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  1. I just read this 1975 interview with Labine and Mayer on one of the vintage soap tumblrs this week, and it states that they became the headwriters of Love of Life in September 1973, remaining with the show through May 1975.
  2. As @gimmetoo mentioned, the Crystal Palace opened in May 1980 when Randall was in the role - she'd been on the show for over a year at that point. It closed around February 1983, at which point Ilene had been back on the show for nearly a year. Your post did remind me of the great scene when Delia shared the dancefloor at the Crystal Palace with Michael Pavel at the New Year's Eve 1981 celebration, with frequent cutaways to both Kim and Rae watching and stewing: He was fine from what I've seen, but Steve Latham wasn't an especially interesting or complex character. He was mostly there to share love scenes with Robin Mattson's Delia and to try to convince her to leave her husband; we were never really presented with any sense of him outside his role in her story. It sounds like he became more explicitly nefarious at the end of his run with the revelation that Steve had a long history of seducing rich married women and then blackmailing them, but that happened within his last week or two on the show.
  3. Definitely agree with this, and I think it's one of the elements that made the Maggie/Roger/Delia triangle work so well. Both Delia and Maggie were trying to bring down a version of themselves before ultimately forging an uneasy peace. And while I love Ilene Kristen, I started watching the SoapNet reruns during Randall's time in the role, and I'll always have a major soft spot for her even if I acknowledge Ilene is the definitive actress in the part. According to the soap columns at the time, Randall Edwards was brought in as a temporary fill-in for Julie Ridley (either due to pregnancy or illness?). When Ridley chose not to return, they asked Edwards to remain in the role, but she declined (presumably for the same reason she left RH). To me it's hard to compare Robyn Millan to the others since she was around for such a short time (5 episodes). However, she did have the advantage that the writing for Delia was consistent in that period. The issue with Robin Mattson wasn't just that she was not the right fit as a performer, but the writing for the character also felt off-kilter during that period. Her Delia was disconnected from the character's history, and it didn't help that most of her story was with two actors who were also new to the show (Franz Luz and Harve Presnell, both of whom were jettisoned when Mattson opted not to renew her contract).
  4. Strangely enough, if the episodes posted on YouTube are any indication, they didn't run the full credits at all the final week the show was on the air - Claire Labine must have been really squeezing every second out of the airtime ABC allocated them. She debuted on June 15, 1984, and stayed with the show through early December. Here's two promos for her debut: There are three episodes featuring her on YouTube, from July 27, November 21, and November 22. The episodes posted by the freeflyur, shessoweet88, and MHTV PCNYSTATE accounts originated from a set of 80s RH tapes collected and distributed by a SoapNet poster named Wanda back around 2005, and that set actually included a bunch of episodes with RM as Delia from June and July 1984 (including her debut), but for whatever reason those have never made it to YouTube (perhaps the quality made them difficult to digitize). I used to have a set of them on VHS, but I'm pretty sure my parents junked them at some point--unfortunate as I would've tried to post them to YT myself otherwise. Not that this is saying anything new, but it's remarkable how divorced RM's Delia felt from what either Ilene Kristen or Randall Edwards brought to the role.
  5. They didn't alter that when Roscoe returned to the role in 1988, but it's my understanding that they dropped any references to Joe having undergone reconstructive facial surgery. I'm assuming they thought the inconsistency was worth it in order to wrap up the character's story with Roscoe back in the role. By the way @slick jones, my notes have Walt Willey appearing as Hawk on RH in 1985. David Purdham also appeared as Father Emmerich on RH in 1985, officiating the wedding of Siobhan Ryan and Max Dubujak. I'm not sure if he appeared in the intervening years, though.
  6. My impression from interviews with Claire Labine is that the Dirty Harry factor was really just a hangup among the higher ups at ABC and that they eventually won that battle, perhaps because he wasn't resonating as much with the audience as they would have liked.
  7. Sign me up as another fan of DHK, though the show got lucky with its Franks (at least post-Michael Hawkins). Geoff Pierson definitely imbued Frank with a good amount of pompousness and smugness, but in some ways I think that complements the idea of Frank as a driven political animal. That's the one area in which I never completely bought DHK, whereas Pierson I can see being the kind of guy confident enough to think that he can run for office over and over again despite the huge amounts of personal and political baggage that dog him. It's unfortunate that he was playing Frank at a time when the new regime decided to have Frank and Jill at each other's throats for the better part of 1984 and 1985, to the point that when I picture him during that period I just see him snarling at Nancy Addison about Maggie or Max. John Sanderford's characterization of Frank strikes me as being the closest to DHK. He imbued Frank with a warmth and charisma that was needed to make the part work, and he and Nancy Addison also had great chemistry. In hindsight, it's strange how the show seemed to make Frank more of an ensemble player around late 1986, though this is also around the time they made him a grandfather at age 34. Speaking of which, I've been using all this newfound time to revisit RH on YouTube, mostly picking and choosing episodes from different eras. I just finished re-watching a string of episodes from February through April 1988 (including those involving Johnny's hospitalization after a heart attack), and it was such a pleasure being reminded just how good Claire Labine's final run at the show was. Granted, the latter portion of Tom King and Millee Taggart's tenure brought some welcome developments like Delia's return and the set-up for Max Dubujak's merciful departure, but their run seems rather choppy and inconsistent, with lots of narrative islands that never entirely mesh into anything cohesive. Within a matter of months, Labine and her team had the show looking like its old self. Whereas the new generation (John Reid, Lizzie, Ben, Nancy Don, Ryan, etc.) could have easily consumed the show under a different writer, there's a lot of care to ensure that they're presented as part of the show's core families and their community. In some ways, this iteration of Riverside feels the most real and authentic. I'm trying to think of another soap that went out in such great shape, and I'm drawing a blank.
  8. The same Facebook account that has been posting episodes of Loving recently shared an episode of RH that originally aired on December 28, 1984: https://www.facebook.com/DaytimeTVPreservationSociety/videos/550670625576817/. This is from the tail-end of Pat Falken Smith's stint as headwriter, right before ABC moved her to General Hospital. This episode shows the set-up for two stories that would dominate the first half of 1985: the Maggie/Dave/Katie triangle and Sydney Price's death, which segues into Max Dubujak being put on trial for murder. It also features the climax of a brief arc in which Siobhan tracks down the Street Santa Slasher, which from reading the SOD recaps didn't have any real impact. As a side note, this is the first episode I'm seeing with Lee Godart (previously on EON and AMC) in the guest role of Andre St. Pierre, who (I believe) is one of Sydney's former associates from her days as Max's mistress in Paris. Also, Scott Holmes' Dave performs an early iteration of "Right from the Heart," which Johnny Mathis is then shown recording in April/May 1985. From all I've seen, 1984/1985 strikes me as RH at its nadir, but it's good to see new episodes online, particularly from periods of the show not already in circulation on YouTube. I've been revisiting a number of episode from throughout the show's run recently, and it's always so nice to return to it.
  9. Yeah, there was definitely a surprising paucity of black characters until the late 1980s. Minor recurring characters like Miriam George and Nell Carter's Ethel Green (and later "Flash," a worker at Greenberg's Deli) aside, the show didn't have a major black character until the introduction of Tracey Ross as Diana Douglas, a DA with whom Frank was involved while Jill was with Dakota Smith. Diana's father was against her involvement with a white man; once Frank reunited with Jill, Diana stuck around for a few months before being written out. The show also introduced Irving Allen Lee as Dr. Evan Cooper around the same time; he ran the Riverside Clinic with Pat and became involved with Chris Hannold (Lydia Hannibal). Neither one was especially prominent, though; after departing in 1988, they both returned for the final episode but didn't have any lines, which tells you a lot about how important they were to the show. I did love Tichina Arnold as Zena, though. She was great on her own but also played well off Michael Levin. Faith and Jill made up after Faith almost died during the Meritkara storyline. They remained close until the end of 1983. Jill moved back into the Coleridge house and brought Frank and John Reid with her, as well as her newly discovered mother Bess and half-sister Maggie. Understandably, Faith felt a bit suffocated, especially considering that it had been a kind of silent agreement among the Coleridge siblings that Faith had control over the majority of the brownstone, Roger's downstairs apartment aside. Faith ended up leaving without saying goodbye to either Jill or Pat (her last scenes were with Roger and Bob, who took her to the airport). Over the years, there were a lot of references to Faith that made it clear that she had reconciled with Jill; Pat also mentioned having spoken to her shortly before he married Melinda Weaver. When Faith returned during the last two weeks of the show, she got along fine with Roger and Jill. Mary: Definitely Kate Mulgrew. No one else came close, though Mary Carney was my favorite of the fauxMarys. Kathleen Tolan = worst recast the show ever had, easily. Delia: Ilene Kristen. I loved Randall (she was my first Delia) and everything she did with the character, but Ilene remains my favorite. She did some stellar dramatic work during her first stint and was great portraying the more comic Delia of the show's final years. Siobhan: Sarah Felder. After she left, the character really became watered down. Marg Helgenberger and Barbara Blackburn were both really good but didn't quite achieve the same heights as Felder. Ann Gillespie was mediocre. Carrell Myers was bland and forgettable. Pat: Malcolm Groome, whose Pat was one of my favorite characters. John Blazo and Robert Finoccoli were too wooden. Haven't seen enough of Patrick James Clarke to judge him. Nancy: Nana Visitor, though that's not saying much. I found every actress in this role forgettable and the Nancy/Pat relationship dull. Faith: Catherine Hicks, who was the only Faith I truly loved. I didn't have much of a problem with Karen Morris-Gowdy, who was admittedly icier than Hicks. Faith Catlin was painful and Nancy Barrett wasn't around long enough to make an impression. Frank: Daniel Hugh-Kelly, but this was a hard one to pick. Geoff Pierson and John Sanderford were virtually just as good, IMO. Sanderford had great chemistry with Nancy Addison. Andrew Robinson was fine but started out very wooden, though even in the beginning he wasn't nearly as bad as Michael Hawkins. Joe: Richard Muenz. I thought Roscoe Born was fine but I've only seen the first year of his run, when his character became too despicable for me to ever really care about. Michael Hennessy was a nonentity in the part, and Walt Willey just wasn't Joe.
  10. There definitely wasn't any heart to Smith's conception of the show. No one ever seemed happy and everyone was at everyone else's throats. I also hated the way she broke up Jack and Leigh after Labine set them up so beautifully together. Labine and Mayer had them face some obstacles before they were fired, but I loathed how Smith had Jack suddenly cheat on Leigh on an impulse (and then Leigh stayed on for another year and a half simply waiting to see if Jack would reunite with her). I can understand that, though I enjoyed the 1980-81 episodes (not to the same degree as what came before, but... ). There's not much out there from 1982, though it's essentially a continuation of what came before. 1983 was a banner year for the show -- the focus was squarely on the Ryans and Coleridges and the Charlotte Greer storyline was a classic. 1984 and 1985 were both pretty horrendous and don't have much in the way of compelling storylines (though I did find the Dakota storyline intriguing, and that began in October 1985). Things really did pick up once Ilene Kristen's Delia returned in the fall of 1986. The Maggie/Roger/Delia triangle was pretty golden, though the Operation Overlord storyline with Max, Carrell Myers' Siobhan (very bland), and Walt Willey's Joe was going on concurrently and was not very good (though that may be because of the actors involved). Once Labine returned in February 1987, the show solidified the quality it had started to pick up during the last days of Taggart and King. Granted, it was not necessarily the Ryan's Hope of old, as there was an entire new generation of characters at point - but it was consistently well-written and well-acted with attention returning to the Ryans and Coleridges. And I loved how so many people came back during the last month and a half the show was on-air. Ruth Jaroslow played Norma from 1977 through 1979. Sally Ann Golden played her for one episode in 1980. I'm not sure how long it was around based on the tapes I have, but Mrs. Lem does make an appearance in the 1984 St. Patrick's Day episode. I'm not sure if she was still being played by the original actress, Mary Mon Toy.
  11. By the end of 1988, Chaz and Ryan had broken up, and Chaz was pursuing a relationship with Nancy Don Lewis. During the show's last week, Ryan and Chaz reunited, and Nancy Don ultimately decided to follow Ben Shelby to Australia. I'm only familiar with the show's post-1982 run from tapes I got on the SoapNet board (most of which have been posted by someone else on YouTube), but I loathed the Dubujaks. From roughly early 1984 to mid-1985, they took over the show to a much greater degree than the Kirklands ever did. Max Dubujak (played by Daniel Pilon from 1983-1987 and briefly in 1988) was the easiest to bear, but the writing for the character was very inconsistent. Smith wrote him as someone who was undoubtedly a bad guy before Taggart and King came in and reformed him via his romance with Siobhan only for them to later revert his character back to the way he was originally conceived. But yes, his daughter, Jacqueline (Gerit Quealy), was awful. Easily worse than Kimbo, IMO. Utterly pointless and nothing but a shrew. The other Dubujaks -- Max's ex-wife Gabrielle (Susan Scannell) and his mother Chantal (Marisa Pavan) -- were also a waste of time, and their storyline (with Max and Siobhan) really dominated the show in mid-1985. Scannell played out a storyline in which her character had been locked up in a French sanatarium for years against her will. It turned out that Max and Gabrielle had gotten into an argument during which she hit her head. He thought she was dead; Chantal ushered her away and locked her up against her will for 20 years. Chantal later hired a double to impersonate her and secure the money that had been left to her in Max's father's will, only for the real Gabrielle to escape and wreak havoc. [unrelated fact: I believe Pavan was the only actor on contract to receive special billing -- she was always listed at the end of the credits with 'and' before her name.] The biggest problem with her tenure was the way she mistreated the show's core characters, either completely rewriting their personalities or putting them on the backburner. Jill, Frank, and Roger really suffered as characters. Jill and Frank as a couple became unbearable. Frank constantly tried to hook up with Maggie, Jill's half-sister, while Jill frequently flirted with Max. They would then endlessly yell at each other about one another's perceived infidelity. When Taggart and King came onboard, they backburnered the two for a few months before giving Jill amnesia. Smith reverted Roger to an alcoholic and had him attempt to rape Maggie. He then also attacked Frank with a two-by-four. Maeve and Johnny were both heavily backburnered. For most of Smith's tenure, Ryan's simply didn't exist; it was bombed by the mob in January 1984 and didn't reopen until Thanksgiving. Pat basically served no other purpose than to have someone for Frank and Siobhan to confide in. Seneca and Bob served similar purposes, and both simply disappeared. Dave wasn't bad, though I didn't find him particularly interesting as a lead character. I never totally bought his relationship with Maggie (the writing for her was also very schizo under Smith), and there wasn't much passion in his relationship with Katie Thompson, either. Norma Greenberg (played by Teri Keane) did appear on the show in June 1985, as both she and her husband Saul (Sam Gray) returned for Dave and Maggie's wedding. They stuck around long enough to see Katie admit her love for Dave at a party celebrating a production Dave and Katie put together.
  12. After Rick and Ryan's marriage ended in August 1987, Ryan was primarily involved with Chaz Saybrooke (played by Brian McGovern), a yuppie-in-training of sorts who was introduced via his aunt Emily Hall, a social worker who dated Jack Fenelli. Mark D'Angelo, a journalist like Ryan, was also interested in Ryan around the same time, but it was very one-sided. Siobhan married Max Dubujak in 1985. Max was a mobster who also happened to be Joe's former father-in-law and was also the man who ordered a hit on Joe that forced Joe into hiding. Max had supposedly reformed by the time he married Siobhan, but, when Joe returned in 1986 played by Walt Willey, she became aware of some of his more nefarious dealings. A series of events led to Max plummeting over a cliff, and Joe and Siobhan re-married and left Riverside in 1987. When Siobhan and Joe (now played again by Roscoe Born) returned in 1988, Max revealed himself to be alive and broke into their apartment, only to be killed by Joe. Unbeknownst to Joe and Siobhan, Max planted a bomb in a music box in their apartment; it ultimately killed Joe. In the final two months of the show, Siobhan found herself gradually falling in love with detective Fenno Moore, the man who had helped Joe and Siobhan investigate Max upon their return in 1988. In the show's final episode, Siobhan - after a heart-to-heart with Maeve - accepted Fenno's offer to be his partner. It's a shame SoapNet never aired episodes past-1981. Virtually everything written by Pat Falken Smith (from November 1983-March 1985) is admittedly god-awful with lots of awful plots centering around hastily introduced characters as well as a lot of veteran characters being written completely out-of-character, but there are a lot of wonderful stories that followed the end of Smith's tenure. Tom King and Millee Taggart's tenure had a pretty shaky beginning, but they eventually got the show back on track. And Claire Labine's returns -- in 1987 as well as in 1983 -- boasted some great stories.
  13. Marland was the show's HW through at least November 1984 - I have an episode from that month on tape (tried uploading it online, but the video is too jumpy) which credits him.
  14. Yeah, there isn't much compared to other soaps of the time, but, in the later years, there was usually music playing in the scenes set at Ryan's, which I suppose could be enough to make further airings cost prohibitive (One use of music I particularly remember involved Ryan Fenelli listening to Madonna's "Like a Virgin" as she considered losing her virginity to D.J. LaSalle). Yep, the Greer saga was the focus of Labine & Mayer's brief stint in 1983, which won the show's sixth and final Emmy for Outstanding Writing. There are tons of clips of it on YouTube (for reference, the story ran from April 1983 to August 1983).
  15. Pan's Labyrinth Holy crap. It was an absolute masterpiece. The movie itself looked beautiful, and the script was really well-done - I can't think of a single thing I'd change about the entire film. It was easily the best movie of 2006 that I've seen and hopefully it'll get some Oscar love on Tuesday.
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