What was the Loving nod? How does this dude get free reign to go snatching characters from the whole of ABC Daytime? And Loving/The City are owned by Agnes Nixon's production company, Creative Horizons, so how does that work? It's cute and fun when you incorporate beloved characters from other shows but it must be done with the utmost craft and care. There are writers on this board who could do it more artfully. RC's writing has always given me mediocre-to-poor housewife fanfic vibes and the best of the ABC Daytime legacy deserves better than that. Create your own [!@#$%^&*] and live by the campsite rule if you must touch iconic characters whose success you had no hand in.

Where have you been? We discussed all this--but exactly. I'm sure nobody really cared about the Loving Murders connection (they did show photos of cast members) so just let it pass. Agnes Nixon prob has better things to do.

My jaw is on the floor. Wish I could have seen that. Did they even address the fact that Deborah bought the Alden mansion after she won the lottery?

Nah, they acted like COrinth had become a ghost town due to the murders...

Britt has no business calling out anyone for anything, not when she's standing there with a kid that clearly isn't hers. Her and Luke needed to STHU today

they acted like COrinth had become a ghost town due to the murders...

Which, frankly, I can buy. Even Ava (Rescott, not Jerome) took off. Deborah probably just took the dough and split.

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Britt has no business calling out anyone for anything, not when she's standing there with a kid that clearly isn't hers. Her and Luke needed to STHU today

I agree about Britt, but Liz deserved it. JMO. Liz acted so superior and smug I was thrilled Britt laid it out for her. Someone had to. Liz knew Britt was right. But you are right, Britt AND Liz have no business calling each other out.

Which, frankly, I can buy. Even Ava took off. Deborah probably just took the dough and split.

I bought that aspect as well. I mean it was established that people fled. Towns do get deserted. I really didn't mind the LOVING nod at all. The RH one, well, I've expressed that it was a mistake and even more so because he didn't even bother to let Claire know. He just comes across as such a scared wuss that he hides behind Twitter and the soap press. Man up and tell Claire you are using her character. Why didn't he tell her. Well, we all saw how it was handled.

I like the idea of the RH material and of Delia Reid being used as Ava's mother. I think it's a great idea with real potential. But as is often par for the course with Ron I think the way it was executed was pretty shabby. I felt Ilene was at least half-playing Roxy and off her game - doing 'wacky Roxy gets flustered' - I felt the OLTL jokes were inappropriate and uncalled for when you're there to supposedly honor RH, and I felt the script was too perfunctory for such an iconic character. If she does appear again, and I expect she will, I hope they give her more to work with. I also think he needed to call Claire Labine.

The Loving thing didn't bother me at all, I loved that. I half-expected/hoped to see Howarth and LW visit Corinth, since they started on the show together as part of the same youth canvas. I don't mind Ron "honoring" the ABC soap history, no one else is gonna do it. I mind when he does it as a way to take more shots at OLTL sans the Godhead ("apres moi, le deluge," he hisses as he writes in yet another ELQ relish wars joke) and just bullshits the rest. Back when OLTL was doing seemingly five serial killer storylines a year in the early-mid 2000s, I desperately wanted them to reference The Edge of Night and have Mike and Nancy Karr pop up to give Bo and John some info on some case in Monticello or something. That's something Ron would do - except there were no OLTL stars on the show, so maybe not.

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Denny Albee was on EON and OLTL. Someone should tell him.

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Jackie Zeman was on Edge of Night, OLTL, AND GH. Somebody tell Ron.

Why do you think he keeps bringing her back

Elizabeth you made your choice, shut up!

Where's Helena to give her a poisoned apple?

Each "writer"/regime have proven that they have absolutely no interest in this character. Liz has been cruising for about 7 years now, and it just might be time to let this character go (Cyber, please don't read this). Can't count how many times Liz has dismissed a guy only to chase him and give the bitch look to the woman who caught him... There's no great love just Liz grabbing at the nearest dick she threw away.

Agreed. The character has been in horrible shape since 2006, when her affairs became par for the course and tedious. Her revolving door of men have become tiresome and ultimately none of her relationships mean anything, which for a romantic actresses is complete poison to her value to the show. It's just gotten worse and worse over time and when you look at her history it's the same storyline. Ric, Zander, Jason, Lucky, Nikolas, AJ, etc. The best thing Herbst could have done was leave when she was fired. Liz holds no value to the show at this point, especially with fresher, newer romantic actresses who haven't been plowed by endless leading men year after year. Ultimately they can promise of a better storyline just because they don't have any baggage behind them, and when they say they love that man more than anything there aren't 7 other glaring occasions where she just said the same damn thing to the man before him.

If so, it was a huge fail.

No kidding.

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Herbst has kids to help support and she likely knew she wasn't going to be getting a ton of acting work at her age, even if she looks younger than she is. I can't blame her for staying.

A paycheck is a paycheck.

I think you make a lot of good points Skin. I also think they could salvage Liz, if they had the will to do so. I just don't think they do. She'll probably just meander for awhile until they can SORAS Aidan.