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34 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

Spent the last month just binging on ATWT, AMC, GL ... God. So good. I hope folks appreciated it when it was good. And even the bad is better than what we got in their last years.

 

Random thought but how lucky was Lyla? Casey is so cute. Too bad they created such an annoying twit who lasted way too long dominating the show. I swear, any episode from the 2000s, ANY random episode you click on, has Katie in it. And she's usually with a man fawning over her like Henry or Mike. Lord. I almost forgot how bad it was for so long ... did Goutman have a hard-on for Terri Conn?

 

Kinda interesting how the visits of Ellen and Penny and Lyla stop pretty soon after Goutman arrives (of course you have the AW invasion in 1999 so gotta make room). Really a shame they dumped Patricia Bruder. But by then Susan was turned boring so I imagine they figured "we have Emily doing bad things and Susan reacting so why do we need Ellen? We have Nancy why do we need Ellen?" That's one of the biggest mistakes soaps have made. You NEED these folks as talk-to's. But the soaps stopped a long time ago really trying to write for characters so ... he was there when they were brought back, did he stop because they didn't really raise the ratings? Did Hogan just have no interest in having folks show up for visits?

 

I also think some of those returns were under Lorraine Broderick. Though the 1998-2000 period kinda blurs together for me so I'm probably off a tad on who was writing and producing when.

Hogan brought back Seth, Cal.Iva and Caleb in 2001. When Luke and Holden were believed to have perished. But none of them were well used. Hogan also brought back Lyla back in 2000. Ruined her by turning her in a dead beat mom. Casey sure was yummy. Plus he had a natural sweetness to him.

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These days she's best known as Billie Eilish's mom that is pictured in that thumbnail. 

Just now, victoria foxton said:

Hogan brought back Seth, Cal.Iva and Caleb in 2001. When Luke and Holden were believed to have perished. But none of them were well used. Hogan also brought back Lyla back in 2000. Ruined her by turning her in a dead beat mom. Casey sure was yummy. Plus he had a natural sweetness to him.

 

What I liked most about Casey was the way that he was written initially.  He was introduced in a way that was gradual, he was integrated into the cast in a way that made him a distinctive character yet he didn't take over storylines, he was absorbed into storylines alongside other character.  I think making Casey a would-be rival with Seth Snyder for Frannie Hughes' affections helped to integrate the character by surrounding him with various characters in a way that stood out but not too much.  By the time, he had branched off into a separate storyline as a result of being paired with Lyla, viewers felt as if we had grown to know this character. 

Soaps today do not take the time and effort to do this (I don't know why, since it's only their job).  When Katie was brought back as an adult, the writers certainly didn't bother to try to gently integrate her character with the rest of the cast, they just created storylines to revolve around her which is why I think there was so much resentment of the character (which I think eventually trickled down to feelings about the actress among some viewers). 

 

As a doctor at Memorial, Casey was surrounded by Hughes, Dixons, Walshes (he was Lucinda's physician also), as well as Synders, Stewarts and eventually Montgomerys. This is why soaps always included doctors, lawyers, and proprietors of businesses in their cast of characters, so easy to integrate into the canvas because they interacted with most of the town, regardless of class and stations in life.  

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7 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

Thank you :wub: 

Lol... you're welcome!

1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

These days she's best known as Billie Eilish's mom that is pictured in that thumbnail. 

 

What I liked most about Casey was the way that he was written initially.  He was introduced in a way that was gradual, he was integrated into the cast in a way that made him a distinctive character yet he didn't take over storylines, he was absorbed into storylines alongside other character.  I think making Casey a would-be rival with Seth Snyder for Frannie Hughes' affections helped to integrate the character by surrounding him with various characters in a way that stood out but not too much.  By the time, he had branched off into a separate storyline as a result of being paired with Lyla, viewers felt as if we had grown to know this character. 

Soaps today do not take the time and effort to do this (I don't know why, since it's only their job).  When Katie was brought back as an adult, the writers certainly didn't bother to try to gently integrate her character with the rest of the cast, they just created storylines to revolve around her which is why I think there was so much resentment of the character (which I think eventually trickled down to feelings about the actress among some viewers). 

 

As a doctor at Memorial, Casey was surrounded by Hughes, Dixons, Walshes (he was Lucinda's physician also), as well as Synders, Stewarts and eventually Montgomerys. This is why soaps always included doctors, lawyers, and proprietors of businesses in their cast of characters, so easy to integrate into the canvas because they interacted with most of the town, regardless of class and stations in life.  

That's why his death was a ratings winner and the story got a lot of press coverage.

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5 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Victoria Rowell was Nella Franklin #3. 

Nella Franklin #2 Kasi Lemmons had departed from the role when her iteration of Nella left with Beau Farrell.  I hated what that storyline did to Pam and Nella's friendship, another casualty of material written during the Writer's Strike.

 

Wait... you're saying AFTER KL's Nella left with Beau, she returned with VR in the role? I don't think that's right, is it? 

I have been trying to find out where KL's stint ends and VR's stint begins, but the character is on so little that it's kind of hard to figure out.

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15 hours ago, Soapsuds said:

Victoria Rowell was #2 Nella and Kasi Lemmons was #3 Nella who left with Beau in late 1989. VR was on Atwt during the 1987-1988 season.

 

Thanks for clearing that up!

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1996 this time... 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHaOhkgMkOo

 

Around 4 minutes in, a scene starts involving three men, none of whom I recognize in the slightest. I think they have something to do with this Bill Mason figure that kept being mentioned in the episode, although I'm not sure any one of them is him. Other names that I think are related to Mason are Clegg, Switzer and Quinlan. I must admit I'm not very well-versed in 1996, and I'm quite hazy on the Bill Mason plot in general, so if anyone could shed some light on it, that would be great.

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2 hours ago, Brolden said:

1996 this time... 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHaOhkgMkOo

 

Around 4 minutes in, a scene starts involving three men, none of whom I recognize in the slightest. I think they have something to do with this Bill Mason figure that kept being mentioned in the episode, although I'm not sure any one of them is him. Other names that I think are related to Mason are Clegg, Switzer and Quinlan. I must admit I'm not very well-versed in 1996, and I'm quite hazy on the Bill Mason plot in general, so if anyone could shed some light on it, that would be great.

 

They were trying to get Tom to drop a case against them, as they were neo-Nazi gun-runners, or something. At one point there was a car bomb Kim was nearly killed by. 

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5 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

They were trying to get Tom to drop a case against them, as they were neo-Nazi gun-runners, or something. At one point there was a car bomb Kim was nearly killed by. 

 

Boy, were Stephen Black and Henry Stern totally wrong for this show, lol.

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On 10/25/2010 at 8:44 PM, soapfan770 said:

This appeared in the 6/16/99 issue of Soap Opera News about Goutman's impending arrival. Though I don't necessarily agree with the writer's perceptions of ATWT at the time, I can somewhat relate as who had mixed feelings at the time--one being sorrow over AW's cancellation, the other being the rumored uproar of "AW taking over ATWT" with the crossovers of Jake and Vicky as well as (very briefly) Cass and Lila in addition to ATWT moving into AW's old studios, not to mention Goutman and Laiman going from AW to ATWT as well.

 

 

 

On 10/25/2010 at 8:44 PM, soapfan770 said:

This appeared in the 6/16/99 issue of Soap Opera News about Goutman's impending arrival. Though I don't necessarily agree with the writer's perceptions of ATWT at the time, I can somewhat relate as who had mixed feelings at the time--one being sorrow over AW's cancellation, the other being the rumored uproar of "AW taking over ATWT" with the crossovers of Jake and Vicky as well as (very briefly) Cass and Lila in addition to ATWT moving into AW's old studios, not to mention Goutman and Laiman going from AW to ATWT as well.

 

 

Most of us who were fan activists felt that Goutman came very close to saving "Another World" We were part of the Another World Fan Brigade first, lead by Tom Freeman After that we were members of the Committee to Save Another World. MADD (PGP) and Susan D. Lee (NBC) took positioins where they were prepared to cancel "AW" Mickey was traveling to China. She came back to the USA & set AW up for cancellation - even before the deadlines that she had set up came along. Susan D. Lee set Frankie up for a competitive challenge. Ratings had gone up under Chris Goutman. Passanante had been a failure. The cast was told she would bring romance to the show but she did not. Michael Malone had been a failure. Lisa Peluso was a success, as was the show bible, Bourbon Street.

9 hours ago, Khan said:

 

Boy, were Stephen Black and Henry Stern totally wrong for this show, lol.

AMEN!

On 12/27/2019 at 12:36 PM, victoria foxton said:

Hogan brought back Seth, Cal.Iva and Caleb in 2001. When Luke and Holden were believed to have perished. But none of them were well used. Hogan also brought back Lyla back in 2000. Ruined her by turning her in a dead beat mom. Casey sure was yummy. Plus he had a natural sweetness to him.

 

On 12/27/2019 at 12:36 PM, victoria foxton said:

Hogan brought back Seth, Cal.Iva and Caleb in 2001. When Luke and Holden were believed to have perished. But none of them were well used. Hogan also brought back Lyla back in 2000. Ruined her by turning her in a dead beat mom. Casey sure was yummy. Plus he had a natural sweetness to him.

 

On 12/27/2019 at 12:36 PM, victoria foxton said:

Hogan brought back Seth, Cal.Iva and Caleb in 2001. When Luke and Holden were believed to have perished. But none of them were well used. Hogan also brought back Lyla back in 2000. Ruined her by turning her in a dead beat mom. Casey sure was yummy. Plus he had a natural sweetness to him.

 

On 12/27/2019 at 12:36 PM, victoria foxton said:

Hogan brought back Seth, Cal.Iva and Caleb in 2001. When Luke and Holden were believed to have perished. But none of them were well used. Hogan also brought back Lyla back in 2000. Ruined her by turning her in a dead beat mom. Casey sure was yummy. Plus he had a natural sweetness to him.

 

On 12/27/2019 at 12:36 PM, victoria foxton said:

Hogan brought back Seth, Cal.Iva and Caleb in 2001. When Luke and Holden were believed to have perished. But none of them were well used. Hogan also brought back Lyla back in 2000. Ruined her by turning her in a dead beat mom. Casey sure was yummy. Plus he had a natural sweetness to him.

 

On 12/27/2019 at 12:37 PM, DramatistDreamer said:

These days she's best known as Billie Eilish's mom that is pictured in that thumbnail. 

 

What I liked most about Casey was the way that he was written initially.  He was introduced in a way that was gradual, he was integrated into the cast in a way that made him a distinctive character yet he didn't take over storylines, he was absorbed into storylines alongside other character.  I think making Casey a would-be rival with Seth Snyder for Frannie Hughes' affections helped to integrate the character by surrounding him with various characters in a way that stood out but not too much.  By the time, he had branched off into a separate storyline as a result of being paired with Lyla, viewers felt as if we had grown to know this character. 

Soaps today do not take the time and effort to do this (I don't know why, since it's only their job).  When Katie was brought back as an adult, the writers certainly didn't bother to try to gently integrate her character with the rest of the cast, they just created storylines to revolve around her which is why I think there was so much resentment of the character (which I think eventually trickled down to feelings about the actress among some viewers). 

 

As a doctor at Memorial, Casey was surrounded by Hughes, Dixons, Walshes (he was Lucinda's physician also), as well as Synders, Stewarts and eventually Montgomerys. This is why soaps always included doctors, lawyers, and proprietors of businesses in their cast of characters, so easy to integrate into the canvas because they interacted with most of the town, regardless of class and stations in life.  

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Good lord how on earth did you all sit through As Lily's World Turns?

 

It's unbelievably comical seeing basically the entire town constantly worry about her. They really wanted her to be the Laura Webber of ATWT. Jesus it's a bit much. I knew about it, but watching so much of it it's beyond overbearing, lol. How did the actors not laugh?

 

Craig's presumed dead but Sierra is worried about how Lily is handling it. I mean, laaaawd .... lol. Sorry Sierra, Lily's too busy finding out she was adopted and her mother is her boyfriend's sister and her father is a rapist. But anywho ... good episode otherwise. I've seen it before but after watching so many episodes it's just ridiculous how Lily centric the show is. Otherwise it's mostly great.

 

None of this is a new revelation obviously, I've known how Lily centric it was but lord ... lol. Hearing about it and seeing it are two different things, lol. Ya'll weren't kidding one bit.

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OMG I can see why AW and ATWT were cancelled. It’s because of the ‘activists’ that thought they were saving the show but did more harm than good. I’d have cancelled the show too rather than deal with the ‘activists’. 

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