Paul Raven

Not sure of a debut date but the mention of the Colonnade Room reminds me that in an old synopses (I think it was Days) there is mention of the Colonnade Room as a swanky dining destination. So Bill Bell must have liked the name to use it again. Unless I am misremembering and it was another show? And when did the Colonnade room set stop being used? Found that there was a Colonnade Room in Chicago at one point .Wonder if Bill dined there and decided to use the name

How come Doug Davidson didn't get a 40th anni episode in 2018? He was still on the show at that time. Was he already marked for extinction at that point and they didn't want to draw attention to his status?

Killing off Colleen and ignoring Keemo all those years were probably the biggest mistakes re The Abbotts as well as the multiple pointless marriages of Jack and Ashley. Keeping the kids to a minimum looks a wise move in terms of later decisions to give everybody kids - now we have Connor, Chtristian, Johnny, Katie, Reed,Bella,Miles etc who are barely if ever seen and have to be written around.

Perhaps it was also Marland running out of ideas after 7 or so years. We see it often with writers coming to a show with fresh ideas, interesting new characters . But once those initial stories have been told and actors leave etc, it gets harder to come up with compelling new stories for those remaining. Having characters like Tess, Hutch,Rosanna driving stories seemed wrong to me. Where were the Hughes and the Snyders who had been established as the core characters who had involvement in every story?

I'm glad you referenced this as it has often been quoted as fact that Lipton put the Matthews on the backburner and focused on the Gregorys. And that Agnes Nixon killed off all the Gregorys. As stated Irna dropped Granny Matthews and Susan Matthews. Alice was a supporting character, Russ was hardly seen. The original focus was on Pat, Bill and Janet with Jim, Pat and Liz heavily involved. Lipton kept those characters frontburner. He took the character of Ernest and got him involved with Janet in a triangle with Ken Baxter. His parents were introduced but they were supporting. Ernest's backstory was that he had been in love with Karen who married her brother Alex. Alex and Karen returned and that situation was played out. Ken and Laura reconciled, leaving Janet to agree to marry Ernest. But when Alex was killed in a car accident,Janet worried Alex would turn again to Karen, so she refused to marry him. Ernest left town. So it was hardly a takeover by the Gregory family. In fact Agnes dropped the character of Janet Matthews who had been a main character since the beginning.

One important factor for core families is the generational aspect. New younger family members are needed as the years go by. But on the flipside, writers don't want to saddle characters with too many children. Some examples AW The Matthews Pat was given twins, who were rapidly SORASED born in 1970 teens by 75 and dropped, never seen again. Russ had no children despite 4 marriages (later retconned) Alice adopted Sally (who was killed off) Susan had no children (later retconned with adopted daughter Julia who was killed off) Bill had no children (a stepson Ricky, who was never used0 So not really much there to build upon. The characters they might have used (the Randolph twins, Ricky were never used ,despite potential) When there was a a renewed interest in the late 80's, Russ returned and given a daughter Josie, but he was dropped and her lineage as a Matthews was pretty much ignored.

Don't know that I class the Andersons as a core family. There was only Bob,Phyllis and Mary and they were introduced 7 years into the show's run. They lasted about 7 years. Julie and Linda married Bob, Neil married Phyllis and Mary married Alex. Melissa took the surname, but otherwise had no real connection. So an important family, but not core. Every long running show has been guilty of discarding the core families, to the overall detriment of the show.

Guiding Light Alice Eldridge Gantry never seen . Deceased wife of Lee Gantry, former Springfield resident, one time classmate of Meta Bauer, left Lee property in town

Y&R Michael Roark who played Travis would have been a good Billy. Jason Thompson - his somber demeanor would have been better suited to Adam.

I wonder if at some point in the 50's the hired help were fired as the Carey's had to do some belt tightening when the movie roles dried up? He had the security of a Paramount contract in the 40's.

The dreaded Maggie surrogate story. When Pat Falken Smith arrived she declared she was puzzled by that story. She said Maggie would be the least likely woman to agree to surrogacy. She had never had a child and desperately wanted one. It would have been better for Mickey and Maggie to use a surrogate themselves. Did Maggie ever get a decent story once she married Mickey? Stuart Whyland replaced Kellam Chandler as the Salem older villian. When PFS arrived she made Stuart an employee of Stefano, who used him to lay the groundwork for the DiMera takeover of Salem.

Jered Holmes Love Is A Many Splendored Thing pre 1970 Robertson Deen Guiding Light Reg Vandermeer pre 1989

Interesting. i don't think CBS/P&G or Gail Kobe had much investment in older legacy characters. They were expensive, had a lot of story baggage and worst of all, over 40. They were interested in the here and now, hot new couples. But it was a short sighted policy in that there was no solid structure. Each new set of writers dropped some characters, introduced their new pets and a lot of young actors chose to leave. So we had fragmented families and constant turnover. If the writing and characters were interesting and appealing as happened with Pam Long then viewers were there for it. And a lot of her new characters were tied into established families eg Bauer, Spaulding, Reardons. But as time went on there were only a few characters that had been there more than a few years. Not a good thing for viewer loyalty IMO.

CBS wishing it was 1985.

Simon Gilbey was 1971. Jerry Lacy moved onto Love of Life by 1972. Lisa was seeing Don in 72 . Wally arrived late in 72. So Simon and Wally were dating Lisa at different times.

I don't know how far they went with Tom and Carols'ecology' story as there are no synopses available for that time. Amy Hughes came on in 73 also and it seemed that her grandparents coincidentally lived in Oakdale or nearby. Not sure how that story was resolved. Wally was the natural father of Peter Burton, a friend of Tom and Carol. It seems they reunited and left Oakdale. There was a writers' strike of around 3 months in mid 73 so that would have derailed some of Irna's plans. I think she returned for a short time after but then was fired.

The pregnancy was 1972 when she was involved with Don. Wally Matthews was 1973.

Among other issues,the 90 min AW started a half hour earlier, changing the timeslot AW had held since its debut. So viewers again had to make a choice if they had previously watched CBS or ABC at 2.30 to stick with that or now switch over to AW. I'm sure a lot of viewers just tuned in at 3, figuring they could catch up over the next hour. It really was bone headed move on so many levels.

And the fact that Joe is Karen's brother immediately ties her to his relationships and storylines. that can be useful in terms of keeping characters involved.

1978/79 Series rankings. I. Laverne and Shirley (ABC) 30.8 48 2. Threes Company (ABC) 30.2 45 3. Happy Days (ABC) 29.1 48 4. Mork & Mindy (ABC) 28.5 48 5. Angie (ABC) 27.1 42 6. Ropers (ABC) 25.6 42 7. M'A'S'H (CBS) 25.4 37 8. 60 Minutes (CBS) 25.4 41 9. All in the Family (CBS) 25.2 38 10. Charlie's Angels (ABC) 25.0 38 11. Taxi (ABC) 24.9 38 12. Eight is Enough (ABC) 24.9 39 13. Alice (CBS) 23.8 36 14. Little House on the Prairie (NBC) 23.3 35 15. Barney Miller (ABC) 22.8 36 16. ABC Sunday Night Movie 22.7 36 17. Love Boat (ABC) 22.1 38 18. One Day at a Time (CBS) 21.6 32 19. Soap (ABC) 21.6 34 20. Dukes of Hazzard (CBS) 21.1 35 21. NBC Monday Night Movies 21.0 32 22. Fantasy Island (ABC) 20.8 38 23. Vegas (ABC) 20.7 35 24. CBS Sunday Night Movie 20.7 34 25. Stockard Channing & Friends (CBS) 20.7 32 26. Barnaby Jones ICBS) 20.5 36 27. 13 Queens Blvd. (ABC) 20.5 36 28. Centennial (NBC) 20.3 30 29. CHiPs (NBC) 20.1 36 30. What's Happening (ABC) 20.1 33 31. NFL Monday Night Football (ABC) 20.0 33 32. Dif'rent Strokes (NBC) 20.0 34 33. Lou Grant (CBS) 19.6 31 34. Battlestar: Galaclica (ABC) 19.6 30 35. WKRP in Cincinnati (CBS) 19.5 29 36. Starsky and Hutch (ABC) 19.0 32 37. Waltons (CBS) 19.0 30 38. ABC Friday Night Movie 19.0 33 39. Sunday Big Event (NBC) 18.9 29 40. Dallas (CBS) 18.4 32 41. Bad News Bears (CBS) 18.4 34 42. MacKenzies- Paradise Cove (ABC) 18.2 30 43. White Shadow (CBS) 181 28 44. Hawaii Five -O (CBS) 18.0 29 45. Incredible Hulk (CBS) 18.0 30 46. Dear Detective (CBS) 18.0 30 47. How the West Was Won (ABC) 17.9 27 48. Salvage 1 (ABC) 17.7 26 49. Jeffersons (CBS) 17.4 28 50. Quincy (NBC) 17.4 27 51. CBS Tuesday Night Movies 17.3 27 52. Family (CBS) 17.1 30 53. Kaz (CBS) 17.0 28 54. Mary Tyler Moore Hour (CBS) 17.0 29 55. Wonderful World of Disney (NBC) 16.9 27 56. People (CBS) 16.8 25 57. B.J. and the Bear (NBC) 16.8 29 58. Rockford Files (NBC) 16.6 29 59. Wednesday Movie of the Week (NBC) 16.5 26 60. Wonder Woman (CBS) 16.5 28 61. Tuesday Big Event 16.3 26 62. Donny and Marie (ABC) 16.3 28. 63. CBS Saturday Night Movie 16.2 28 64. Mary (CBS) 65. Eddie Capra Mysteries (NBC) 16.1 16.0 25 AP 28 66. CBS Wednesday Night Movie 15.8 25 67. Joe & Valerie (NBC) 15.7 24 68. Hello, Larry (NBC) 15.7 26 69. Supertrain (NBC) 15.7 25 70. Carter Country (ABC) 15.6 27 71. NBC Saturday Night Movies 15.3 29 72. Dick Clark's Live Wednesday (NBC) 15.3 24 73. Flatbush (CBS) 15.2 22 74. In the Beginning (CBS) 15.1 24 75. Flying High (CBS) 15.1 27 76. Billy (CBS) 15.0 24 77. Miss Winslow & Son (CBS) 14.9 24 78. Welcome Back, Kotter (ABC) 148 26 79. Delta House (ABC) 14.8 26 80. Osmond Family Show (ABC) 14.5 23 81. NBC Novels for Television 14.4 24 82. Mrs. Colombo (NBC) 14.4 26 83. CBS Friday Night Movie 14.3 23 84. Duke (NBC) 14.3 25 85. ABC Monday Night Movie 14.2 24 86. Doctors Private Lives (ABC) 14.1 26 87. Grandpa Goes to Washington (NBC) 13.8 22 88. Operation Petticoat (ABC) 13.7 22 89. Turnabout (NBC) 13.3 22 90. Sword of Justice (NBC) 13.2 25 91. Good Times (CBS) 13.0 23 92. Hardy Boys Mysteries (ABC) 13.0 21 93. Brothers and Sisters (NBC) 13.0 22 94. Cliffhangers (NBC) 12.8 20 95. Rhoda (CBS) 12.7 24 96. Lifeline (NBC) 12.6 22 97. Friends (ABC) 12.5 22 98. Paper Chase (CBS) 12.4 20 99. David Cassidy -Undercover (NBC) 12.1 21 100. Married: The First Year (CBS) 12.0 19 101. Waverly Wonders (NBC) 11.9 23 102. Whoa Watching the Kids (NBC) 11.9 21 103. Lucan (ABC) 11.9 18 104. Makin It (ABC) 11.9 20 105. Apple Pie (ABC) 11.6 22 106. Project U.F.O. (NBC) 11.4 18 107. American Girls (CBS) 11.0 20 108. Sweepstakes (NBC) 11.0 19 109. W.E.B. (NBC) 10.1 18 110. Weekend (NBC) 10.0 17 111. Whodunnit (NBC) 10.0 18 112. Highcliffe Manor (NBC) 9.5 17 113. Little Women (NBC) 8.9 13 114. Harris and Company (NBC) 7.6 12 The specials Rank Rating/Share 1. Ali - Spinks fight (ABC) 37.2 61 2. Rocky (CBS) 36.9 52 3. World Series Game Six (NBC) 35.9 54 4. Academy Awards (ABC) 34.6 63 5. World Series Game Í (NBC) 33.1 51 6. World Series Game Ill (NBC) ' 32.9 54 7. Roots: Next Generations (ABC) 32.7 50 ¡ 8. World Series Game II (NBC) 32.2 50 C. 9. Roofs: Next Generations (ABC) 31.8 48 10. Super Bowl XIII Post (NBC) 31.7 47 11. Roots: Next Generations (ABC) 31.7 48 12. Threes Company (ABC) 30.9 49 13. Rescue from Gilligans Island (NBC) 30.2 52 14. Roots: Next Generations (ABC) 29.5 41 15. Pearl (ABC) 29.4 47 16. MacKenzies -Paradise Cove (ABC) 29.4 47 17. Bob Hope -Salute/World Series (NBC) 29.1 42 18. Roots: Next Generations (ABC) 28.9 47 19. Gone With the Wind Part II (CBS) 28.8 40 20. Roots: Next Generations (ABC) 28.6 40 21. Delta House (ABC) 28.3 41 22. Threes Company Special (ABC) 28.2 40 23. Circus of the Stars (CBS) 28.0 42

Expanding The Doctors would have been a better idea. Just recently GH had done just that and immediately improved ratings. Soaps are always imitating so why not follow ABC's lead? Maybe one of the problems was finding studio space in New York. The Doctors was squeezed into a tiny studio at Rockefeller Center and it would be physically impossible to accomodate extra sets etc.

Y&R started employing extras! Maybe Doug Davidson returning. Heather Tom returns as Victoria. Eric Braeden retires.

They need to move on and recast Daniel. I don't know that nice is nice right word. At this point MS plays Phyllis so broad...

From Wesley Eure's WLS interview I was doing other things at the time, but it came out later that I got fired because I was gay. The make-up people would call and say, "Wesley, you know the real reason they let you go is because everyone's talking about it." At the time one of the heads of NBC was Earl Greenburg, and I knew Earl and his partner, who died of AIDS. When I moved to Palm Springs, Earl Greenburg had now formed the Desert AIDS Project and he had the Rick Weiss Awards which was named after his partner, and had done a complete turnaround. He passed on last year. I raise a lot of money for AIDS, and the first thing he said to me when I saw him at a big fundraiser was, "Didn't I fire you?" And I said, "You [!@#$%^&*]." The word on the street was "you were gay and they wanted someone else." Can I prove it? No. Was it legend? Yes.

When Texas got underway still within AW didn't they break the show into 2 45 min chunks with the Texas characters in the second half? How did that work in practice? Was the second half strictly Texas characters? Anyway tTexas was a text book example of how NOT to do a spin off. At one point NBC announced a proposed line up of all soaps beginning with The Doctors at 11.30 am and including a new soap in the line up. AW would continue at 90 min. I think they planned to run David Letterman from 10-11.30. Of course Letterman tanked as did AW so those plans were scuttled. I posted that article somewhere back in time-will try to find it.