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5 hours ago, Vee said:

On a brighter note, bc I'm ignorant I had no idea until recently that Irna had done the 'heroic other woman' story at least twice - once with Kim but also with Edith Hughes. That was news to me and no one else, I'm sure. Is any of Edith still around online?

Barring a trove somewhere, not much. Here is one:

 

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In typical Soap Central fashion, that resolution it didn’t quite happen that way at all lol

“ In December 2000, it was mentioned in a conversation with Nancy, Bob and a visiting Penny that Dr. George Frey had passed away weeks earlier and that Edith went to then live with John and Marian Hughes in North Carolina.”

On the flip side, I have always wondered if John & Marian ever had any children and why they were never utilized later on. 

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This episode is a joyride.

The cat and mouse between Craig and Lucinda, Craig's taunting and Lucinda's triumphant expression when she calls his bluff and realizes she's guessed right and Craig's reaction when he realizes this, is a dynamic that writers just couldn't get right in the later iterations of Craig. Add his skulking around Sierra (I could've sworn I saw Finn trying to stifle a surreptitious urge to laugh when she and Scott suddenly face each other in the corner). The blocking in this scene is impeccable with Craig practically becoming an immovable object that Sierra can't avoid and Tonio fuming.

Margo's scenes with Shannon and Harriet are hilarious. Hillary Bailey Smith's facial expressions add even more hilarity. I wonder if they were all able to get through that in one take, or at least without bursting into complete laughter.

https://youtu.be/rE109Qu7HQM

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In hindsight, as much as I am charmed by Finn, she seems poorly cast in the role of Sierra.  Not only was she anglicized in role as the daughter of Latin American revolutionary, but she also lacked the sex appeal to be in a believable triangle with Emily Stewart and Tonio.  The haircut was iconic, but it strained credulity that Tonio would be torn between her and Emily based on appearance.

She could have been the step-child of Martin Guest, or Lucinda's niece, and the story would have played out the same way with Craig.

One hopes that in the current culture an audience would be a bit more vocal about the casting of women from Latin American as played by Finn Carter, Cali Timmons, or Kristina Wagner

 

 

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I think Finn is actually great, but until recently I'd never seen her in anything other than Tremors which I've loved for decades so I'm a bit biased.

Obviously that casting would never fly today, but I do think she's great with everyone involved.

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That was a fun episode. I loved Craig and Lucinda back in the day and still think they should have continued their affair. 
 

I enjoyed Finn Carter as Sierra and found her very believable as Lucinda’s daughter. I  thought she was a killjoy when she made appearances in the early 90s, however. As to her casting, the issue is real. Perhaps an argument could be made her father was of Spanish ancestry. I don’t think the father was a revolutionary, he was one of the leaders and an aristocrat- just like Tonio’s family.

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50 minutes ago, lilyredd said:

That was a fun episode. I loved Craig and Lucinda back in the day and still think they should have continued their affair. 
 

I enjoyed Finn Carter as Sierra and found her very believable as Lucinda’s daughter. I  thought she was a killjoy when she made appearances in the early 90s, however. As to her casting, the issue is real. Perhaps an argument could be made her father was of Spanish ancestry. I don’t think the father was a revolutionary, he was one of the leaders and an aristocrat- just like Tonio’s family.

It was really a ONS. Lucinda explained that they knew each other before they had met her. Later she explained to John that they sought comfort in each other's arms because of grief.

Personally, I think they worked much better as antagonists, that's where the heat came from. Marland was smart not to revisit this, imo. Today's soaps show no such restraint and continue to beat old story threads to death. A mistake.

50 minutes ago, lilyredd said:

That was a fun episode. I loved Craig and Lucinda back in the day and still think they should have continued their affair. 
 

I enjoyed Finn Carter as Sierra and found her very believable as Lucinda’s daughter. I thought she was a killjoy when she made appearances in the early 90s, however. As to her casting, the issue is real. Perhaps an argument could be made her father was of Spanish ancestry. I don’t think the father was a revolutionary, he was one of the leaders and an aristocrat- just like Tonio’s family.

The only issue is her Southern accent afaic, There are people who look just Sierra in any Central and Latin America with the influx of Germans in the post WWII period (ahem, we all know why) and their German descendants stayed. Telenovelas are full to the brim with actors/characters who look like Finn and they were born and raised in countries like Mexico, Argentina and Perú and their roots are nowhere near the Iberian peninsula, lol.

Finn returned in 94 after Marland's death, and the entire show seemed funereal at that time.

When did she return before that? I thought her only previous return was in '89 when she helped usher Scott off the canvas, when he wanted to leave again.

1 hour ago, Vee said:

I think Finn is actually great, but until recently I'd never seen her in anything other than Tremors which I've loved for decades so I'm a bit biased.

Obviously that casting would never fly today, but I do think she's great with everyone involved.

Boynton's casting wouldn't fly either with that quasi-"Scarface" accent. The only person who would be allowed to stay would be Karina Arroyave.

1 hour ago, j swift said:

In hindsight, as much as I am charmed by Finn, she seems poorly cast in the role of Sierra.  Not only was she anglicized in role as the daughter of Latin American revolutionary, but she also lacked the sex appeal to be in a believable triangle with Emily Stewart and Tonio.  The haircut was iconic, but it strained credulity that Tonio would be torn between her and Emily based on appearance.

She could have been the step-child of Martin Guest, or Lucinda's niece, and the story would have played out the same way with Craig.

One hopes that in the current culture an audience would be a bit more vocal about the casting of women from Latin American as played by Finn Carter, Cali Timmons, or Kristina Wagner

 

 

Uh, when was Sierra ever in a triangle with Emily and Tonio??

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22 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

It was really a ONS. Lucinda explained that they knew each other before they had met her. Later she explained to John that they sought comfort in each other's arms because of grief.

Personally, I think they worked much better as antagonists, that's where the heat came from. Marland was smart not to revisit this, imo. Today's soaps show no such restraint and continue to beat old story threads to death. A mistake.

The only issue is her Southern accent afaic, There are people who look just Sierra in any Central and Latin America with the influx of Germans in the post WWII period (ahem, we all know why) and their German descendants stayed. Telenovelas are full to the brim with actors/characters who look like Finn and they were born and raised in countries like Mexico, Argentina and Perú and their roots are nowhere near the Iberian peninsula, lol.

Finn returned in 94 after Marland's death, and the entire show seemed funereal at that time.

When did she return before that? I thought her only previous return was in '89 when she helped usher Scott off the canvas, when he wanted to leave again.

Boynton's casting wouldn't fly either with that quasi-"Scarface" accent. The only person who would be allowed to stay would be Karina Arroyave.

Uh, when was Sierra ever in a triangle with Emily and Tonio??

She may have returned the same year or into 95 - she came on the show to demonstrate their marriage in trouble then to escort Craig back to Montega and/or Miami. I thought Carter and Bryce had lost their spark. The 90s were such a morose affair on this show to me. 
 

I loved Karina Arroyave. She shows flashes of Lucinda even in her too few scenes on the show. 

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5 minutes ago, lilyredd said:

She may have returned the same year or into 95 - she came on the show to demonstrate their marriage in trouble then to escort Craig back to Montega and/or Miami. I thought Carter and Bryce had lost their spark. The 90s were such a morose affair on this show to me. 
 

I loved Karina Arroyave. She shows flashes of Lucinda even in her too few scenes on the show. 

Her last appearance was definitely in '94 and I am dubious about wiki entries claiming she appeared in 91. 94 was a depressing year altogether, the entire cast looked like they were in mourning. Sierra never had much of a storyline after '87 when Tonio took over Craig's business. All she did was function as a sounding board for Lily and Lucinda's angst. After that, she only had brief appearances to collect Craig when Scott wanted to leave the show (which was often). I don't know how much spark can be expected or generated from a such brief appearances on the back of other people's storylines (they weren't going to give her too much to do since she was only there for a brief stay). OTOH, I thought it was nice that she agreed to come on to help usher Bryce off the canvas whenever he wanted to go, lol.

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Our weekend discussion in this thread made me think about what different groups of fans consider attractive. The photo above reminds me that ATWT was not like Y&R, B&B, or even GH, in the types of actors they were known to frequently cast. Jon Hensley and Melanie Smith were more likely to be the exception, rather than the rule on a soap like ATWT, while on B&B, etc., it was more likely to be the direct opposite.

ATWT had attractive actors, who were attractive in a way that seemed more accessible, rather than some of the fantasy types that were on most other soaps. GL was also like this. Maybe it was more about what P&G shows believed their viewers would find appealing. It seemed like they relied more on a combination of allure and attractiveness, rather than out and out "sex bomb" qualities of their characters. There were moments (Hensley, Smith, Lamman Rucker) but they were not in the main. I think the acting showed us why one character might appeal to another beyond pretty looks.  I also appreciated that you could have a character like Smith's "Emily" have awareness of her sexual power, but you could also have Jennifer Ashe (Meg) also have an awareness of her own sexual power, yet the boundaries of the limits of each seemed quite realistic and stories built around this seemed more accessible. Nothing against those soaps that delved more deeply into the fantasy aspect but it was always the more realistic aspects of P&G shows that appealed to me as a fan.

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