Paul Raven

I was happy to see Esther again, but yes the convo about Chance was odd. Esther making the crack about avoiding Jill played against their relationship. Wasn't Esther supportive and Jill appreciative during her heart attack? Jill has always been frosty to Esther but there is an underlying connection. Esther should be living at the Chancellor Estate . Is that the first time she's been on in 2021?

Having him marry Sharon was a pointless exercise. Did nothing for either of them.

Had Jabot remained front and center instead of the inane Chance.com, Jack would have more to do outside of any romantic involvement. Billy, Lily, Mariah and Abby are just some of the possibilities to work there with Jack overseeing corporate battles etc Of course, delving into the Keemo void is an obvious avenue. Maybe sometime along the way, Jack should have married a woman with a couple of kids as a way of bringing new blood into the Abbotts.

Well after more than 40 years, it's not surprising only a few cast members remain.

One way to free up some cash and shake up the story would be to drop Phyllis. She's quite expendable at this point. she has no relatives on the canvas and the relationships with Nick and Jack have been played over and over. There is zilch chemistry with Billy and they tend to ignore that. Have Jack decide he doesn't want to tangle with Phyllis again and then she can get a message Daniel is in some kind of trouble and BAM goodbye Phyllis. On the subject of useless cast members, where can they go with Rey? No workplace, no family and a boring marriage to Sharon...

Those are great! Thanks for sharing. i wonder who the actress was that played the nurse? Possibly one of the first Black actors on a TV soap.

I like these story possibilities. I wonder if Bill considered all these angles or just went with his gut feelings? Greg being a possible father was a good angle and would have kept the Fosters around longer. Then Greg , having split from Nikki could have hung on as the town lawyer and slipped into the John Silva role as confidant to Jill -his sister and 3rd wheel for other ladies like Julia and Nina.

We also had Jodie the pregnant teen in 77 or 78? Thinking back to the Williams family, Bill dropped Steve (never to be seen again) and never followed through with Todd. Once Lilibet Stern left,Patty was on borrowed time and it did seem pointless for Paul to have 2 parents hanging around, hence the decision to backburn Carl. My thought was- What if Katherine Kelly Lang had been the recast Patty? First of all she resembled Lillibet more than Andrea and I think she would have had more staying power than Andrea. KKL had already appeared on Y&R as Gretchen (Patty's friend) but that was a while before and not a big barrier for a recast. Patty might have stayed for years and the Williams more prominent. Could you see a younger KKL as Patty?

Those Summer teen stories were a pain. Maybe if they introduced a new long term character then they would hold some interest, but those troubled teens were always gone for good Summer's end. It wasn't until Nina came along that Bill decided to follow through. If Chris had become attached to one of those girls in the Rose DeVille story and wanted to mentor her,that could have supplied ongoing story for Chris and set up a teen story with connections to the core.

He stated in that interview he did alongside Claire Labine that he married them off in Jan 74 and didn't know what to do with them next. Rule #1-never marry off a couple without having the next story ready!

Casey got some play in the 80's but after that she was pretty much forgotten. Some guest shots would have been nice when Nikki was going through her many traumas/weddings.

Why not have Snapper encounter April at the free clinic? What was Chris doing at this time-stay at home mom? A natural story would have been for Chris to want a career ,which Snapper supported but in practice created difficulties. Have Chris work at Jabot (not as a model) and be successful, encounter new people etc and have Snapper be put out that she is no longer as available to him as before.

Things did get muddied with cast changes, leaves etc. But straying from what was working was an issue. From what I saw of Bond she had potential as Jill. If she had have stayed in the Derek/Katherine/Suzanne sphere then viewers might have been easier to accept her. As stated, mixing her in with JackJohn and Steve - all new characters was a wrong move. It probably disappointed viewers who had been following the Jill/Derek story to have them quickly say their goodbyes and move on. Surely Bill could have come up with another twist. Instead he had Derek in the Chancellor workplace story. It was odd that Derek, who had lived and dreamed the Golden Comb, gave up the tight white outfit for a suit and tie, Chancellor had never been part of the story and there was now all sorts of corporate intrigue that hadn't been apart of Y&R. And Derek and Suzanne pretty much faded away. Why not bring in his son Jamie to be a part of a teen story with Patty? And having Brock as a romantic lead was also jarring. He had always been a supporting character to Kay, Jill, Les etc It's interesting that Bell claims to have had a change of heart re Victor due to EB performance and then write the dungeon story that painted Victor as a psycho that led to Michael and Julia being dropped to try and rehab Victor so he could stay around. The Stu/Eve/Liz story went nowhere nor the plot point that Derek and Eve had a prior relationship. There really was a lot of chopping and changing. It looks like Wes Kenney kind of read the riot act to Bill about the show floundering and he got it together. We saw the departure of Cash, April,Barbara, Dorothy, Wayne, Snapper, Sally, Lance, Lorie,Jonas, Karen Andy and Jill split and she re-engaged with the Abbotts. Paul went undercover. Victor/Nikki continued The only new story that bombed was Leslie/Robert/Angela and that was wrapped up by the end of the year.

Well the Abbott family is pretty much gone with Traci and Ashley popping in from time to time. Abby is an Abbott in name only. What made the Abbotts strong was having Jabot integral to the story and it no longer exists. The problem with the Newmans has been the lack of evolution of the characters. Back to the expansion, the clumping of the Williams and Abbotts together always makes it seem they came on at the same time, whereas in reality the Williams were the major new family in the new format and Jack and John were minor characters, with John eventually dropped. The real format change came in 82 with the intro of the Abbotts and the dropping of the final remnants of the Brooks and Fosters. Bill Bell's approach with the expansion seemed to be the dismantling of the couples/stories at the time and using those characters to propel new couples and stories. With Lance gone, Lorie was moved to Michael, then Robert and Victor, Leslie with Jonas and Lucas with Casey and Karen. Jill/Derek was dropped. Nikki/Greg split etc. There were probably too many changes too quickly.

Alex Marshall Days. He went from general menace to a more misunderstood anti hero destined to reignite love flames with Marie and make happy family with Jessica . Then the Horton connection was dropped and Alex went back to assistant bad guy to various villians and comedy relief before getting arrested and never heard of again. An 8 year stint.

This is interesting to me as the only cast members who left were Brenda Dickson (Jill) and John McCook (Lance). Everyone else stayed on. David Hasselhoff went recurring? Was Lynne Topping put on recurring because of this? Pam Peters (Peggy) was brought back. So it was hardly a cast decimation. More like business as usual. Kay Alden has spoken about the expansion time and said it was very stressful. I think some of the turmoil was brought about by Bill's reluctance and resistance to the 1 hour format. It's not as though Y&R was the first show to expand- other shows had moved to 60 min quite smoothly.

Understood. There really needs to be some other storylines. A proper story for Faith/Moses. Some hospital/relationship intrigue for Nate/Elena. These characters are relatively new to the canvas and not burdened with years of backstory like many others. Seeing Jack/Phyllis round 2745 holds little interest at this point.

There are hardly any secrets to be revealed.

Guiding Light ??? 3 week temp for Paul Potter 1954

Margaret Hayes Pilots/Proposals Mildred Pierce 1957 CBS daytime serial Treva Frazee Modern Romances 1950 Wendy Drew Hannibal Cobb 1950 Whispering Streets 1955 My True Story 1955 Hester Sondergaard Pepper Young's Family 1938 Valiant Lady Josie Carstens 1942 Road of Life 1938/1949 Portia Faces Life 1949 Wendy Warren 1949 Stella Dallas Allie Allen 1944

The worst offenders in terms of clothing are Nikki,Lauren, Abby, Sally and sometimes Sharon. and Phyllis. Lots of overly tight, cheap looking fabrics, unflattering colors, metallics. So it is a style choice for these characters. as Amanda and Lily usually look decent in more subdued and elegant looks - but no-one is immune. Is it just me or does anyone think those characters present well? Obviously the clothing budget has been cut and they are using cheaper items but just like in real life a clever eye can elevate the look. Are the men wearing their own clothes? Nick, Devon, Ray are dressed basically. Devon should be in hip casual/streetwear but its just chain store looking Tees and jeans. Adam looks awful in the baggy black outfits. Only Nate and ashland present well. The hair and makeup is off. Is this COVID related? Are they spending minimum time interacting with hair/makeup, if at all? As for the lighting, again maybe the budget means less time is allowed to adjust the lighting and they are employing fewer people ? There has to be some reason for the tatty looking show.

I'm pretty sure that for flashbacks an actor gets a full episode payment, hence why we often only see a flashback if those actors are also in that episode, so will be paid anyway. If it's an actor no longer on the show, either in flashback or photo I'm not sure how that works. And if say Tom and Alice are shown, is there a payment involved and who would be the recipient?

WTH is going on with lighting/hair/makeup/clothing? Nikki in a bold stripe blouse with a snakeskin belt? In what fashion universe does that worK? Jack suddenly looks years older-his skin looks way more blotchy. Nikki has prominent eye bags. Phyllis cleavage was spotty. If you're over 40 on this show, don't expect any help from the production team.

Love of Life Dr Brett (minister who married Vanessa and Paul Raven) Jack Davis 1954 You have him as marrying Van and Bruce, which may have been the case. Gloria Gloria Hamilton She was singer at Hal Craig and Meg's supper club.

I agree