On 5/9/2020 at 9:43 AM, Darn said:

I've always thought inter-cutting Victor and Nikki's vows with Ashley admitting Victor is Abby's father was masterful. The story is icky and offensive but they rung every drop of drama possible out of it. That's what I miss most about Y&R, they would hit every beat no matter how long it took.

 

I'd not remembered they did that intercutting and was impressed with how gripping and dramatic it was. Like you say, Y&R hit every beat. 

 

On 5/10/2020 at 9:35 AM, Antoyne said:

When Sussman had her as a cold hearted bitch at Newman and feuding with Ashley, Heinle did great and then they just turned her into a heroine again, it was mind boggling.

 

TPTB have, for some inexplicable reason, decided that Victoria Newman should be bland. It's so wrong and has destroyed the character.

 

On 5/11/2020 at 9:46 AM, Faulkner said:

Alex Donnelly sort of looks like she could be Michael Mealor’s mother, with their endearing mouths. Shame that Y&R destroyed Diane so shortsightedly. Her absence is deeply felt.

 

Alex Donnelly's Diane is so missed by me. I think they should just ignore the MAB killing off and bring AD back.

 

On 5/11/2020 at 9:52 AM, soapfan770 said:

God this 1998 episode looks so gorgeous in 2020 it really hold up well.

 

Why did Katherine’s attic have tarantulas and rats LOL. What the hell was going up there.

 

It's amazing how good the 1998 episode looks. Katherine's forgotten attic was epic. 

 

On 5/11/2020 at 9:59 AM, BetterForgotten said:

Esther and Kay's off-screen staff did a shitty job maintaining her mansion! 

 

LOL - Esther too busy trying to grapple for more screen time.

 

On 5/11/2020 at 3:01 PM, Faulkner said:

She was just so coiled and dripping with venom and bitterness. I found her such a strong presence. And she was very elegant in her own way. Susan Walters was never fully credible as this lonely, aggrieved woman. She was too by-the-book beautiful and dainty, even though she gave it her all.

 

I just love Diane vs Nikki in all their confrontations. The hateful chemistry was palpable. I always wondered if it transferred offscreen, as we never really got a straight answer as to why Diane was recast.

 

5 hours ago, Faulkner said:

 

For some reason, Nikki’s line “...And doing things you weren’t supposed to do!” always makes me laugh. Seems like MTS flubbed her line but they let it slide because the scene was otherwise so amazing. Diane banging Nikki’s head into the table is just a level of camp that only a show as well-executed as Y&R could have pulled off. 

 

Michelle and Alex would been gold together. (I heard they only shared one scene during their overlap?) They would tried to one-up each other, which would have been fun to watch. Certainly, Alex was great with Melody.

 

 

 

Ok, rewatching that fight scene with Diane and Nikki in the booth at Gina’s, did Alex not only throw water but the whole cup at MTS’s face at 2:24 in the clip? Speaking of hateful chemistry transferring off screen...

 

I love the smug way AD says, He’s not interested. It’s all very sad and pathetic when you think about who (and what) they’re fighting over...

Edited May 13, 20205 yr by Faulkner

9 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

Ok, rewatching that fight scene with Diane and Nikki in the booth at Gina’s, did Alex not only throw water but the whole cup at MTS’s face at 2:24 in the clip? Speaking of hateful chemistry transferring off screen...

 

So I've just rewatched the clip at 0.25 speed...what Alex does is she holds the glass with her right hand and dumps the water on MTS and her right hand brings the glass down immediately, but her left arm and hand shoots up in the air, so it really looks like she's thrown the glass out of her left hand, but what the left arm is really doing is getting ready to flip the table. 

 

Whoever directed that really knew what they were doing because it still holds up.

Edited May 13, 20205 yr by DaytimeFan

4 minutes ago, DaytimeFan said:

 

So I've just rewatched the clip at 0.25 speed...what Alex does is she holds the glass with her right hand and dumps the water on MTS and her right hand brings the glass down immediately, but her left arm and hand shoots up in the air, so it really looks like she's thrown the glass out of her left hand, but what the left arm is really doing is getting ready to flip the table. 

 

Whoever directed that really knew what they were doing because it still holds up.

I love how we’re dissecting this scene lol. Ok I see it now. I just adore how AD plays this scene, savoring every little pause, and MTS expressing Nikki’s growing anger as Diane taunts her is wonderful.

Victor's ancient jizz was the source of so many fights. Didn't Ashley and Diane have one in the Jabot lab too?

15 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

I love how we’re dissecting this scene lol. Ok I see it now. I just adore how AD plays this scene, savoring every little pause, and MTS expressing Nikki’s growing anger as Diane taunts her is wonderful.

 

Several of the MTS and AD scenes are just expertly done. The praise on the directors, and both actresses, is well deserved.

What I loved about today’s episode was that John was the character asking the questions about how wrong Victor staying away was.  It’s so perfectly in character.  Not just his concern for Jack and his company being taken away again.  John would never let his kids think he was dead, or return in such a shocking and hurtful way.

 

Someone needed to speak to the bad part of Victor’s behavior that had credibility.  They never do stuff like this now.  Same with Lauren being worried that Brad would just go back to Newman.  Yes they all had jobs, but the career stuff was mostly about relationships.

 

Jack walking past Victor on the floor is one of the all time great and most heinous things he ever did.  PB’s Jack lacks the charm Terry had, so to me he always comes across as a spoiled slime ball.

 

I never like Blade.  Seeing him again was a reminder that almost the entire time I watched Y&R back then, there was always one character (besides Cricket) that was a waste of space.  Speaking of Cricket- I hated her during this time.  I think I disliked her more around this time than I did when she was on nearly every day as a teen.

4 hours ago, BetterForgotten said:

Victor's ancient jizz was the source of so many fights. Didn't Ashley and Diane have one in the Jabot lab too?

 

This! It was a masterstroke getting, firstly, Alex Donnelly back as Diane in 1996/7, and then Eileen Davidson back as Ashley a couple of years later. The enmity between these two characters stretches all the way back to the early 80s when Ashley caught Jack and Diane together in bed on the day of Jack’s wedding to Patty, and having the original actresses in those roles cross paths again in the spermgate storyline was just too delicious (no pun intended).

 

Notwithstanding the whole ickyness of that storyline in the first place, it did create (literally) a new generation of legacy characters in Abby and Kyle. Have they ever played up the potential conflict between these two that would arise as a result of how they were conceived?

 

Are there any clips of AD’s Diane and ED’s Ashley together floating around on YT anywhere? It would be fascinating to watch from a historical perspective.

1 hour ago, OzFrog said:

This! It was a masterstroke getting, firstly, Alex Donnelly back as Diane in 1996/7, and then Eileen Davidson back as Ashley a couple of years later. The enmity between these two characters stretches all the way back to the early 80s when Ashley caught Jack and Diane together in bed on the day of Jack’s wedding to Patty, and having the original actresses in those roles cross paths again in the spermgate storyline was just too delicious (no pun intended).

 

 

I agree! As icky as the premise of the storyline was, it helped reignite a feud. In my mind I rationalized it thinking that those women were just looking for an excuse to fight because they hated each other so much. The excuse just happened to be Victor's jizz! lol

 

 

Notwithstanding the whole ickyness of that storyline in the first place, it did create (literally) a new generation of legacy characters in Abby and Kyle. Have they ever played up the potential conflict between these two that would arise as a result of how they were conceived?

 

Knowing Bell's style, I'm 100% that Alden (under Bell's supervision) was going to go for a major custody battle between Victor and Brad over Abby. Imagine the legal details they would have been able to splash around, given how Abby was conceived. The writers used to love those back then. Obviously the new writing team (headed by Jack Smith) was not interested, or talented enough, to go there.

 

As for the potential conflict of having a half-Abbott and half-Newman in Abby and a half-Abbott, half-Jenkins in Kyle, the possibilities were endless! They hinted at some conflict with Abby during Sussman and Alden's 2017 tenure (because of course they knew what they were doing) but as we know, they were not given time to develop anything.

 

 

Are there any clips of AD’s Diane and ED’s Ashley together floating around on YT anywhere? It would be fascinating to watch from a historical perspective.

 

There was the infamous lab fight floating around a few months ago. Can't find the clips any longer. So frustrating! Maybe they were included in some hidden playlist?

 

I'm appalled at the thought that MTS and ES might be the cause behind AD's departure. I just can't with those two. In a way they're extremely talented and irreplaceable. But they must have been quite a duo to deal with over the years. I saw the scene between Nikki and CarlyDiane. MTS was lifeless and bored to death. Can't blame her.

Any chance to see Jill and Victor's heated confrontation from 1996 before Victor was shot? in Victor's office. 

Edited May 13, 20205 yr by asafi

10 hours ago, Chris B said:

I was worried that the 1981 episode would do badly and it would scare them away from airing such old episodes, but it tied GH for #1 and had 2.2 million viewers! Hopefully they take some of the half hour episodes and show them. 

 

Where can I find the ratings for repeat episodes?  How well did the 1981 ep do compared with the others thus far?

41 minutes ago, trainman said:

 

Where can I find the ratings for repeat episodes?  How well did the 1981 ep do compared with the others thus far?

The 1981 episode was done very neatly touching on some storylines that you might have read about but just didn't see the actual players involved in my opinion.

 

That episode clearly was the last week for Vanessa cause not much long after that episode vanessa jumped.

 

The barbara/april/Paul/and her parents story it showed dorothy(April's mom) questioning april about visiting barbara, also barbara had her bandages removed and had a deep conversation with her step dad i think.

 

And can't forget nikki visiting the ranch for the first time and victor acting like a butler for a test, it was a good episode and the music just helped it tremendously.

1 hour ago, trainman said:

 

Where can I find the ratings for repeat episodes?  How well did the 1981 ep do compared with the others thus far?

SON posts ratings every week. It’s always at the top of this forum: https://www.soapoperanetwork.com/2020/05/ratings-report-for-the-week-of-may-4-8-2020

That deep, almost growling sound they used in the 1993 & 1998 episodes (Jack/Victor, Brad/Lauren, Katherine/Jill) is so effective, as well as the overall dark ominous tones of the background music in these scenes. Music plays an important part in creating the mood, and Y&R did it beautifully back in the day. 

23 minutes ago, Chris B said:

SON posts ratings every week. It’s always at the top of this forum: https://www.soapoperanetwork.com/2020/05/ratings-report-for-the-week-of-may-4-8-2020

 

Thank you.  From what I saw, the 1981 episode is the the 2nd highest rated repeat thus far, in terms of the week-long repeats.  They should take that as a clue to dig deeper into the archives, rather than just sit on them forever.  Late 1970's through early '80s were some of my favorites.

Edited May 13, 20205 yr by trainman