8 minutes ago, YRBB said:

Katherine's intervention should've focused much more on seeing her strike out viciously -- the mean old crone of old having returned with cruel, cutting jabs -- and not so much the pleading, saintly Katherine. It's the acting, production, and style that saves things here. It all devolves into weirdness with the lights, the dining room doors opening into Heaven, I mean... ugh.

 

Seeing Rex is also a reminder of how sad and unnecessary it was to kill him off. He could still be around, 10 years later, dashing and interesting as ever.

 

Even in the 80s, he often (always?) sounded like he had a stuffy nose but in 2004 it was super pronounced.

 

Yes!  I don't know what TIIC were doing with some of these characters. Colleen, Rex, Brad.  They could've just sent Brad off to Azerbaijan or Katmandu and had Colleen visit him-- they needn't have kill both off and the way they did Colleen's death in particular was so damn cheesy! Rex and Katherine could have separated and reunited and Jill, getting in the way sometimes.  There were a lot of possibilities going down the road.

 

4 minutes ago, YRBB said:

 

Tricia was wonderful with everyone ❤️

 

I agree. Characters like that are missing from today's soaps.

I hope Tricia Cast is managing things alright, after such a loss.

Edited April 29, 20205 yr by DramatistDreamer

17 minutes ago, YRBB said:

 

 

 

Even in the 80s, he often (always?) sounded like he had a stuffy nose but in 2004 it was super pronounced.

Yeah, like he had a bad cold. He was the same when he returned in 2011.

15 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

OMG, lol.

When I was little I used to wonder whether he had some type of hearing impairment or at the very least, a speech impediment.  His tongue always seemed to be lolling around in his mouth.  Tricia Cast was really good with him though.  Even in Phillip's last disastrous return with a stupid cattle rushers storyline, Tricia Cast's chemistry with him even made me believe that they could be close friends and co-parents. 

Thom was a great cast as Phillip in that he embodied what the character was suppose to be and he had great chemistry with his coworkers. The problem was his acting was bad. His character never evolved because of his acting(Joshua Morrow ...cough). He was still the shy timid gay guy. We all knew Phillip was gay even back in the 80s. When you have a crush on Cricket it became very obvious.

Edited April 29, 20205 yr by Soapsuds

BTW Thom did release an all tell book about his on and off screen encounters and has posted in the past some ummmm...interesting photos of himself😋

28 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

Yes!  I don't know what TIIC were doing with some of these characters. Colleen, Rex, Brad.  They could've just sent Brad off to Azerbaijan or Katmandu and had Colleen visit him-- they needn't have kill both off and the way they did Colleen's death in particular was so damn cheesy!

I'm still super pissed they killed off Colleen. The character needed a recast, but it was still filled with so much possibility. And, it's just so sad they killed off Tracey's one child.

58 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

Wow I had no idea this 2004 episode contained flashbacks from 1990 of Dru and Mamie, a nice surprise. Thom  Bierdz was so handsome in 2004 too.

Boy, I guess the 30th anniversary was extended for all of 2004! 

14 hours ago, BetterForgotten said:

I will always hate MAB and company for making Katherine the saint of Genoa City. She's a bitter and miserable old lady, and I loved her that way! 

 

13 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

Agreed! Katherine was such a nasty old rich lady with nothing but time on her hands lol. Under Latham & MAB they gave her sainthood and even talked up about what a “successful smart businesswoman” she had always been. All I could say was “Oh dear God in heaven...”

 

Absolutely agree. Katherine was a mean, bitter, hardened woman, and we loved her for it. Even when she found Mackenzie she was a wreck and it was amazing to watch. LML and MAB softened her up way, way too much and the businesswoman angle was such a cop out to try and keep her in the mix.

 

1 hour ago, YRBB said:

 

I think it's a fair assumption to make that the Jill/Katherine twist might not have happened if Tom & Bashioum were still in the roles! Much harder to dump them than the OK recasts (although Brown was getting better/settling in nicely). But I have to disagree, there would be NO peace for Kay & Jill over their shared (great)grandchild. It would've (SHOULD'VE) been another decade of fighting. lol

 

A Mac/Billy (great)grandchild for Katherine and Jill would have given so, so much for them to play off of. Mac and Billy could go through marital problems or Mac could have had post-partum depression or the baby could have a health crisis or even lighter things like Katherine and Jill competing for the baby's affections. The possibilities were limitless and Mac and Billy were incredibly popular under Tom and Bashioum. In my view, the loss of Tom was bad, but it was the loss of Bashioum that really hurt because none of the Mac recasts have worked - she brought a hardness to the role that was so similar to Jeanne Cooper that I had no trouble believing them to be grandmother and granddaughter.

 

50 minutes ago, YRBB said:

Katherine's intervention should've focused much more on seeing her strike out viciously -- the mean old crone of old having returned with cruel, cutting jabs -- and not so much the pleading, saintly Katherine. It's the acting, production, and style that saves things here. It all devolves into weirdness with the lights, the dining room doors opening into Heaven, I mean... ugh.

 

Seeing Rex is also a reminder of how sad and unnecessary it was to kill him off. He could still be around, 10 years later, dashing and interesting as ever.

 

Watching Katherine's Intervention, it's amazing how much better the show was then and back in 2004 we all thought it was faltering (which it was), but Dear God In Heaven how I'd wish to go back to 2004 levels of quality.

 

I always looked at the lighting and appearances by Rex and Philip as Kay's drunken hallucination, rather than divine intervention (which it was meant to appear to be with Rex and Philip in white resort wear). The acting and production and style is just head and shoulders above what we see now.

The choices for classics of Y&R continue to be so much better than anyone could have imagined. The Victor&Nikki week sounds amazing. I would have never dared to dream that CBS really means CLASSICS as in episodes not seen in more (!) than two decades (!).

Edited April 29, 20205 yr by sheilaforever

Or why they seem to appreciate the classic library so much, yet refuse to let the show embrace it's identity in present-day and has actively tried for years to prevent it from doing so. 

1 hour ago, YRBB said:

Even in the 80s, he often (always?) sounded like he had a stuffy nose but in 2004 it was super pronounced.

 

Tracey Bregman sounds SUPER stuffed up in clips from the 80s and early 90s.

1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

Yes!  I don't know what TIIC were doing with some of these characters. Colleen, Rex, Brad.  They could've just sent Brad off to Azerbaijan or Katmandu and had Colleen visit him-- they needn't have kill both off and the way they did Colleen's death in particular was so damn cheesy! Rex and Katherine could have separated and reunited and Jill, getting in the way sometimes.  There were a lot of possibilities going down the road.

 

 

I agree. Characters like that are missing from today's soaps.

I hope Tricia Cast is managing things alright, after such a loss.

I always wanted Colleen and Scotty to be a supercouple. Imagine Lauren and Traci being in-laws. So much potential wasted because of killing off the eldest Abbott granddaughter. They could've thrown in a Sheila Carter esque enemy for them as a third party. Perhaps it can be a man that Colleen has an affair with. 

 

I hope Tricia is doing well too. 

6 minutes ago, Darn said:

 

Tracey Bregman sounds SUPER stuffed up in clips from the 80s and early 90s.

That is true. I had forgotten about Tracey. Hmmmm...

8 minutes ago, Darn said:

 

Tracey Bregman sounds SUPER stuffed up in clips from the 80s and early 90s.

So did Heather Locklear on her first few seasons on Dynasty too. 

Let's just say it: coke.

1 hour ago, Soapsuds said:

We all knew Phillip was gay even back in the 80s. When you have a crush on Cricket it became very obvious.

 

It's interesting watching those 80s scenes knowing what we know now with all the retcons. When Liz tells Phillip that Jill has been shot, he snarkily asks if it was one of her lovers. Then he wants to go back to school right away, and says he doesn't mind staying the summer, and I'm thinking, of course, he feels more comfortable being himself there and he probably has a boyfriend.

 

Regarding TEB, she always sounded like she had a cold, and when she live tweeted during the Masquerade ball, she said she sounded weird because it was before she had sinus surgery.

8 minutes ago, Forever8 said:

I always wanted Colleen and Scotty to be a supercouple. Imagine Lauren and Traci being in-laws. So much potential wasted because of killing off the eldest Abbott granddaughter. They could've thrown in a Sheila Carter esque enemy for them as a third party. Perhaps it can be a man that Colleen has an affair with. 

 

I hope Tricia is doing well too. 

 

Y&R would have to do better with recasting for Scotty though. Just imagine how much better JT's last go 'round in GC could've produced Colleen.  Also, had Colleen been there in the midst of the Dina mess. Dina could have doted on Colleen as a daughter while practically forgetting that Traci existed. It might've made for some interesting drama.