7 minutes ago, GMac said:

Yeah, I still don't get it.  A couple throw away lines are not the beginnings of an effort to remove the Barbers from the shows history, regardless if Lily is the only blood of theirs left.  

 

 

Which she isn't. She has Charlie and Maddie.

46 minutes ago, Juliajms said:

Which she isn't. She has Charlie and Maddie.

 

Oh snap.  True.

 

 

I'm hoping that when the new writers can move past the old storylines that it will be back to the soap we all love.

They writers have mentioned Mamie via the Abbott's so clearly she isn't forgotten. Also, there is only so much the writers can do now. They're clearly just in repair mode getting the characters back how they should be written, the tone of the show down and setting up for the future. Sussman has hardly even had any time to fire people (which is bound to come) and introduce new characters that will tie into her new stories. She hasn't even been on a month lol. Give her time. The show has made incredible strides in such a short time. I haven't seen a turnaround this successful for a show that was this bad in YEARS. 

Yeah, count me in as one who does not think the show is trying to wipe out the Barber family from show's history just cause they spoke of Mrs Martinez' history. Mamie and Lillie Bell are Johnsons (maiden name) anyway, right? But I tell you, I'd be ecstatic if Cane died and lily got rid of that made up Ashby name and her and her kids started going by "Barber-Winters".  I've always taken issue with the fact that Devon maintained Hamilton onscreen when his official name was Devon Hamilton Winters. I always felt like there was a concerted effort to keep him separate for some disgusting pairing with lily. But I digress....

 

I also would love if they used Mrs Martinez to bring on a new core family. I like her. Its a formula that worked well before. And Y&R is nothing if not formulaic.  I think there is a decent possibility this could happen. 

45 minutes ago, Chris B said:

They writers have mentioned Mamie via the Abbott's so clearly she isn't forgotten. Also, there is only so much the writers can do now. They're clearly just in repair mode getting the characters back how they should be written, the tone of the show down and setting up for the future. Sussman has hardly even had any time to fire people (which is bound to come) and introduce new characters that will tie into her new stories. She hasn't even been on a month lol. Give her time. The show has made incredible strides in such a short time. I haven't seen a turnaround this successful for a show that was this bad in YEARS. 

 

I'm not sure anyone is damning SSM, but the whole retconned childhood memories with a character who wasn't around then will always be contrived. If MAB or Pratt or whoever had done it they would have been panned. 

14 hours ago, GMac said:

Let me understand this.  Ms. Martinez has a line or two about watching the kids grow up, the writers are angling to wipe the Barbers off the canvas?  Really?

 

I don't get it.

 

14 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

Mamie was mentioned in Sally's first episode at the Abbott breakfast.

 

14 hours ago, GMac said:

Yeah, I still don't get it.  A couple throw away lines are not the beginnings of an effort to remove the Barbers from the shows history, regardless if Lily is the only blood of theirs left.  

 

 

 

+1

 

9 hours ago, DRW50 said:

but the whole retconned childhood memories with a character who wasn't around then will always be contrived. If MAB or Pratt or whoever had done it they would have been panned. 

 

Not really that big of a deal! It was one line during a Christmas Eve episode, there purely for emotional holiday brouhaha reasons. It gave me pause, but it is thoroughly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

 

And you're right MAB or Pratt would be panned, because this would be additional to their horrible stories and character assassinations. If MAB or Pratt wrote a good show too, people would move on just the same, especially in the early stage during a holiday episode. 

 

Like mentioned, the show is better and they're making genuine efforts to make it good. Some viewers are trying too hard to hate on the show already, and the material onscreen doesn't correspond to that. 

 

Merry Christmas! 

If people see such mild comments as "hate," then all I can say is they must feel the show isn't in in that strong a position after all, but anyway, Merry Christmas. 

Merry Christmas! 

 

I'm hearing some really good things are coming soon on the show. I'm really excited about it. 

32 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

If people see such mild comments as "hate," then all I can say is they must feel the show isn't in in that strong a position after all, but anyway, Merry Christmas. 

 

Ugh. It was just the random word I used. Like, "hate on so-and-so." An expression. Besides, it wasn't just about the most recent comments.

 

I suppose if people only have the slightest continuity errors to complain about then it must not be that bad, after all. But, anyway, Merry Christmas.

Edited December 25, 20168 yr by YRBB

2 hours ago, YRBB said:

1 hour ago, ajsp35801 said:

Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas! 

 

Merry Christmas y'all 

Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah 

The show has gotten incredibly better, it's enjoyable and that's not an opinion, that's a fact lol. We can all nitpick on details but we must give credit where credit is due. Happy Hanukkah

Edited December 25, 20168 yr by Aback

Happy Holidays!

14 hours ago, Chris B said:

They writers have mentioned Mamie via the Abbott's so clearly she isn't forgotten. Also, there is only so much the writers can do now. They're clearly just in repair mode getting the characters back how they should be written, the tone of the show down and setting up for the future. Sussman has hardly even had any time to fire people (which is bound to come) and introduce new characters that will tie into her new stories. She hasn't even been on a month lol. Give her time. The show has made incredible strides in such a short time. I haven't seen a turnaround this successful for a show that was this bad in YEARS. 

 

Yes! Everyone read this post. Stories will start taking shape. It's not even been a month!