Does this thread even have to exist? C'mon, people! This is nothing but a poor redux of infamous Christel/Davetta thread from a few weeks back. It's not necessary. I could've sworn that we have come to the agreement that some people do not like Christel as Lily, while others accept her warm-heartedly. I guess not.

Now, I'm not going to JOHNNYSBRO for starting the thread, because this is obviously bothering him/her. He/she wants to talk about it. I give him all the credit in the world, although I personally do not find the thread necessary. Just go back a few pages and check out the other thread and you'll see the exact same thing people are posting in here.

Quite frankly, I don't give a damn if you're mixed or not. What you are saying IS racist. You are being racist towards Christel because she doesn't appear/behave in the stereotypical "black" manner. She's not talking with her fingers. She doesn't shake her head every which way when going off on someone. She doesn't say things like, "Hey girl!" or "You my girl!" like Victor Rowell tends to do. SO WHAT!

If you all remember correctly, Lily was raised in Paris. Now I don't have an almanac in front of me, but something tells me that Paris doesn't have many black citizens. It would be unbelievable for Lily to be raised in Paris and come back talking "ghetto" if you will I take it that's what you all want, right?

I will agree that Davetta's portrayl of Lily and Christel's portrayl of Lily are like night and day. It's obvious. However, I will never, ever criticize Christel for acting too "white/Valley Girl/Beverly Hills" to play Lily Winters, because she is the original Lily and if anyone was acting out of character, it was Davetta.

Hey Vetty! Your character grew up in Paris! Why are you portraying her like you grew up in South Central?

"Ghetto"? How is Victoria Rowell or Davetta Sherwood "ghetto"? I guess if I were to go by your definition, Gloria is the most "ghetto" person in Genoa City! You might want to look at some of your own comments before you go off accusing others about being stereotypical.

I 2nd that emption. I would hate to act with her. I just want to beat the [!@#$%^&*] outta here for coming back and thinking she is better than everyone else. Devetta and LML let her come back.

When I watch Christel's Lily to me she acts like a valley girl stuck up snob with her nose in the air. She reminds me of a sorority girl I went to college with. There is no trace of Drucilla in Christel's Lily, she looks like she belongs more in Beverly Hills. She just acts like a valley girl snobby sorority girl. I know Davetta was fired but I really wish Y&R would have just re-cast Lily all together instead of bringing Christel back. It always seems Christel's Lily has her nose up in the air and looking down at others. Does anyone think Christel acts snobby to you on air? I wonder if Christel is like this in real life.

amen tot hat. VR and ESP DS is not ghetto. VR is overly dramatic and over the top not ghetto. DS was no where near ghetto. DS and Dainel have GREAT chemsrty.

I have to disagree. I don't think Paris raises Valley girls. I believe that's an American phenomenon, specifically Southern California. Also Lily was hanging around a "rough" crowd and getting herself into trouble, that's why Dru brought her back to Genoa City. Given that I wouldn't expect Lily to be Valley, weak, and stuck up.

You got it here. This is Dru's child and there is no piece of Dru in her. I don't see any Neil either. She would be better suited as Sharon's child, I think. And for people who like to see realistic families or are fans of Dru, it's bothersome.

DrewHamilton, I remember listening to you on the radio show, you said that Davetta's Lily was not the "type" of girl that would go for a guy like Daniel. Not to mention some of of your comments here and on this thread. If that is not engaging in sterotypes, I don't know what is. Not to mention completely disproven by the fact that Michael and Davetta had great chemistry, chemistry that Davetta admits was not acting. And for the record, in Davetta's run as Lily, she never said things like "Hey girl" or "You my girl". I felt a real connection between Davetta and Victoria Rowell that went beyond they way they acted or the things they said, a connection that is completely nonexistant with Khalil as Lily.

And to be perfectly honest, anyone who calls Davetta's Lily or VR "ghetto", obviously knows nothing about the REAL ghetto.

If you all remember correctly, Lily was raised in Paris. Now I don't have an almanac in front of me, but something tells me that Paris doesn't have many black citizens. It would be unbelievable for Lily to be raised in Paris and come back talking "ghetto" if you will I take it that's what you all want, right?

Um..I think Paris does have a lot of black citizens. Still, considering the fact that Lily was raised in a European, upper class lifestyle (I'm not too savvy on Y&R history so someone correct me if I'm wrong), it should comes as no suprise why she would act like some Valley girl.

WORD. As somebody who dated one of those black citizens who happened to be from Paris, I can vouch for that city's multi-ethnic -- and VERY unpretentious, no bullsh!t -- mix.

No offense, DrewHamilton, this isn't an attack on you personally, but that sort of sweeping comment was really misinformed.

LOL, maybe Lily only talks French ghetto?

i agree, IF lily was raised in PARIS, she might have came back acting "VALLEY" but over time that should wear off by being aroun her mom and dad and nem. Agter seeing DEVETTAS Lily I felt like she is really Drus and Neils Daughter. CK, I just dont like how she acts. Thats all.

Therein lies the rub. I don't care if Davetta returns or not anymore, but I cannot accept Crystal's version of Lily now that I've seen what Dru's daughter should have always been like. And Beverly Hills Valley is NOT it. With Crystal, I don't see Dru's daughter. I don't even see Neil's daughter. And I sure as hell don't see Malcolm's daughter. So who the hell's daughter is she, because she sure didn't sprout from a Winters or Barber's egg?

The travesty of the show will continue when decisions such as these continue to be made.. when actresses like ED are let go and peroxide bimbos like Amber are brought on.. when greats like JD are killed off and returned only the do what he could have done alive. Dead or alive, John is doing the same damn thing, lecturing Jack.

Although, it would have made it difficult for Gloria to engage in a Will fling if John was still alive. Hmmmm.. Let's face it folks! John was killed of to set Gloria free to roam Genoa City in search of male preys without being labeled an adulterer. How is the ghost of John more instrumental to Jack and the Abbotts than Cellblock John? LML is killing the show!!!

As for why we're stuck with a non-Lily, a non-Winters, a non-Barber woman, a spunkless Lily, I will never know. Bad decisions left and right. At this rate, I'd rather LML do a story saying that Dru's daughter was switched at birth with someone else's, and the REAL Lily is out there somewhere. She HAS to be, because Crystal's Lily ain't nowhere near it.

I don't care who has a problem with my post or any reference I make to CK's performance, but she is underwhelming and yes, snobbish in her dictations. It's like this guy said to me on the train a couple weeks ago. "If I weren't looking at you, I could've sworn you were white".

Lily is a stuck up brat who has fallen back into her Valley girl ways, whining about how Paul won't be some gumshoe. Shiiiiiiiiiiiit. DS owned the role of Lily and it's just a shame that the role was recast with this faker. She sucks and I'm going to keep declaring that for as long as I want to. The more threads, the better. It's a free forum. If ou don't want to enter into what you may feel is a repeat discussion, scroll past.

I was waiting for it

Um..I think Paris does have a lot of black citizens. Still, considering the fact that Lily was raised in a European, upper class lifestyle (I'm not too savvy on Y&R history so someone correct me if I'm wrong), it should comes as no suprise why she would act like some Valley girl.

Excuse me for my lack of knowledge on the black population in Paris. I'm just going by what you typically see on television in references to Paris. Not many black people, lol. I know that's ignorant, but I can only say what I know.

DrewHamilton, I remember listening to you on the radio show, you said that Davetta's Lily was not the "type" of girl that would go for a guy like Daniel. Not to mention some of of your comments here and on this thread. If that is not engaging in sterotypes, I don't know what is. Not to mention completely disproven by the fact that Michael and Davetta had great chemistry, chemistry that Davetta admits was not acting. And for the record, in Davetta's run as Lily, she never said things like "Hey girl" or "You my girl". I felt a real connection between Davetta and Victoria Rowell that went beyond they way they acted or the things they said, a connection that is completely nonexistant with Khalil as Lily.

And to be perfectly honest, anyone who calls Davetta's Lily or VR "ghetto", obviously knows nothing about the REAL ghetto.

Yes, I have made that comment, but if you're going to cite what I said, please include the whole conversation. If I can remember correctly, we were talking about the chemistry between Davetta and Michael and Christel and Michael. Someone, I'm not going to mention names, said that Davetta appeared like the type of Lily that came straight out of South Central and could whoop some ass. I agreed. I also said that I couldn't see Davetta, the way she acts, her mannerisms, playing a character that would date a white guy. I still don't. Is that stereotypial? Sure. I will agree that it is. It's my opinion though, just like everyone else makes. DO NOT look down at me for making such a comment when there have been way more harsher things said about Christel on this board. You know who you are.

To you, Michael and Davetta had great chemistry. You cannot speak for everyone, Taraija. You certainly cannot speak for me, because I have to disagree with you on that one. To me, Davetta and Michael had zero chemistry. I felt that that the couple was forced and they lost a lot of popularity since Davetta stepped into the role. They've had basically nothing to do after they got married. They became boring, unlike how they were when Christel was playing Lily. I was interested. They were great together. It didn't seem forced. I started hating the couple because of the lack of chemistry.

This is what I don't get! People talk about how Christel is not "black" enough to play the role of Lily. People are saying that she is too "white" to play Drucilla's daughter. Taraija, I don't know if you are one of those people that feel that way. That was not supposed to be towards the people that don't like Christel's acting. That comment was meant for those that made the racist comment that Christel isn't "black" enough to play Lily. I don't care if you have every single nationality circulating through your blood, what was said was racist.

As for my comments about "Hey girl" or "You my girl" that was meant for the people that said that Lily needs to start acting more "black". Yes, people have said that. Don't try to get anything started here, because that's not what I meant. I totally understand that a black character doesn't need such lines, but when you insult the actress for being too "white" to play that role, you are just as racist as any other person making that comment.

Taraija, if you are talking about the chemisrtry between Davetta and Victoria and Victoria and Christel, I toally see your point. Davetta had tons more chemistry with Victoria than Christel does. However, Christel has more chemistry with Kristoff than Davetta ever could. Davetta never came off as Neil's daughter as much as Christel does. You can see the chemistry.

DrewHamiliton, I have no idea why are you singling me out. I have never called CK too white. Please direct those comments to the people who said them. And as far as what you said on the radio show. You said, and I'm quoting you:

Someone, I'm not going to mention names, said that Davetta appeared like the type of Lily that came straight out of South Central and could whoop some ass. I agreed. I also said that I couldn't see Davetta, the way she acts, her mannerisms, playing a character that would date a white guy.

You don't realize how sterotypical and ignorant that sounds. I guess not. I'm not calling you ignorant, but to say that Davetta is not the type of girl to date a white guy is very ignorant statement. Yes, it's your opinion and you have a right to it, but I'm just telling you how I feel about it.

I was signalling you in reference to what you said. I thought I made it perfectly clear that the "too white" comments were made towards those that said them. I guess not.

I said that it was ignorant of me to say. I'll admit that. I do realize how stereoypical it is and I think I said that as well. Do you read the whole entire post or just what you want to comment on?

. Someone, I'm not going to mention names, said that Davetta appeared like the type of Lily that came straight out of South Central and could whoop some ass. I agreed. I also said that I couldn't see Davetta, the way she acts, her mannerisms, playing a character that would date a white guy. I still don't. Is that stereotypial? Sure. I will agree that it is. It's my opinion though, just like everyone else makes.

Yeah, there. I thought I said that I realized how wrong I may be. Next time, please read everything before you start commenting. Thanks!

I said that it was ignorant of me to say. I'll admit that. I do realize how stereoypical it is and I think I said that as well.

Yeah, there. I thought I said that I realized how wrong I may be.

OK..I can accept that. I missed that part of the post and I did not purposely overlook it. I just find it a little hypocritical to jump on people for calling CK "too white", but engage in sterotypical comments about Davetta being "ghetto" yourself. But I guess I should respect your willingness to admit it.

How do your mannerisms dictate what race you date? I guess extroverts don't date introverts according to some of the logic in this thread.

Yeah, there. I thought I said that I realized how wrong I may be. Next time, please read everything before you start commenting. Thanks!

Next time, try to be less condescending. You realize that you're the only one mentioning the other thread, right? You seem incredibly focused on what this thread is not about as opposed to what it is, which is CK's presence.

I disagree that she comes off snobby, her accent (which really Y&R should suggest she do something about, its distracting and not "too white", it's too annoying, I'd say the same if the girl was the same shade as Elmer's glue) might be but she comes off as not too bright and absurdly immature for what Lily has been through over the past 3 years (not that DS played her as some sort of Rhodes Scholar, she just had more of a grounded down to earth quality that I enjoyed, she didn't vacillate between between happy and suicidal during a single scene). It's funny that Lily wasn't criticized by some when she was a dimbulb by way of Paris. Lily acted like a brat when she first came to town and I don't recall posts saying that she should be more cultured because she's from Paris. It was only when DS was hired that suddenly everyone came out of the woodwork claiming that someone from the Great and Wonderful Paree should speak the Queen's English and I guess complete mathematical equations while doing a curtsey.

How do your mannerisms dictate what race you date? I guess extroverts don't date introverts according to some of the logic in this thread.

It's funny how everyone pulls this out of the woodwork about a month later. Where were you all when this was going down and the thread was still up that we were talking about that night? I'm not even going to comment on it because it's been a month and I've moved on. You should really do the same

Next time, try to be less condescending. You realize that you're the only one mentioning the other thread, right? You seem incredibly focused on what this thread is not about as opposed to what it is, which is CK's presence.

Umm, okay. Lets see, does CK's presence on the show have anything to do with her being too white to play Lily? I didn't think so. You all should be commenting on her acting for the most part. I don't have a problem with that. However, you shouldn't comment on the the way she talks or appearing not black enough to play Lily. That's nothing Christel can do about it. All she can do is be the good actress that she is.

I admit that I'm not liking CKLily too much this time around. Oh well. I don't watch for the teens anyways.

I admit that I'm not liking CKLily this time around. Oh well. I don't watch for the teens anyways.

And that's a comment I don't have a problem for. DruRocks simply doesn't like Lily, or teens for that matter. She's not enjoying Christel's Lily and I respect her for that. She's not going off and verbally assaulting Christel in a personal manner.

Oh, for Christ's sake! I HATE ABHOR CAN'T STAND Crystal's version of Lily because it bares no resemblance to any freakin member of the family. On her most uppity day, Olivia had more SOUL, LIFE, FLAVOR than CK will EVER have.

I HATE HER Lily. And I will keep saying so until she's off my screen. She can't act worth crap, and brings nothing to scenes but the horsey whine that grates on my damn nerves.

I think she is AWFUL, and that's why she couldn't find work and had to come back with some lame ass, convuluted, constantly revolving story about why she left and is back.

Big whoop. She's still lackluster and horrible at portraying Lily Winters, Drucilla's daughter, daughter of a self-proclaimed DIVA with flare.

And for the record, Paris has lots of black people. Every year when I go, I see people of all colors around me.. Africans, Caribbeans, Middle Eastern, etc.

I come across quite a few from different economic levels who mimick the "Americans," and I've yet to hear the sound of the valley from them. The palest and most sequestered Parisienne has more umph and flavor than the Crystal girl. And THAT will forever kill the Lily character for me. Color ain't got nothing to do with it. Flavor, chemistry, and convincing acting does--none of which I see in this new/old Lily.