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15 hours ago, kalbir said:

@yrfan1983 @BoldRestless @will81 Bill Bell lost interest in Nathan when Shemar Moore blew up in popularity.

That seems plausible.

Whatever the impetus for the diminution of the character, with each recast it seemed as if Nathan became increasingly generic. Lazare seemed talented enough but Nathan appeared to be devoid of charisma by the time Lazare had his turn.  I may not have fully realized it then, but in retrospect, that final storyline was pushing Nathan off the canvas, by first making the character as unlikeable a character as one can get, so presumably when his demise came, he wouldn't be as greatly missed as he would've been had he stayed the version of the character portrayed by Nathan Purdee.

 

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Re watching the 1996 story uploaded to YT 'The shooting of Victor Newman'.. and it seems TPTB had plans for Victor/Christine's relationship.. and Boy, Nikki was Jealous! 

I must admit, I can see the chemistry despite the age difference. Paul/Christine is a really boring couple, I wonder why TPTB changed direction here... 

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19 hours ago, asafi said:

Re watching the 1996 story uploaded to YT 'The shooting of Victor Newman'.. and it seems TPTB had plans for Victor/Christine's relationship.. and Boy, Nikki was Jealous! 

I must admit, I can see the chemistry despite the age difference. Paul/Christine is a really boring couple, I wonder why TPTB changed direction here... 

Yes it did look like Bill Bell was alluding to a Victor/Christine pairing but thankfully we were spared. 

Nikki was at her mid-1990s snooty lady of the manor peak when she confronted Christine about Christine getting too close to Victor.

 

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31 minutes ago, kalbir said:

Yes it did look like Bill Bell was alluding to a Victor/Christine pairing but thankfully we were spared. 

Nikki was at her mid-1990s snooty lady of the manor peak when she confronted Christine about Christine getting too close to Victor.

 

I second this. At the time I was cringing at the idea and am thankful they brought Diane back and got her involved with Victor, though I am not happy with how her character ended up by the time Alex Donnelly left.

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So as the never-ending story of Victor's 1996 shooting finally ending soon, for some reason TPTB had Mari Jo Mason kidnap Christine in some bizarre plot twist and hold her hostage.. sorry, but this behavior is uncharacteristic for the manipulative and calculated Mary jo.. why the heck would she kidnap Victor's lawyer, the fiancee of a renowned private detective? there is no going back from this ridiculous act. 

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3 hours ago, asafi said:

So as the never-ending story of Victor's 1996 shooting finally ending soon, for some reason TPTB had Mari Jo Mason kidnap Christine in some bizarre plot twist and hold her hostage.. sorry, but this behavior is uncharacteristic for the manipulative and calculated Mary jo.. why the heck would she kidnap Victor's lawyer, the fiancee of a renowned private detective? there is no going back from this ridiculous act. 

It was pretty ridiculous but I guess there wasn’t room for someone like Mari Jo on canvas especially with Phyllis on at the same time? Granted Mari Jo had always been a leery, treacherous femme fatale type character but her meltdown was OOC and of course there’s no going back when a character attacks the show’s heroine Cricket .

Also for some reason The Who Shot Victor missed two important story beats that should have been included: 1) Jill having a one night stand with Ryan and 2) Victor doing something to piss off Jack and/or John for the last time. Brad’s motive was solid; Jill’s was pretty weak but it would have been more interesting if she had actually slept with Ryan, Victor knew and held it over head because he would tell Nina and Victoria. For the second beat Victor could have seen green and was in the process of selling the Jabot name off to another rival conglomerate much to Jack & John’s chagrin; yet somehow Victor’s shooting came at a time when Victor, Jack and John were all playing very nice with each other. Mari Jo shooting Victor over a Fax about her past and for the love of Jack just didn’t ring true.

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On 8/21/2021 at 1:01 PM, soapfan770 said:

It was pretty ridiculous but I guess there wasn’t room for someone like Mari Jo on canvas especially with Phyllis on at the same time? Granted Mari Jo had always been a leery, treacherous femme fatale type character but her meltdown was OOC and of course there’s no going back when a character attacks the show’s heroine Cricket .

Also for some reason The Who Shot Victor missed two important story beats that should have been included: 1) Jill having a one night stand with Ryan and 2) Victor doing something to piss off Jack and/or John for the last time. Brad’s motive was solid; Jill’s was pretty weak but it would have been more interesting if she had actually slept with Ryan, Victor knew and held it over head because he would tell Nina and Victoria. For the second beat Victor could have seen green and was in the process of selling the Jabot name off to another rival conglomerate much to Jack & John’s chagrin; yet somehow Victor’s shooting came at a time when Victor, Jack and John were all playing very nice with each other. Mari Jo shooting Victor over a Fax about her past and for the love of Jack just didn’t ring true.

Actually back in 1996, people kind of cheered on Mari Jo for torturing the Bug.  Some even said she found an effective way of shutting the bug up.(drugging her).

I do.wonder how different the show would have been hav Mari Jo not been the shooter. Jack / Mari Jo were a good match...the few pairings of his that worked.

Personally, since Stafford ended up quitting in 1997 anyway, maybe have Phyllis be the shooter.  She meant to shoot Christine and got Victor by mistake.  Phyllis would have kidnapped Chris and tortured her..would be in total character.

I think 1996 was when Bell's health started to decline..imho

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8 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

Actually back in 1996, people kind of cheered on Mari Jo for torturing the Bug.  Some even said she found an effective way of shutting the bug up.(drugging her).

I do.wonder how different the show would have been hav Mari Jo not been the shooter. Jack / Mari Jo were a good match...the few pairings of his that worked.

Personally, since Stafford ended up quitting in 1997 anyway, maybe have Phyllis be the shooter.  She meant to shoot Christine and got Victor by mistake.  Phyllis would have kidnapped Chris and tortured her..would be in total character.

I think 1996 was when Bell's health started to decline..imho

I would have 100% been okay with that, tbh. Phyllis always kind of annoyed me, even under Bell, so to be rid of her in favour of Mari Jo, who absolutely fascinated me, and could have absolutely been a long-term, calculated schemer, would have worked for me, 100%. Having her go off the rails was a letdown, and, yeah, was a sign Bell's health was in decline.

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1 hour ago, BoldRestless said:

I've added all the episodes from my December 2006 DVDs to the Vault. The only episode missing is December 22, 2006... hoping someone here can add that!  

Thanks for all you do!

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In 1974, Lee Phillip Bell presented 2 documentaries on the CBS Chicago station WBBM 'The Rape of Paulette' and 'Why Are You So Afraid of Breast Cancer?'. Those two topics were a big part of Y&R around that time.

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31 minutes ago, skebujebu said:

Thank you! I actually loved 2006 I know, most people don`t lol…  

As I was editing the videos I kept thinking parts of this are not so bad (especially compared to today!). I'll be adding some November 2008 episodes as I edit them. 

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