20 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

Watched today's Christmas Special and it was surprisingly well done and actually felt heartwarming especially coming off of Friday's disastrous episode, despite its flaws like the glaring lack of any family time in these vignettes. 

 

Somebody needs to do a complete overhaul of the Abbott family at this point in time. Mal Young is NOT the person to do it though. 

 

It was decent enough, but I couldn't help but think that they could have done Nikki's scenes with Jill instead...

3 minutes ago, YRfan23 said:

It was decent enough, but I couldn't help but think that they could have done Nikki's scenes with Jill instead...

 

That would have been great, but unfortunately this regime just proved last week they can't write for Jill. 

4 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

 

That would have been great, but unfortunately this regime just proved last week they can't write for Jill. 

It would have been more emotional IMO, but I agree I think we will never get the REAL Jill ever again...   

On 12/18/2017 at 7:22 PM, Soapsuds said:

And the actor who plays Carmine is thirsty for work. He continues to post a lot of pics of himself on FB. Showing off his chest and bod.

And suuuure does. Yum!!! 

 

So I on Thursday of last week and...only a few jarring moments for me.

 

WHAT I LIKED

 

There was a camera angle in the Wednesday Lily/Hillary scene that was excellent and made that living room look wider than it normally does.

 

Anything Abbott actually. One day aside, there was a good flow and tension over that Abbott board meeting and some decent fallout from it. Like the rest of  you though, I'm not liking some of what Jack is saying to Ashley since he has known 'the secret' for decades to now be throwing it in her face. Uh...NO. Jack WOULDN'T do that. 

 

I find it very interesting that what SSM did with the Newmans by putting Victor at odds with the family in a glided cage is what is now being done to Nikki. And while her and the money is something Nikki WOULDN'T do...I will say the setup to it at that dinner was excellent. Still...there was some jarring transitions on that that was not as easy to hide as the Abbott drama was.

 

The returns. I like seeing JT with some story. And Jill is...Jill...and the reason I've been bingewatching again.

 

WHAT I DIDN'T LIKED

 

Just the out of charcter-ness. Speaking of...JILL WOULD NEVER SELL THE COMPANY!!!!! HELL TO THE NO!!!

 

Yep. I'm kinda over the Billy/Phyllis scenes. Has gotten worse I feel than that first few MY episodes.

 

Anything Cane. I just can't.

 

Goody Goody Hillary is coming across fake...or like a Karla Mosley clone tbh. 

 

OVERALL: Not bad...YET.

44 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

And suuuure does. Yum!!! 

 

 

1 hour ago, Soapsuds said:

 

I finally got curious and went to take a look and I tell you what, there are some thirsty beyeotches on that FB page!

 

The Christmas episode was a definite improvement from the previous episode but that previous episode was so bad, it wouldn't have really taken much to surpass it.

 

Hilary's vignette was definitely the standout in the special episode. Nikki's wasn't bad but it definitely would've had more resonance had it been that lady telling Jill, "listen heifer, don't you dare sell Chancellor Industries after all you did to get your claws in that company!" 

 

Got to be honest, I sort of zoned out on the Billy/Phyllis vignette. Did I miss anything? lol.

I actually liked the vignette set up. 

I thought that the entire Christmas episode was lousy except for the Sharon/Mariah scenes. There’s been growth in their relationship, so it all felt real and genuine.

 

The Nikki stuff? Awful. So the heartwarming message is that Katherine will be forever known by her expensive necklace?? The necklace that Nikki leaves hanging on the Chancellor Park sign?? My God. 

 

Billy and Phyllis? That pear tree looked so fake it was pathetic. And you mean if a gift for your true love hadn’t arrived by Xmas Eve, you wouldn’t shop for something else? You’d use your “I’m a screwup” line again? UGH.

 

The Hilary segment didn’t work because by Wednesday, any impact from this experience will be gone and Hilary will be back to her old self with no changes, no growth. She’ll scream at Mariah again, too.

 

And what kind of young kid watches GCBuzz and writes Santa letters to send there? And why would Hilary open a letter on air for the first time and read it? No television show operates that way. It wasn’t touching or interesting or moving. It was bad.

 

No, Christmas wasn’t bad for me, either. This episode was Bah Humbug CRAP, though.

9 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

I thought that the entire Christmas episode was lousy except for the Sharon/Mariah scenes. There’s been growth in their relationship, so it all felt real and genuine.

 

The Nikki stuff? Awful. So the heartwarming message is that Katherine will be forever known by her expensive necklace?? The necklace that Nikki leaves hanging on the Chancellor Park sign?? My God. 

 

Billy and Phyllis? That pear tree looked so fake it was pathetic. And you mean if a gift for your true love hadn’t arrived by Xmas Eve, you wouldn’t shop for something else? You’d use your “I’m a screwup” line again? UGH.

 

The Hilary segment didn’t work because by Wednesday, any impact from this experience will be gone and Hilary will be back to her old self with no changes, no growth. She’ll scream at Mariah again, too.

 

And what kind of young kid watches GCBuzz and writes Santa letters to send there? And why would Hilary open a letter on air for the first time and read it? No television show operates that way. It wasn’t touching or interesting or moving. It was bad.

 

No, Christmas wasn’t bad for me, either. This episode was Bah Humbug CRAP, though.

 

I wasn't a big fan of Hilary's segment because the show has played that arc too many times for her. It's seems meaningless. It'll only work if they use it as a tipping point to change her behavior without random regression to make to story "interesting", i.e. Her putting Tessa's arrest out there on GC Buzz AFTER she said she wouldn't do that to anyone anymore because of the nudes.

 

On the other hand, it seemed that they're using it to give Hilary's character new motivation. A family. Which seems in line with what they've been doing with her lately. 

13 hours ago, Soapsuds said:

I always did love the Carmine/Lauren affair. I just didn't want him to go psycho or die. Never so glad for a rewrite.  

1 hour ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

I wasn't a big fan of Hilary's segment because the show has played that arc too many times for her. It's seems meaningless. It'll only work if they use it as a tipping point to change her behavior without random regression to make to story "interesting", i.e. Her putting Tessa's arrest out there on GC Buzz AFTER she said she wouldn't do that to anyone anymore because of the nudes.

 

As much as I loved it for the pure acting by MM, you're right I had to roll my eyes at the end of Hillary's part (her writing a letter) because it's not going to change anything. Any attempt to humanize her IMO at this point falls flat bc tomorrow we'll be back at square one. 

9 minutes ago, MichaelGL said:

As much as I loved it for the pure acting by MM, you're right I had to roll my eyes at the end of Hillary's part (her writing a letter) because it's not going to change anything. Any attempt to humanize her IMO at this point falls flat bc tomorrow we'll be back at square one. 

 

I'm interested to see how long it'll take for the show to use her as the villain to drive story. I see that they've changed her writing quite a bit. But I can't imagine them staying on that course. 

I just watched the first season of Dear White People on Netflix, and Coco was a somewhat similar character to Hilary. Ambitious, cutting, calculating, willing to be somewhat cruel. She has all the markings of an obnoxious, abrasive bitch, but the difference is that we're always aware of her character motivations and her humble beginnings, which makes her sympathetic. Hilary just seems to be a thoughtless barracuda, and the shifts between that and the softer scenes just feel leaden and disconnected.

29 minutes ago, MichaelGL said:

As much as I loved it for the pure acting by MM, you're right I had to roll my eyes at the end of Hillary's part (her writing a letter) because it's not going to change anything. Any attempt to humanize her IMO at this point falls flat bc tomorrow we'll be back at square one. 

I can never get excited when she’s human for that exact reason unless it’s in scenes with her new circle of friends. Thus far they’ve kept her loyal to them.

23 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

I just watched the first season of Dear White People on Netflix, and Coco was a somewhat similar character to Hilary. Ambitious, cutting, calculating, willing to be somewhat cruel. She has all the markings of an obnoxious, abrasive bitch, but the difference is that we're always aware of her character motivations and her humble beginnings, which makes her sympathetic. Hilary just seems to be a thoughtless barracuda, and the shifts between that and the softer scenes just feel leaden and disconnected.

 

Hillary also came from humble beginnings but the show didn't play that. She was played as more of a spoiled princess than a scrapper determined to rise up in life. Her writing was better suited for Abby than someone who grew up poor. But that was to juxtapose against Mariah as opposites during their rivalry. Now that's over, they are rewriting the character again. No longer driven by fortune, fame, and running GC, I'm assuming her new motivation will be...a family. Y&R just can't make up their mind on who this character is. She changes with each arc.