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5 minutes ago, Days22 said:

 

Agreed 100 percent.

 

It's absurd honestly 

 

I'll concur on that. I know that they quickly abandoned Philly, but that was the former regime. I believe they should bring it back. It's interesting in a gender twist that Billy has suffered the consequences rather than Phyllis - in terms of public perception in GC. It's usually the WOMAN who must suffer to an extreme. 

 

And, yeah, Hilary's duplicitous ways revolve around BUSINESS. If she was a male aka Victor or Jack, she'd be branded as 'aggressive,' 'shrewd," and 'strong.' However, that's ALWAYS the double-standard applied to strong business women. Imagine if Ashley initiated the eviction or did deals like Victor. 

With Hilary though, it's a cumulative effect because of what happened with Neil/Devon, what she did to Ashley, how she came to town, etc. The character has never been given a 'moral' center that is good. I'm glad they did have Hilary mention her mother at the benefit and more scenes with Jack, where Hilary naturally reveals her vulnerability. What happened today IS a good step to making her a more well-rounded character - at least that my hope. MM has far too much presence to be wasted. She completely commanded those auction scenes and it felt authentic. 

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14 minutes ago, MoTheGreat said:

I believe why they have short amount of guys or girls for a certain age group because they not aging characters right.

 

Well past regimes have ruined so many of them (especially the female characters) that it's almost impossible to bring many of them back.


Y&R could always recast Mackenzie, Heather and/or Avery (or bring Skye back from the dead) to fill out the female half of the 30+ group but since the writers have no idea what to do with Chloe & Chelsea it's best for them to stay gone.

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4 minutes ago, DeeeDee said:

 

Well past regimes have ruined so many of them (especially the female characters) that it's almost impossible to bring many of them back.


Y&R could always recast Mackenzie, Heather and/or Avery (or bring Skye back from the dead) to fill out the female half of the 30+ group but since the writers have no idea what to do with Chloe & Chelsea it's best for them to stay gone.

 

Yeah, but it looks like they aged Billy to fit with Nick & Victoria group. & It seems like Noah can fit in the Mackenzie group now.

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13 minutes ago, edgeofnik said:

However, that's ALWAYS the double-standard applied to strong business women. Imagine if Ashley initiated the eviction or did deals like Victor.

 

Do you remember the viewer reaction to Ashley firing Phyllis after learning she cheated on Jack? Which was around the same time Ashley supported Jack evicting Gloria from the Abbott house.

 

The outcry was crazy. ED was lucky she was able to crossover to B&B.

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Ugh another car accident

 

Nick and Chelsea aren't over Sage and Adam, but I still want them together

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@DeeeDee I'm with you. Not feeling JT as Billy at all.  

 

I totally see what you guys are saying about Hill always on the receiving end of someone's ire but I don't wish to see another black character as a relationship counselor to white characters. I'm happy she's a vixen. We do have "black for pay" Khalil and yr could use Leslie more. 

 

Don't want Hill as a goody 2 shoes so I'm happy with her. BTW, MiM was really bad with he elevator scene. She's got a lot to learn. But I'm looking forward to Hevon's separation and watching them come back together without having that soul draining jackass, Neil, in between them!  

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I really enjoyed today's show. It was light where it should have been and heavy where it should have been. 

 

Ravi is now coming across a little better. He doesn't seem like a stalker. Having him interact with others was a good way to round him out. He speaks a different language...math. his sign was Pi. I loved it. 

 

I felt bad for Chelsea missing Adam and I never cared for her or adam or them together. I'm assuming Sally will keep her and nick as friends then turn this toward Phick 2.0. Wish I cared. 

 

It was obvious that there are only a few legit couples with the small amount of NY kisses. 

 

Mariah does something bad and she's the conquering hero. Every failure she has becomes something good. She's never wrong. Ever. Always painted in the best light. The show continues the propping of her. 

 

Chloe's comment about not apologizing about meting out justice. I hollered. 

 

Hilary is "evil" for possibly causing a trip and fall. Out of all the stuff that Hilary has done, this seems like small potatoes. This is what Devon leaves hilary for? It doesnt add up. 

 

With that said, I'm loving the writing for Devon and Hilary. My shipper heart soars as it breaks. I thought their scenes were very well done. Devon's car scenes could have easily fallen into the cringy cheesy category. But BJ pulled that off very well.  Hilary's wall slide was perfectly executed by MiM. It hurts so good. Now, I hope Sally doesn't derail me into BS. I can't take anymore. Not with these two. 

1 hour ago, YRBB said:

 

Yep. I mean, I don't blame him. He needs the coupling to work to provide him airtime & story. It's what any actor would want.

 

But, man, would it be painful.

 

I wonder about his desperation though. When it comes from actors, I always think they suspect it'll have repercussions on their story long term. I couldn't imagine JM worrying about that though. When has he not been in top 5 in epi counts? Is it ego cause he asked for it? What is he scared of? 

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38 minutes ago, edgeofnik said:

 

I'll concur on that. I know that they quickly abandoned Philly, but that was the former regime. I believe they should bring it back. It's interesting in a gender twist that Billy has suffered the consequences rather than Phyllis - in terms of public perception in GC. It's usually the WOMAN who must suffer to an extreme. 

 

And, yeah, Hilary's duplicitous ways revolve around BUSINESS. If she was a male aka Victor or Jack, she'd be branded as 'aggressive,' 'shrewd," and 'strong.' However, that's ALWAYS the double-standard applied to strong business women. Imagine if Ashley initiated the eviction or did deals like Victor. 

With Hilary though, it's a cumulative effect because of what happened with Neil/Devon, what she did to Ashley, how she came to town, etc. The character has never been given a 'moral' center that is good. I'm glad they did have Hilary mention her mother at the benefit and more scenes with Jack, where Hilary naturally reveals her vulnerability. What happened today IS a good step to making her a more well-rounded character - at least that my hope. MM has far too much presence to be wasted. She completely commanded those auction scenes and it felt authentic. 

 

Everything you said is spot on.

And its not even so much I would like to see Phyllis raked through the coals or anything it is just the vitriol towards Hilary sometimes doesn't fit the crime 

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16 minutes ago, ChitHappens said:

@DeeeDee I'm with you. Not feeling JT as Billy at all.  

 

I totally see what you guys are saying about Hill always on the receiving end of someone's ire but I don't wish to see another black character as a relationship counselor to white characters. I'm happy she's a vixen. We do have "black for pay" Khalil and yr could use Leslie more. 

 

Don't want Hill as a goody 2 shoes so I'm happy with her. BTW, MiM was really bad with he elevator scene. She's got a lot to learn. But I'm looking forward to Hevon's separation and watching them come back together without having that soul draining jackass, Neil, in between them!  

 

I thought she was good in the scene where Devon confronted Hilary. But her alone scenes when she came home looking for him wasn't very good at all. Her finally scene was great IMO. But for all the sh!t folks give Bryton, I think he out acted her. 

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I don't like Hillary treated as evil incarnate but Mariah has a better relationship with most of those people. Their reactions make sense to me even if I don't like it. Are they suppose to praise Hillary for tripping Mariah? (But Mariah should have been just as berated for what she did, too, it should work both ways if they do it at all). But Devon wanting to dump her over it? Was it just to get their crash? I mean, of all things, that's what had him fed up? I guess it was meant to be presented as all of these things adding up to him just finally having enough but still ...

 

And I know Lily still hates Hillary but her standing there glaring at them sipping champagne. Are they trying to make Lily as unlikeable as possible? They need to work on her.

 

I liked Jack going to Hillary and being there for her. But then Victor has to come over and run his big mouth.

 

Meh to Chelsea and Nick. I didn't mind their scenes TBH but I don't care about them at all.

6 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

I thought she was good in the scene where Devon confronted Hilary. But her alone scenes when she came home looking for him wasn't very good at all. Her finally scene was great IMO. But for all the sh!t folks give Bryton, I think he out acted her. 

 

Same.

 

I think he's a better actor than given credit for.

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I thought yesterday's show was rather weak. Where was Lauren and the rest of GC? Why were Kevin and Chloe there?? I thought ATWT did this story better with Lisa and John when he embarrased her in front of ALL of Oakdale. Yes, the show is a tad better but has a long way to go.

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16 minutes ago, Days22 said:

 

Everything you said is spot on.

And its not even so much I would like to see Phyllis raked through the coals or anything it is just the vitriol towards Hilary sometimes doesn't fit the crime 

 

Which is why viewers reactions to Hilary are vitriolic. That's what the show tells them it should be. 

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44 minutes ago, MoTheGreat said:

 

Yeah, but it looks like they aged Billy to fit with Nick & Victoria group. & It seems like Noah can fit in the Mackenzie group now.

 

If anything they've de-aged Victoria and Nick to fit with Billy. I remember when Billy was a year or two older than me. Now he's 10. Nick and Sharon next to this Noah looks ridiculous, they look youthful and he looks his age. I have no idea why they aged up him or Abby or most of their young people because they've done nothing to define who the characters are so why should I care that they're suddenly 25 and f*cking everything that walks?

 

On soaps once you hit a certain age you remain vaguely 30-nth.

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47 minutes ago, ChitHappens said:

@DeeeDee I'm with you. Not feeling JT as Billy at all. 

 

I've always liked him as an actor but he's too serious for Billy.

 

I hated the writing for Billy Miller's Billy & a lot of Billy Miller's acting tics but he got a lot of Billy's spirit right.


That's why I'm not really feeling Jack's ongoing problem over Billy/Phyllis because JT doesn't really have a connection to PB/Jack & because his Billy is too serious for me to believe he'd cheat with his brother's wife (let alone Phyllis).

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2 minutes ago, DeeeDee said:

 

I've always liked him as an actor but he's too serious for Billy.

 

I hated the writing for Billy Miller's Billy & a lot of Billy Miller's acting tics but he got a lot of Billy's spirit right.


That's why I'm not really feeling Jack's ongoing problem over Billy/Phyllis because JT doesn't really have a connection to Jack & because his is too serious for me to believe he'd cheat with his brother's wife (let alone Phyllis).

Totally agree with this!

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