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On 6/11/2019 at 1:20 AM, j swift said:

 

 

I guess the Bauers were all "good guys" and that is the characteristic feature of the family?  

 

Not at all and that’s why they were my favorite soap family. To me, the Hughes family were the”good guys” and more boring family. Trudy hated Meta. Meta shot and killed her husband. Bill was an alcoholic who cheated on Bert several times. Bert was a nagging shrew in her younger years. Mike was a womanizer who drove the mother of his child to suicide and committed adultery with the wife of a crippled man. Ed was an alcoholic who beat one wife and cheated on another wife, indirectly causing her death. The only real “good guys” would probably be Papa Bauer, Mama Bauer, Chuckie, Hope, Hilary, Maureen, Rick and Michelle. That’s a pretty big number but the greater Bauer family was always so complex. I love the Hughes family but they were a little “too good” for a soap family. 

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I thought Jean Carol's Nadine and Simon's Ed would have been interesting! She would bring the warmth and fun to Ed. Actually, I would have recast Simon, I thought he was a cold fish, but Ed and Nadine would have been fun and took Nadine out of Buzz (EWWWW) orbit.

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@BillBauer I agree that not all Bauers were good guys.  Upon reflection, I don't even think Rick was very virtuous.  He had multiple affairs, he cheated in med school with Claire, and he practiced while under the influence with Annie.  It is a flaw in my writing/posting style that I always wind up comparing characters which causes more a focus on the comparison as opposed to the original comment.  

 

@Mitch I never noticed how much I didn't enjoy Peter Simon's characterization until I watched Springfielder's YT profiles.  He was so stiff and stuffy, and not at all sexy. 

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20 hours ago, Fevuh said:

No one ever mentions it, but Jean Carol - when she took on the role of Nadine, won the Soap Opera Digest award for best/favorite newcomer.  This was a huge deal given that everyone knew that NBC and ABC's fan clubs for DAYS and GH would send the magazines to members and buy many many copies and mail in the votes.  If CBS did, it certainly was not for ATWT or GL.  So for her to win an SOD award which was nothing more than a popularity contest, it said alot.  The CBS/GL people could not have done it on their own...alot of other people voted for her.  She did get a raw deal - I said in other places...Ellen Parker being let go (Maureen), was not the only nail in the coffin.  They made the mistake of letting really popular actresses go...Jean Carol/Nadine, but I also think Jenna/Fiona Hutchinson.  Her relationship with Henry was really nice. 

 

Nadine's exit actually bothered me more than Maureen's. At least Mo was given a big, very dramatic, exquisitely written, beautifully produced send-off. Nadine's was quick and cheesy and ultimately macabre (didn't they find her decomposed body on Christmas Eve or something like that?). But the fans did not cry out, as I recall, even though it was a loss of a considerable talent.

 

Jenna's death was at least more heart-wrenching but, yes, also needless and ill-advised.

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On 6/10/2019 at 1:16 AM, Paul Raven said:

If only Mary stuart had gone straight to GL following SFT's demise.

It would be natural for Meta to return at that time following Bert's passing and Mary would have been in better health.

Maybe Meta returns with a long lost Bauer (Trudy's son?) rather than the ill advised Jack & Lainie

 

Mary was in talks to join GL in 1987. She stated so in one interview. However, her character was to be called Hannah Bauer. That was during the period Sheri Anderson was head writer. I'm not sure how Hannah was supposed to be related to the rest of the Bauer family.

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1 hour ago, redontop4 said:

Nadine's exit actually bothered me more than Maureen's. At least Mo was given a big, very dramatic, exquisitely written, beautifully produced send-off. Nadine's was quick and cheesy and ultimately macabre

My recollection is slightly different.  Nadine's murder was shocking because it raised the stakes in Brent's plot to where it felt like any character could be at risk.  Most soap serial killers only kill off superfluous characters, so when someone that close to Lucy died it had a great deal of impact. 

 

Although, your point is well taken that Mo's family got better written, (and performed), grieving scenes.  The exception is that most of her family of origin wasn't around to watch grieve by the time she left this mortal coil.

 

Also, I vaguely recall that SOW did not have spoilers that the actress was leaving, which contributed to the surprise.  However, I think that the SOW editors did not approve of either the violence or the loss of the character.

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49 minutes ago, robbwolff said:

 

Mary was in talks to join GL in 1987. She stated so in one interview. However, her character was to be called Hannah Bauer. That was during the period Sheri Anderson was head writer. I'm not sure how Hannah was supposed to be related to the rest of the Bauer family.

 

Oh wow. Now that you mention that, I vaguely remember it. Given the year, I’m sure they were going to link her to the fake Bauers (Jack, Lanie, Johnny and Lacey). 

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Having a lighthearted comedic character (which is what Nadine was at the time) succumb to such violence was tasteless and is on the same level of Frankie's death on AW (interestingly, didn't these happen within one year of another?).

 

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26 minutes ago, MichaelGL said:

Having a lighthearted comedic character (which is what Nadine was at the time) succumb to such violence was tasteless and is on the same level of Frankie's death on AW (interestingly, didn't these happen within one year of another?).

 

Brent killed Nadine in October of 95. Fairfax murdered Frankie on August 29,1996.

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Watching some May 1993 episodes that include Frank & Eleni's wedding.

 

I've just thought of the possibility that with the raucous, block party-like atmosphere on Fifth Street, Frank & Eleni just may have had the original Big, Fat Greek Wedding (both families were Greek). 

 

(Steve & Betsy on ATWT had a Greek wedding nearly a decade before. Theirs was highly traditional, albeit beautiful ceremony, while Frank & Eleni's had a more celebratory feel).

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On 6/15/2019 at 12:13 AM, KateW said:

Today (June 14) marks 30 years since Christopher Bernau passed away. RIP.

 

The other day I came across this clip on Youtube. It’s a 1984 clip with Chris Bernau and Beverley McKinsey, when Alex forced Alan to hand over control of Spaulding Enterprises to her. This was so delicious to watch!

 

 

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