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Did Rachel say she read in a magazine that her part was being recast? I'm so glad that Ellen Parker didn't hold back about exactly how she found out about Maureen's fate. The show/JFP was truly cold, these actors deserved better than to be treated with so little courtesy.

Shirley Chisolm and Malcolm X wouldn't have been Black enough for those people, so I'm just going to go on ahead and ignore that waste of my time. This is outrageous. Hopefully the people of Ohio will not let him get away with this.

Is. Her father is very much still alive. The Republicans are going back to to the "birther" well because it worked so well in stopping Obama from getting to the White House. Oh wait.

This Republican strategist, I kid you not, called Kamala Harris a "safe, boring" pick for Joe, then, in less than five minutes, calls her a radical leftists. Last night you have Dinesh D'Souza out here making a fool of out himself, claiming that Kamala is not Black, descended from a British slavemaster, yet claiming Jamaica had no history of slavery. These Republicans are out here embarrassing themselves. What a mess. Interesting that one of the largest media outlets in India chose this image for their social media feed.

Nicole Wallace of MSNBC stated that Kamala Harris is the VP pick that Trump fears the most. It is the grilling that Barr received from Harris and her sharp debate ability that put the fear in. Remember, just two weeks ago, Trump tried to compliment Harris.

Folks and their opinions will make your head spin. Usually, it's best to tune it out. This though, I couldn't resist. I'm ignoring the messenger.

misogyny, misogynoir, xenophobia, etc. Kamala has had to deal with this for years, which I believe has steeled her resolve. Personally, I've had to deal with all of these as well, so, although I don't plan on exposing myself to toxic comments in media, I will not wilt in the face of it either.

Khaaaaannnn! So glad to see you post. Some time off from social is often necessary but are you alright? Just as long as you're doing okay. My mom is so thrilled!

Didn't want to jinx it, but when I saw the DNC schedule of speakers and saw that Kamala Harris was the penultimate speaker, right before Joe Biden, I just knew she was the VP pick. Kamala was my #1 pick, so I'm really glad about this development.

I was recently discussing this very issue with someone. There is an alarming number of schools that do not even have windows, or very few, if they do.

Reminds me of the premise behind the musical The Producers. People think the idea of purposely setting out to destroy something is farce but P&G prove the concept it is very real. Lily's a "lifer". They were never going to kill off a character that has been on the show since 1984. I know most people tend to think of Martha as Lily but the character predates Byrne and obviously had as much longevity as Lucinda. The fact that three actresses have played the character speaks to the enduring quality of the character, at least in the minds of the production staff and execs, regardless of what any of us may think. Personally, I just didn't see Rose ever having that type of longevity, since imo, the character was written as overly-broad.

Speaking as someone who writes and has tried to do without outlines, I can tell you that it is likely that ATWT dispensed with any degree of detail in story plans. If they did, it was likely a thumbnail sketch, compared to what Marland did. The stories in the wake of MADD and beyond had all the hallmarks of stories written without much of a plan, certainly not a well-thought out one. It showed so much.

Exactly. I could mention at least one site that has those characteristics that you speak of, but I won't, lol.😬🤐 The echo chambers and lack of critical analysis, out of fear that any critique would somehow land the show in cancellation was far more of a problem, imo. The exec-producers were never challenged to improve or adapt and the show stagnated itself into cancellation anyway. It's likely because the storylines weren't planned beyond a few weeks. One salient point that I have gleaned from these Locher Room livestreams with the actors is that Marland, in particular had storyline projections for at least a year or more. He had it physically mapped out, but wasn't rigid about being able to make adjustments as he saw things unfold. One thing that I learned early on is that the more specific you are in your outlines, the more freedom you have in your capability to adjust for the unforeseen because you've taken the time to build a stronger story foundation in which to lay everything out.

Totally random thought but, have we ever discussed the fact that the show had two characters named Denise just a bit over a decade apart?

ITA with this assessment. Y&R does some awful writing of their women characters. It's disappointing to sometimes read the misogynistic comments on the female characters. The characterizations drove me away from watching these shows many years ago. Sometimes people don't understand that there is a difference between writing a sense of agency for a woman character and simply sticking her in a storyline in order to drive story for the male character. I'm not sure that many viewers take this under consideration but I do think the writing is to blame for this. Writers rooms got stale and became enamored of too much "group-think" and some may not agree but I think there was too much "pulpy" screenwriting-tic tendencies in the writing for ATWT in the last decade or so of the show. As an aside--I've written screenplays and I've written plays and I've even written written a couple television scripts and they are NOT the same, each calls for a different way of thinking and writing. It is not easy and a lot can go wrong when it is not done with consideration. In theater, everyone (including the writer) is prepared to have to do everything in one take, because on stage there are no second chances, which makes it an easier transition to the pace of soaps where things move at a more frenetic, less predictable pace. I've been on stage where an actor fumbled their lines or someone did something that was not rehearsed (I once was onstage where one actor, who had supposedly practiced a slap, ended up slapping a co-star so hard, it left a mark for the rest of the first Act!) and you have to roll with the punches (or slap). I've also been in the front row (or in the back) and had to witness an actor completely garble a piece of dialogue I had written and had to stifle my reflexive reaction. In theater, there are no second takes. Ever been on the set of a film? I have. You can literally have a director who does 12 takes of a character nodding because they want the sunlight to frame the character's face in a specific scene. And if the scene absolutely needs that shot, as long as there is sunlight, they're going to keep doing it until they get the right shot in frame. In soaps, they might do one or two shots, then move on because, no one has a movie budget for daytime (not even in the bigger-budget of the 80s). But I digress...lol.

The Kyle/Summer pairing might have had a lot more zest if Donnelly's Diane were still around. Hell, Phyllis likely would've had more zest from the boring incarnation that occupies the latest iteration.

Sanchez of Bel Air is the first series that comes to mind whenever I saw Santoni but I guess since it was so short-lived not many people remember this. Looking back from a cultural context, it makes me wonder whether there were any complaints about an actor of European portraying what was essentially supposed to be a Mexican-American character, although I'm not sure whether the country of origin was made explicit during the series.

Thanks @slick jones@victoria foxton I came across scenes of Newman and Walker together and wondered whether this was the reason they decided to pair the two on GL.

Wasn't sure where to put this article but it might fit in this thread, in an odd way. While reading this article on when Black people appear on Seinfeld, I couldn't help but irony of Sonya Eddy's character Epiphany and her relationship to the GH canvas (an oft-discussed topic on this board), juxtaposed with Eddy being mentioned here as portraying one of the few Black characters on Seinfeld who actually gets to drive the comic direction in scenes with the core characters. https://www.vulture.com/2020/08/seinfeld-rewatch-close-read.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab The other character mentioned as having comedic agency, Jackie Chiles was portrayed by Phil Morris, who portrayed Tyrone Jackson, whose controversial role in a oft-discussed mob storyline on Y&R. Surely, I can't be the only one seeing the irony here!

Wow, that's a definite reason to tune in. On a separate note, I had no idea that Robert Newman (Josh) made a detour to Santa Barbara. Does anyone know how long he was on the show?

So glad that I missed the most recent episode of The Locher Room as I have a very low tolerance for bull-s*hit. Hopefully Victoria Rowell can have Susan Dansby on her podcast where I can listen. Maybe she can have Tamara Tunie too, seeing as Tunie clearly can't stand the prospect of having to go on this livestream and have to lie and make nice regarding her experience on ATWT.