimated and all the scenes took place in a Beacon Hotel room. They never came back. My history with GL goes back to the 90s when a college roommate introduced me to what I had always thought of as an old people’s soap. (Ah, that was part of the problem.) It was a great time for the show. The famous blackout week got me hooked. The writing was sophisticated. The acting was superb. It was, also, in retrospect, the beginning of the end. Soon after, Maureen Bauer, a character whose significance I didn’t yet understand, was killed. Most fans would pinpoint that moment as where the show went wrong. Cut out Springfield’s heart and its body will die. The show was still good for several years before it went through its disastrous attempt to mimic James Reilly’s DOOL with Clone Reva and time travel. I had high hopes for Dave Krezman’s reign as headwriter. Fans forget, but he started out strong with the potentially interesting revelation that Roger had a long lost son Sebastian and the introduction of Jonathan. U was thrilled that a young writer was given the chance to headwrite. I hoped it would revitalize the genre. Then the budget cuts happened. Perhaps a more experienced writer would have been able to handle them better. Numerous mistakes were made (cutting Ross and keeping Jeffrey?). The cuts don’t excuse the sloppy storytelling. But there were still reasons to keep watching. In fact, I’ll say that Jammy and Otalia were the only truly classic soap love stories of the past five years. The new production model was jarring. The show looked more like a freshman student film for the first six months of 2008. I found it impossible to sit through the jerky camera work and numerous scenes of people wandering through fields to the soundtrack of generic pop music. The audience was quite justified in giving up. If only they had known that it was finally safe to come back to Springfield. When I think of GL, I will remember the good times. The brilliant Patrick Mulcahey episodes that inspired me to pursue a career in daytime. The who-shot-Roger-Thorpe storyline that kept me guessing, and delivered a payoff. The unbridled joy of Frank and Eleni’s wedding. The tears I shed at the deaths of Maureen and Tammy. Beth Ehlers ability to sparkle opposite numerous leading men. Kim Zimmer’s one of a kind Reva Shayne baptizing herself the slut of Springfield. The sexiness of Rick Hearst’s Alan-Michael Spaulding, Paul Anthony Stewart’s Danny Santos and Tom Pelphrey’s Jonathan Randall. I will always treasure my more personal memories of interviewing Kim Zimmer twice, watching the show tape, and witnessing Ellen Wheeler’s passion for her job. The week began with the further collapse of the automobile industry. Now another American institution is dead. No other show has gone from radio to television to the internet, from fifteen minute black and white episodes to handheld digicams. The show transcended eras and trends. It was never the cool soap. It was the soap you watched with your family, arguing about what Reva was wearing and whether Roger Thorpe was worthy of sympathy. Even reading the show’s official press release, I’m still grasping at straws, hoping CBS decided to play a cruel April Fool’s Day prank. But the cold hard truth is, come September the light will turn out for good. And, a little piece of all its fans hearts will die with it.
    • Maybe Brett really was on first and Sean was a temp. Maybe Brett started and left pretty soon after for some reason. Might explain why John is MIA for a couple weeks after that June 1980 episode with Sean Garrison that was posted. Though normally Jon-Michael Reed would write about that sort of stuff. He normally loved those tid bits. SOD also doesn't mention Brett as joining the show until their Oct 14, 1980 issue, which is for July synopsis and has the first mention of Jack.    I felt pretty confident about Sean but now I am not so sure. A few people have stated pretty strongly that Brett was the first John and Sean was merely a temp. The other thing that I do find odd is normally if Brett was a recast, then it would generally be mentioned, but I can find no mention of Sean Garrison and they never refer to Brett as a recast anywhere    
    • Yes, Vee, my mileage does vary. My fandom & appreciation of Ellen Wheeler is not something that just covers her at AW/ATWT, AMC, B&B as actresses. It includes her as a Director & an EP, as well. As a lesbian who adored "Otalia" I don't hold it against EW that she is a Mormon. I think they set out to tell the story of two women of a certain age who fell in love with each other & not per se a gay tale. The show had to deal with Jess's pregnancy somehow & I did not find anything about their handling of it offensive. However, I understand completely that people have different views on this issue and I totally respect that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From an interview with Jane Elliot ...   WLS: What, in your mind, is your finest moment?   Jane Elliot: No question about it. "Guiding Light." The story [head writer] Doug Marland created for me was just so good and so rare. Thanks to Doug, I learned who I was as an actor. He stretched me. He pulled me. And I rose to the occasion. He made me look good and I made him look good. ... But, to play Carrie Todd, I had to go very, very deep. And it wasn’t just because of her madness. She was a fully fleshed out, fully realized character living a really rich life. It was a very complete role. And I loved playing opposite Jerry verDorn [Ross], the most generous actor I’ve ever worked with. It was a once in a lifetime thing and I knew it at the time. No 20/20 hindsight necessary."   ______________________________________________________________ From a Crystal Chappell Exit Interview ...   USTH:  The Otalia story on Guiding Light was very popular, but they didn’t show much physical affection between the two.  What were you told behind the scenes regarding what would and what would not be shown?  Also, where along the production line did this decision come from?  Ellen Wheeler?  P&G?  CBS? CC:  I was told there would be a physical relationship and I asked and was told yes.  This was in January 08, and I don’t know where the decision came from.  
    • I'll be damn.  I remember John Abbott's first scene pretty vividly, and I could've sworn the character was played by Brett Halsey from day one.   Bond Gideon's husband has posted that episode on-line where Sean Garrison is playing John.  I don't remember ever laying eyes on that dude until I saw Bond's clip, though.   On the show, Bond Gideon's Jill was working at this place called "Bob's Beauty Barn", or something like that; she *hated* it there.   Steve Williams gave her a little pep talk:  "You're pretty, you're smart, you know how to present yourself effectively, you don't have to work in a place that you hate."  Next thing we knew, Bond was prancing into the office of John Abbott --- evidently Jabot was so small that John Abbott personally did all the hiring? --- and she was impressing him enough so that he offered her a job.   I could've sworn that it was Brett Halsey who hired her.  But maybe not.  Maybe it was that Sean Garrison.  Pretty sure it was Brett Halsey though.   I'd really like to know what the deal was with Brett Halsey.  I've never heard anyone speculate why he was suddenly OUT as John Abbott, but his exit seemed to basically stunt the entire progression of the Abbott storyline for a solid year or more.  Which in hindsight was probably a blessing.  If the two daughters had been cast in 1981 instead of 1982, they'd have probably lasted six months instead of 38 years.   Nothing in 1981 seemed to stick.  Not the characters, not the actors, not the sets, nothing.  1981 was just a complete mess.  lol. 
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