Stitch looked like a giant hairy fetus.

21 minutes ago, DeeeDee said:

None of the young black actors Y&R paraded about during Bryton's tenure were successful.

 

They must all be bad actors too.

 

None of the young white actors paraded around during Bryton's tenure were nearly as successful as him either (with the exception of MG who failed his fair share of stories while having the added beat of phyllis's to play in every story he  had while BJ didn't have Dru).  Doesn't that mean BJ is the best of the lost. 

15 minutes ago, Vee said:

 

I think that surely helped Devon recently. But I think the fact that Bryton was finally thrust into a major torrid romance, however tawdry in its early stages - and more importantly, with a very strong partner, MM - did even more several years ago. I don't think he can command the same stature on his own without her and these unique circumstances. Whether we agree or disagree, I think we'd agree we wish this situation wasn't about to test that theory.

 

And again, honestly unless they find some amazing actor to take over and unless they decide to totally reconceive Abby Newman creatively, pairing anyone with her - especially Devon - is a ticket to the backburner. Her last name hasn't saved the character or any of the men she's been paired with. Lookin' at you, Stitch and Scott.

 

And Bryton is better than most of the young men of color who came in during his run, with the possible exception of Lamon Archey. That still doesn't mean he's by default a strong lead. Pointing to other actors doesn't solve the issue.

 

Agree to an extent. I think the pairing with Hilary helped grow the character up. Made viewers see him as a possible romantic  partner for other ladies. You're spot on there.  But I can't give her credit for how he comes across, good or bad, in business scenarios. The guy has to own something. 

Edited June 7, 20188 yr by ajsp35801

Yeah, what I can say is once I saw her with him I was able to take him a bit more seriously as a businessman. Seeing him juggling female drama and work put things in a different light. Would it be the same with Abby, hell no. It'd be Teen Ricky and Lucy at the Copa.

1 hour ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

I think Neil's absence due to KSJs illness allowed the show to write both Lily and Devon as more competent in all aspects of their lives. This being made possible because the show no longer had to write him into their stories. Writers have a tendency to make them less than they could be to allow him the opportunity to play the wise patriarch. 

 

Something similar happened with the Noah character, who was always better as a child/adolescent character but when he reached adulthood got a lot of poorly written storylines and odd pairings that flopped.

 

 

Speaking of parallels, Hilary did fill that role that Sharon used to occupy, the villified character that TPTB would plunck down in any storyline that was failing because the actress (MM and SC) is so versatile that they both can lift just about any sagging storyline.

Edited June 7, 20188 yr by DramatistDreamer

I think both Adamson and Ordway were cast because JFP knew and liked them from Hollywood Heights. But there was no actual plan for a character or what to do with them. I think he was more talented than her, but his character never went anywhere. Abby and Noah (and to a lesser extent Kyle, who knows about the latest one) exist(ed) to be male and female story/romance widgets on the show. They are not actual fleshed out characters, and they are not played by actors capable of elevating mediocrity.

4 minutes ago, Vee said:

Yeah, what I can say is once I saw her with him I was able to take him a bit more seriously as a businessman. Seeing him juggling female drama and work put things in a different light. Would it be the same with Abby, hell no. It'd be Teen Ricky and Lucy at the Copa.

 

I get it, Hilary makes you take him more seriously. I've noticed that they dress him differently when he's with her versus not. When he was with Mariah,Devon's suits diappeared. Once he started back being pushed more into Hilary's orbit again, the suits reapoeared. 

4 minutes ago, Vee said:

I think both Adamson and Ordway were cast because JFP knew and liked them from Hollywood Heights. But there was no actual plan for a character or what to do with them. I think he was more talented than her, but his character never went anywhere. Abby and Noah (and to a lesser extent Kyle, who knows about the latest one) exist(ed) to be male and female story/romance widgets on the show. They are not actual fleshed out characters, and they are not played by actors capable of elevating mediocrity.

 

Adult Noah's role on the show seemed more to be Sharon's support than a character in his own right. Mariah often times feel the same way. 

Abby gets a decent amount of airtime, and has a lot of connections. I think that her and Devon would get decent airtime if they show decided to put them together. Especially if they slow burned the relationship and had her support him after losing him losing Hilary. 

 

I think that one of her biggest problems she's had with men in the past if that she was in lot of situations where she was either in triangles with them with her relatives/ex relatives. And/or they dated her relatives/ex-relatives. (Victoria, Nikki, Ashley, Sharon, etc...).... Devon hasn't dated a lot of her family members like that and I think that he could be a nice change of pace for her.(I like her with Arturo too though he has already been involved with Nikki and was mixing it up with Summer the other day.) In addition to seeing a nice chemistry between them, I think that she's doing a nice job as Abby. (I love her devotion to Ashley and how she cares about Jack even when he messes up.)

Edited June 7, 20188 yr by xtr

I liked Robert Adamson but as stated there didn't seem any commitment to Noah as anything more than a plot point.

 

And he simply presented as TOO OLD to play JM's son.

When did actors (especially actors of color that are already dealing with the inherent systemic obstacles issues historically plaguing the genre) suddenly need all these qualifications to qualify as a "strong lead" on Y&R?

 

Heinle & Morrow are passable actors, at best, and they're never without stories & airtime.

Again, pointing to other mediocre leads doesn't address any critique of Bryton James. It's deflecting. You can disagree, as others have, but simply changing the subject isn't an argument. Nor does suggesting BJ isn't necessarily the bee's knees mean absolving anyone else.

It's not deflecting.

 

It's pointing out that he's being held to a higher standard than other actors on the same show.

 

Just own your hypocrisy. It's not that difficult a concept.

Edited June 7, 20188 yr by DeeeDee

2 minutes ago, Vee said:

Again, pointing to other mediocre leads doesn't address any critique of Bryton James. It's deflecting. You can disagree, as others have, but simply changing the subject isn't an argument. Nor does suggesting BJ isn't necessarily the bee's knees mean absolving anyone else.

 

I like him though. So I don't see this big problem that you guys see. Maybe if he'd had all these failed pairings and story, I might. But just hasn't been given the opportunity yet. 

And that's fair - that's a difference of opinion on the topic. I was addressing the post above me. Speaking of:

 

1 minute ago, DeeeDee said:

Just own your hypocrisy. It's not that difficult a concept.

 

Sure. So when you can talk about the actual points about BJ and not do whataboutism trying to talk about literally anything else, you know where to find me.

 

Or you could admit you just don't really give a shít about the original topic - Mishael Morgan's firing - and tip out. Your call.

1 hour ago, Vee said:

Stitch looked like a giant hairy fetus.

 

Correction: he looked like a giant, hairy fetus with shitty tats.

2 minutes ago, Vee said:

And that's fair - that's a difference of opinion on the topic. I was addressing the post above me. Speaking of:

 

 

Sure. So when you can talk about the actual points about BJ and not do whataboutism trying to talk about literally anything else, you know where to find me.

 

Or you could admit you just don't really give a shít about the original topic - Mishael Morgan's firing - and tip out. Your call.

 

I hate to be a pest but, talking [!@#$%^&*] about bryton isn't the original topic either.  I maintain that it's odd to turn a topic about Sony not valuing Mishael into a bitch fest about bryton.