Okay, so we kinda figured that Charlie would be the rapist, and it's all predictable, but I kind of like this dynamic where Ava obviously favors one son over the other. Who will Charlie's dad be? Maybe Ava had a secret affair with Stefano and Charlie is a yet another long-lost DiMera? 🤣

 

TB is entertaining as Ava. Hard to believe that not too long ago I was bored to tears with her on GH as Kim. Keeping Ava around for awhile and finding a way to keep Charlie around would make the canvas more interesting. Tripp will be cleared obviously but wanting a relationship with Ava will cause issues with Steve and Kayla. Tripp will have drama with Ava because she never told him about Charlie. Charlie and Tripp could have a rivalry. Charlie could decide that he wants to be part of Henry's life and have all kinds of drama with Allie. Whenever Sami comes back to town, she can kick Charlie's ass. But knowing DAYS none of this will happen and they'll just dump Charlie and Ava lol.

Edited December 17, 20204 yr by AlexElizabeth

7 hours ago, prefab1 said:

Steve to Tripp: "I don't know, son. I don't know much about genetics."

 

Me to the TV screen: "Neither does your wife!"

Ava figured it out quick

Michael Manning should submit today's episode for supporting actor Emmy. He blew me away. Those scenes with Tamara were incredibly well done all the way around.  It's too bad if Ron turns him into a rapist.   The last three weeks the show has been amazing once you overlook Ava's return from the dead scenario and the dumb Jan wedding.  The show has steadily improved without Greg Meng as EP.

On 12/15/2020 at 1:46 PM, AbcNbc247 said:

This goes to show you that bringing in a new actor/character just for a plot doesn't often work, no matter how much time there is between writing, taping then airing. You never know which actor may or may not take off with the fans until they see it. They made a mistake with Evan and Zoey, and now they made the same mistake with Charlie.

 

But then again, maybe Ron does have a little problem with bisexuality after all lol

How old did you think he was lol

 

LOL! I only thought 18-21. I never bothered to look up his age but he just seemed really young. Though I guess to be fair in my 20s I always looked younger than I was. I think I probably look my age now lol.

 

I agree about Evan, Zoey and now Charlie. I like they redeemed Evan a tad bit but still ... waste of potential and none of us want another Ben redemption, personally. 

 

Maybe Ron does have problems with bisexuality? I don't know. I think networks seem to, or execs. It opens up a lot of story. I know some fans find it lazy because it gives them an 'out' to make the character straight, you know? I can see why maybe it's avoided.

 

The rape stuff was so unnecessary. I just don't understand Ron's obsession with rape. It's like he keeps hoping one of his rape stories actually makes an impact but they never do because they're so awful and he never commits to it being one. It's all about shock plot. I feel like he has ideas and then fills in the blanks.

4 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

Maybe Ron does have problems with bisexuality? I don't know. I think networks seem to, or execs. It opens up a lot of story. I know some fans find it lazy because it gives them an 'out' to make the character straight, you know? I can see why maybe it's avoided.

 

 

I think the conservative heartland housewives are still skeevy about bisexuality. They either think the person is just "confused" and is actually straight, or on the flip side, can't be trusted/can't have a meaningful relationship with one gender while also lusting after the other gender.  But from a storyline perspective, it opens up a wealth of possibility... which means they'll never go there on soaps 

12 minutes ago, Gray Bunny said:

 

I think the conservative heartland housewives are still skeevy about bisexuality. They either think the person is just "confused" and is actually straight, or on the flip side, can't be trusted/can't have a meaningful relationship with one gender while also lusting after the other gender.  But from a storyline perspective, it opens up a wealth of possibility... which means they'll never go there on soaps 

 

Good points on those viewers. And I'm guessing many execs and writers share the same opinion, just a hunch. Leading to it never being explored. And it's honestly too complex for our soaps at this point, LOL. I'm kind of OK they don't. Even though they should be far more contemporary than they are. They're stuck in this bizarre cliche rut as they struggle to exist and get by. I'll never forget the pearl clutchers gasping in horror at the Prospect Park versions of AMC and OLTL. We're doomed to be in this rut until all the soaps are dead I fear. It's kinda been this way since the mid 2000s, honestly. They stopped trying anything somewhere around 1996/1997 (as they all started replicating Reilly stories which damaged these soaps because it was all so bad; at least Reilly told stories in his first run, as bizarre as they could be it was still somewhat grounded).

Edited December 17, 20204 yr by KMan101

3 hours ago, KMan101 said:

 

LOL! I only thought 18-21. I never bothered to look up his age but he just seemed really young. Though I guess to be fair in my 20s I always looked younger than I was. I think I probably look my age now lol.

 

I agree about Evan, Zoey and now Charlie. I like they redeemed Evan a tad bit but still ... waste of potential and none of us want another Ben redemption, personally. 

 

Maybe Ron does have problems with bisexuality? I don't know. I think networks seem to, or execs. It opens up a lot of story. I know some fans find it lazy because it gives them an 'out' to make the character straight, you know? I can see why maybe it's avoided.

Lmao with me it was the other way. When I was 18-19, people would think I was like 24. Now I'm 28, and nobody says anything.

 

You're right about Mike Manning though. He does look younger than 33. I thought his acting was great in these last two episodes. They'd be pretty foolish to let him go, but like you said no one wants another redemption arc, even though I still think Ava's going to be getting one soon.

 

As for Ron, I won't flat out accuse him of biphobia but sometimes I wonder. Evan could have been a groundbreaking character, and Charlie could have too actually if they chose to go that route with him. Above all, it would have been something different for soaps, and I think that's always a good thing.

 

Let's just say, Mike Manning and I are kindred spirits lol (even though I do prefer guys)

3 hours ago, Gray Bunny said:

 

I think the conservative heartland housewives are still skeevy about bisexuality. They either think the person is just "confused" and is actually straight, or on the flip side, can't be trusted/can't have a meaningful relationship with one gender while also lusting after the other gender.  But from a storyline perspective, it opens up a wealth of possibility... which means they'll never go there on soaps 

You hit the nail right on the head. What sucks is that mindset sometimes comes from both sides.

 

IMO, a bi love triangle is the shot in the arm that soaps need right now.

 

Edited December 17, 20204 yr by AbcNbc247

 

  

  

Kate you slut...ride it!😂

Charlie is a hot mess. Ron is totally ruining the character.

36 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

Charlie is a hot mess. Ron is totally ruining the character.

Did you expect anything different?  Ron only writes cliff hanger story beats.  And the show (even before he joined) has a history of ruining all the younger characters by turning them into felonious criminals or crazies or both: Tripp, Joey, Claire, Charlie, Nick, Ben, Chase, Evan, to name a few.....

Edited December 17, 20204 yr by RavenWhitney

1 hour ago, victoria foxton said:

 

  

  

Now people are asking for him to be fired

55 minutes ago, RavenWhitney said:

Did you expect anything different?  Ron only writes cliff hanger story beats.  And the show (even before he joined) has a history of ruining all the younger characters by turning them into felonious criminals or crazies or both: Tripp, Joey, Claire, Charlie, Nick, Ben, Chase, Evan, to name a few.....

The sad thing is the guy can act. His shift in demeanor today was great! I'd take him over RSW anyday.

Edited December 17, 20204 yr by Soapsuds

This was supposed to be the 14,000 episode?? There was nothing special going on and instead we got Allie's rape story being prolonged and Ron Carlivati the headwriter, telling female viewers what rape is... Need I say more??

2 hours ago, Soapsuds said:

The sad thing is the guy can act. His shift in demeanor today was great! I'd take him over RSW anyday.

Agree. They need to cut Ben's character. It's done.  And they have years of plot with Tripp, a recast Joey and Charlie.  But Ron is Ron.  Michael Manning is the best actor to come along in years.  And so hot.