Jump to content

As The World Turns Discussion Thread


edgeofnik

Recommended Posts

  • Members

I remember the original Rick Ryan, Con Roche (for some reason I seem to think his name was pronounced Ro-SHAY, but that might be wrong), an angry young man who did not want his mother Jennifer (Gillian Spencer) to marry Bob Hughes. I thought he was convincing in the role and was surprised when they wrote out this troublemaking character, although this was part of the era when odd and unfortunate character exits were common.

I also liked Donna Wandrey as the original Barbara Ryan, recognizing her of course as Roxanne Drew from DS. She was quite lovely. I recall a scene where she asked her mother, "Do you think it would be odd if a woman were interested in the same man as her mother?" and Jennifer replying, "I wouldn't be surprised if she were interested in the same kind of man." I got the impression TPTB hadn't decided if they were going to turn Barbara into a schemer, but they switched to a Bob/Jennifer/Kim triangle and wrote out Barbara and Rick, to my disappointment.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 12.9k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

  • P.J.

    668

  • Soapsuds

    1228

  • DRW50

    2478

  • DramatistDreamer

    1563

Top Posters In This Topic

Posted Images

  • Members

I believe Rick Ryan was an intern, but that might not be right.

I also saw the infamous two episodes where, unknown to most of us viewers, Irna Phillips had stepped in preparatory to writing out just about everyone connected with the Stewart storyline. Susan found out that her new husband Bruce Baxter had had a vasectomy, so she got the marriage annulled and in days to come would sashay around Oakdale proclaiming, "I'm not Mrs. Bruce Baxter any more, I'm Mrs. Dan Stewart," calling herself by her previous husband's name.

The other part I recall is that Bob was doing some routine surgery on a patient named Maria, but she died during surgery and her distraught husband shot Bob, injuring his arm so that Bob feared he might never be able to perform surgery again. From Maria needing surgery to hubby shooting Bob happened in two days, rather than the two to three weeks it would normally have taken. It was all very herky-jerky.

Before Irna became upset that Jane House was appearing on stage in LENNY--and thanks to those who provided this background information--it made absolutely no sense to me as a viewer at the time--Jane House was a delight as the warmly sympathetic Elizabeth, who had a lovely English accent. She was a good friend to Lisa, the reformed though still impulsive Lisa. I never got to see the bad Lisa who made Eileen Fulton a star.

At a time when it was highly unusual to see promos for upcoming soap episodes, I remember seeing a promo which a voiceover called "A scene between brothers" as Paul Stewart (Dean Santoro) confided to his brother Dan (John Colenback) that he had had married Elizabeth knowing that she was carrying a child by another man. The other man, of course, was brother Dan, though Paul didn't know or suspect this.

Paul would be killed off. Elizabeth would be killed off on the stairs; Susan had left the child barrier open after her visit, and Elizabeth, rushing to rescue her daughter, injured a vital organ and died. Off to England went Elizabeth's brother Ronnie (Curt Dawson), who had a shy and gentlemanly crush on Lisa; Dan and his daughters; and baby nurse Peggy Reagan, played by the wonderful Lisa Cameron. All of these actors were good, and eliminating these characters made no story sense.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

@Nicholas BlairThank  you for the details that synopses can't cover. 

I felt betrayed when P&G/Valente dumped many of my favorite characters in 1995, so much so that I never fully connected with the show again. Yet I can at  least step back and acknowledge many of them had reached a natural end or needed a rest. That does not seem to be the case here. 

It's a shame so many have no interest in soaps beyond the basics, as Irna's  brief  return to ATWT is a story  that would be fascinating  to see in a docuseries form. I guess at least we will always have the tribute episode GL did  for her in 2007. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members
1 hour ago, Nicholas Blair said:

The other part I recall is that Bob was doing some routine surgery on a patient named Maria, but she died during surgery and her distraught husband shot Bob, injuring his arm so that Bob feared he might never be able to perform surgery again

It was Dan Stewart who operated on Maria and was shot by her brother Joe.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members
11 hours ago, DRW50 said:

@Nicholas BlairThank  you for the details that synopses can't cover. 

I felt betrayed when P&G/Valente dumped many of my favorite characters in 1995, so much so that I never fully connected with the show again. Yet I can at  least step back and acknowledge many of them had reached a natural end or needed a rest. That does not seem to be the case here. 

It's a shame so many have no interest in soaps beyond the basics, as Irna's  brief  return to ATWT is a story  that would be fascinating  to see in a docuseries form. I guess at least we will always have the tribute episode GL did  for her in 2007. 

Though it wouldn't have the appeal of the making of WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO BABY JANE?, a dramatized version of the story of Irna's return and her anger over Jane House's appearance in LENNY could be a fascinating look at the conflict over changing moral values at the time.

At least John Colenback was brought back for another run on the show, and Dan Stewart and his daughters became part of the ongoing story.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members
22 hours ago, Nicholas Blair said:

Elizabeth would be killed off on the stairs; Susan had left the child barrier open after her visit, and Elizabeth, rushing to rescue her daughter, injured a vital organ and died. 

Liz was trying to save Emily, not Betsy. Betsy was not a toddler then. Emily was. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Who introduced the Dan/Susan/Elizabeth/Paul storyline?  Could it have been Irna’s daughter writing under a pen name?  That would have been an interesting twist if Irma resented a storyline her daughter created.  This plot was intriguing but seemed to drag on.  There seemed to be a fascination during this time period with brothers involved with the same woman (Mike/Ed/Leslie on TGL; Bill/Mickey/Laura on DOOL)

Who knows if Irna had issues with the morality of these characters (which is hard to believe since she gave us the Bob/Kim/Jennifer thing) or more likely just had issues with the Liz character and actress

The storyline I loved during this era was Michael Shea.  His marriage to Claire, affair and child with Lisa, marriage to Lisa, and murder and trial. There were so many facets to this plot including Ellen being revealed as Dan’s mother and his protege John Dixon was introduced.   Great storytelling 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members
21 hours ago, TVFAN1144 said:

Who introduced the Dan/Susan/Elizabeth/Paul storyline?  Could it have been Irna’s daughter writing under a pen name?  That would have been an interesting twist if Irma resented a storyline her daughter created.  This plot was intriguing but seemed to drag on.  There seemed to be a fascination during this time period with brothers involved with the same woman (Mike/Ed/Leslie on TGL; Bill/Mickey/Laura on DOOL)

Who knows if Irna had issues with the morality of these characters (which is hard to believe since she gave us the Bob/Kim/Jennifer thing) or more likely just had issues with the Liz character and actress

The storyline I loved during this era was Michael Shea.  His marriage to Claire, affair and child with Lisa, marriage to Lisa, and murder and trial. There were so many facets to this plot including Ellen being revealed as Dan’s mother and his protege John Dixon was introduced.   Great storytelling 

21 hours ago, TVFAN1144 said:

Who introduced the Dan/Susan/Elizabeth/Paul storyline?  Could it have been Irna’s daughter writing under a pen name?  That would have been an interesting twist if Irma resented a storyline her daughter created.  This plot was intriguing but seemed to drag on.  There seemed to be a fascination during this time period with brothers involved with the same woman (Mike/Ed/Leslie on TGL; Bill/Mickey/Laura on DOOL)

Love Ia Many Splendored Thing also had Laura/Mark/Iris around  that time

The Dan/Paul/Liz/Susan seemed to take off in 69 when Irna was still there. Everything I have read says she left in early 70. That means she was responsible for the Dan fathering 2 kids story which she later was reported to be against.

Seems odd that when she returned in 72 she continued the story for months and then started decimating it by killing off Liz and Paul and writing off Dan and Susan. Unless she thought the whole thing was too convoluted and she got bored and wanted to write for other characters?

Katherine Babecki is listed as an ATWT writer in the 60's and there is a belief that this was actually Katherine Phillips.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

In addition to Bruce Baxter's vasectomy, this era also had Lisa's hysterical pregnancy. Lisa thought she was pregnant by Don Hughes (Peter Brandon), and when her friend Elizabeth (Jane House) found Lisa collapsed and bleeding, she said, "Lisa, did you have an illegal abortion?" (There may previously have been some discussion about whether Lisa was going to have a legal abortion; I don't recall.) However, this was only a hysterical pregnancy, and the blood was the result of the periods which had been suppressed, and this was mentioned in the dialogue.

All in all, this was a good era of ATWT. Peter Galman was perhaps the most charming and likable of all the actors who played Tom Hughes, and I certainly liked Gregg Marx and Justin Deas as well. Galman was stuck with the pure and priggish Carol Demming (Rita McLaughlin), and a measure of his skill was that he showed us how Tom could appreciate Carol's better qualities while accepting and moderating the less attractive qualities. When C. David Colson took over, Tom and Carol quickly became the most boring couple in all soapdom, as the writers realized, for they soon let Tom be seduced by Natalie (Judith Chapman), who managed to make Colson almost interesting, no small accomplishment. Meanwhile Carol became fascinated by diamond-in-the-rough Jay Stallings (Dennis Cooney), and for the first time I began enjoying McLaughlin's scenes.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members
8 hours ago, Nicholas Blair said:

In addition to Bruce Baxter's vasectomy, this era also had Lisa's hysterical pregnancy. Lisa thought she was pregnant by Don Hughes (Peter Brandon), and when her friend Elizabeth (Jane House) found Lisa collapsed and bleeding, she said, "Lisa, did you have an illegal abortion?" (There may previously have been some discussion about whether Lisa was going to have a legal abortion; I don't recall.) However, this was only a hysterical pregnancy, and the blood was the result of the periods which had been suppressed, and this was mentioned in the dialogue.

All in all, this was a good era of ATWT. Peter Galman was perhaps the most charming and likable of all the actors who played Tom Hughes, and I certainly liked Gregg Marx and Justin Deas as well. Galman was stuck with the pure and priggish Carol Demming (Rita McLaughlin), and a measure of his skill was that he showed us how Tom could appreciate Carol's better qualities while accepting and moderating the less attractive qualities. When C. David Colson took over, Tom and Carol quickly became the most boring couple in all soapdom, as the writers realized, for they soon let Tom be seduced by Natalie (Judith Chapman), who managed to make Colson almost interesting, no small accomplishment. Meanwhile Carol became fascinated by diamond-in-the-rough Jay Stallings (Dennis Cooney), and for the first time I began enjoying McLaughlin's scenes.

It seems that ATWT wasn't as "conservative" as it was made out to be.

Pictures of Colson make him look pretty sexy..it didn't show up on screen? Carol was an interesting character to pair him with in terms of..she was dull as dishwater.  I can't imagine that the writers didnt see the value of Tom being like his dad and falling for a Lisa type, (which he eventually did) and Lisa being put in the position of concerned mother. Was she extremely bitchy to Natalie as the synopsis don't show that.  I know that later Lisa adopted all the wayward youth of Oakdale, especially the vixens but I don't see her being cool with her son hooking up with one. As others said they aged Tom too soon and should have had shown him as a rebellious teen, college student.

Interesting that the Dobsons killed off Jay and immediately hooked Carol up with bad boy Steve (and that whole marriage soon to be never mentioned once Betsy enters the picture.)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members
48 minutes ago, Mitch said:

It seems that ATWT wasn't as "conservative" as it was made out to be.

When I saw scenes a few years ago on YouTube of Susan's "open marriage" with Dan Stewart in the 70s, that told me that ATWT was not as conservative as many had made it out to be. It could be pretty risqué at times, but it was often so subtly done, it could be easy for viewers to overlook this.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members
2 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

When I saw scenes a few years ago on YouTube of Susan's "open marriage" with Dan Stewart in the 70s, that told me that ATWT was not as conservative as many had made it out to be. It could be pretty risqué at times, but it was often so subtly done, it could be easy for viewers to overlook this.

No one would do an open marriage post 1979..at least none that I have seen. I like subtle..I have never been a fan of Agnes Nixon's "social relevance" stories..which Marland did a lot of also. They all seemed heavy handed "very special episode" to me.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Please sign in to comment

You will be able to leave a comment after signing in



Sign In Now
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Recent Posts

    • Don't do it. They take your money, keep you hanging for weeks and then block you.  I learnt the hard way when I had to try and reclaim a lot of money back.  I reported them over and over but FB won't take the page down. 
    • I really like that cast photo: Kay holding tight onto Brock like he is her lover whereas Jill and Phillip Sr oose so much swinging seventies...
    • These assessments heavily rely on when you STARTED watching (or stopped LOL) because of the sheer length of B&B's timeline by now: Due to Caroline's death, the whole relationship has the perfect romance status - forever. Even though the last time we have seen Caroline was her ghostly visit in January 2021. Ridge had to FIGHT for Caroline and he had the chance to GRIEVE for Caroline. (Something that has rarely happened since because pacing nowadays is soooo different!). For me Taylor was always Ridge's second perfect love. Now that I've seen 1990-1992 it is a little harder to fall this assumption because I had no idea hoq quick the shift  of commitment happened in 1992. However, from 1993-2002 there was zero possibility for that Ridge actually loved Brooke. She was a caniving h* who always used her children for her own benefit and desperate need to cling onto Ridge.  Ever since the show shifted to Nick/Brooke/Ridge and Bill/Brooke/Ridge we have entered a whole new aera in the traingel business which made Brooke much more liekable for me, but the perfect romance never involved Ridge.  
    • I am watching early 1991 right now and to me it is obvious that Ridge is attracted to Taylor but more emotionally involved with Brooke, although he has given up on her because she's marrying his dad (kind of like he tried to give up Caroline after she married Thorne and dated Brooke instead). Another thing that is obvious is how Brooke is clearly more in love with Ridge than with Eric, and that that marriage was doomed before it began (Brooke dreaming about marrying Ridge on her wedding day to Eric).  I agree that after Thorne, Grant was Macy's best pairing. He was very good with her and cared very deeply about her happiness. I think Macy as a character was very sensitive to OOC writing and it showed in the storylines the months before both her deaths. Because she was usually so decent and sweet, she didn't have a lot of leeway, so anytime she broke that pattern it made you go "whoa..." and it didn't always ring true. Usually it was her interactions with Brooke that pulled her out of character because Macy was shown to truly hate Brooke and it wasn't really in her nature to be hateful, bitter or vindictive (she usually ended up on friendly or at least civil terms with all her rivals - even becoming best friends with Karen). Also, she was more aggressive with Brooke than I'd say was believable for Macy (it was more in character for Macy to turn that destructiveness inward). But it went both ways - Brooke also showed her absolute worst side in her interactions with Macy to the point where it was almost OOC (I never really knew Brooke to be quite as gleefully sadistic with anyone else as she was with Macy - like when she sent her a drink, or when she casually suggested that Macy's mother was dead just to see Macy's reaction). 
    • That has definitely been around for a while. Don't think it is photoshopped. I have seen it in 70's mags, just much smaller and B&W  Also there is a different shot of Jeanne, Brenda and Donnelly from this same shoot. All in same clothes but just the three of them and grouped differently. Here it is from a 70's mag but can't remember which one.      Please register in order to view this content Now I look, the B&W one is slightly different. Bill Espy has crossed arms and Brenda is looking more straight on to the camera.  Oh the one with Brenda, Jeanne and Donnelly is definitely a composite from the above cast shot. Just realised that, haha
  • On Soap Opera Network

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy