24 minutes ago, Mitch said:

Ha..pervy Brad. I was watching at this time and I still don't remember how, if he was so in love with Dee...(did they have kiss or have sex..) he chooses to marry Annie instead, and how no one but John knows what is really happening.  The Dobson's did get John, but that was about it on ATWT so it became the John Dixon hour. That scene between Brad and Dee goes on and on..and it would work if the two actors had chemistry...fiiled with regret and longing, but it just drags on with these two. The Stewarts owning a silver mine is dumb.

Nancy is stone cold in this and so much different then the good grandma Marland made her. I like that she is steel here and her line reading "Lisa doesn't tell me what to do" ..ah Joyce, you in trouble girl! I liked that she could be the loving mom, grandma and friend, but would not take anyone's crap. Did the Dobson's have trouble writing that after coming off Bert Bauer..or was it just a dumb..lets make everything younger and force Wagner to quit?  I think it would have been fun to write a matriarch like her..part Alice Horton part Angela Channing. What coma is poor boring Mary in now..the one that came from her and Joyce arguing or when she got hit by a car?I actually think poor befulded Don is kind of sexy...but then I thought "fat" fat Ed Bauer...of which we get a glimpse here. was sexy too.

I tend to be confused about the Brad/Dee timeline, if they ever even had a relationship. I know he came on before the Peter Simon character (Ian) died, and was initially conning Lisa - I can't remember, from the old clips, if John was already chasing after Dee when she was with Ian, or if all this started when Ian died. It's a bit odd now, looking back, to go directly into a love quad after Dee was supposed to be traumatized from Ian dying on top of her. And I don't understand why they needed the involvement with Annie - wasn't she meant to be in love with Jeff at this time? I was surprised he wasn't mentioned or shown anywhere in these episodes. Poor Annie seems so matronly. 

Then after she and John marry, he goes on trial for rape as she thinks she's sleeping with Brad, or whatever that was...I just don't remember if she ever actually ends up with Brad. Was he gone by the time the Dobsons returned? Or did the Dobsons write him out when they came back?

Sometimes I wonder why ATWT let Peter Reckell go, but I can kind of see it here - he's very pretty, but also stumbly and a bit generic. He had the same problem at Knots. I wonder if Bo was just the perfect fit for him. 

I agree that Suzanne Davidson is very likeable, and easy to watch. I can see why Meg Ryan said she initially got a bad response from fans in taking over (I know there was a Betsy between them).

My favorite part of that Nancy scene is when Joyce says, "Am I so terrible?" and Nancy....just.....pauses, before not even answering the question. Bone-chilling. That's what people watch soaps for, not "Stewart Mining." (I got a good laugh out of that little name card)

Edited November 8, 20214 yr by DRW50

18 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I tend to be confused about the Brad/Dee timeline, if they ever even had a relationship. I know he came on before the Peter Simon character (Ian) died, and was initially conning Lisa - I can't remember, from the old clips, if John was already chasing after Dee when she was with Ian, or if all this started when Ian died. It's a bit odd now, looking back, to go directly into a love quad after Dee was supposed to be traumatized from Ian dying on top of her. And I don't understand why they needed the involvement with Annie - wasn't she meant to be in love with Jeff at this time? I was surprised he wasn't mentioned or shown anywhere in these episodes. Poor Annie seems so matronly. 

Then after she and John marry, he goes on trial for rape as she thinks she's sleeping with Brad, or whatever that was...I just don't remember if she ever actually ends up with Brad. Was he gone by the time the Dobsons returned? Or did the Dobsons write him out when they came back?

Sometimes I wonder why ATWT let Peter Reckell go, but I can kind of see it here - he's very pretty, but also stumbly and a bit generic. He had the same problem at Knots. I wonder if Bo was just the perfect fit for him. 

I agree that Suzanne Davidson is very likeable, and easy to watch. I can see why Meg Ryan said she initially got a bad response from fans in taking over (I know there was a Betsy between them).

My favorite part of that Nancy scene is when Joyce says, "Am I so terrible?" and Nancy....just.....pauses, before not even answering the question. Bone-chilling. That's what people watch soaps for, not "Stewart Mining." (I got a good laugh out of that little name card)

People were complaining that the Dobson's were just doing Ed/Holly/Roger/Rita here but it was not as sexy and fun.  No ONE not even John has energy in this quad. Apparently after Ian died in the "act" on top of poor Dee, she became as Marland would write on GL..."frigid" and afraid of sexual relations, so John Svengalied her and that part makes sense. The Brad part does not. he just appears out of nowhere, and stalks Dee while Annie moons over him, as he rips Nancy and Chris out of their land? How do Brad and Dee even have any kind of relationship and again, why marry poor dowdy Annie? Now if they had made Brad an ex of Dee's that she was in love with from before...and maybe he and Annie screw (after Dee rejects him) and she is preggers, so they marry, but both of regrets on the decision.

And DO NOT f*ck with Nancy Hughes here...bitch would take a few seconds from mixing the cake batter to freeze you to death with that cold stare! I love it and Wagner must have had fun playing it as she always was colder then Charita...

 

22 minutes ago, Mitch said:

People were complaining that the Dobson's were just doing Ed/Holly/Roger/Rita here but it was not as sexy and fun.  No ONE not even John has energy in this quad. Apparently after Ian died in the "act" on top of poor Dee, she became as Marland would write on GL..."frigid" and afraid of sexual relations, so John Svengalied her and that part makes sense. The Brad part does not. he just appears out of nowhere, and stalks Dee while Annie moons over him, as he rips Nancy and Chris out of their land? How do Brad and Dee even have any kind of relationship and again, why marry poor dowdy Annie? Now if they had made Brad an ex of Dee's that she was in love with from before...and maybe he and Annie screw (after Dee rejects him) and she is preggers, so they marry, but both of regrets on the decision.

And DO NOT f*ck with Nancy Hughes here...bitch would take a few seconds from mixing the cake batter to freeze you to death with that cold stare! I love it and Wagner must have had fun playing it as she always was colder then Charita...

Thanks. 

I wonder if Brad was intended to be Roger here - or maybe that was John, I don't know. It's like they split Roger in half, as John is the dark villain whose women issues define him (as shown in that drinking scene above) while Brad is supposed to be an all-powerful sexual figure, I guess....?????

Maybe they should have waited until Michael Zaslow's time at GL wound down and cast him as Brad, rather than a guy who is basically Brad Dourif without the charisma. Hell, Brad Dourif and Powers Boothe had more sexual chemistry in the Jonestown film around this point than this guy has with anybody. 

Sorry to beat a dead horse, I'm sure the guy was nice in real life, I just get PTSD any time I go back and watch his character. 

The actor (Peter Brouwer) playing odd ball Brad before joining ATWT was in the original Friday The 13th with Kevin Bacon (before he was on GL). F13 was released in 1980, but was filmed in 1979. His character in that film was an odd ball too. 

 

 

 

What a treat this is. What an absolute treat. Thanks to that teaser for "Brothers" (a failed pilot co-starring Charles Levin), we can pinpoint the first portion as Wednesday, July 30, 1980, followed by the July 31 episode.

The only other thing I have to add is that I think Peter Billingsley is in the first Duncan Hines ad and I think I spotted Deborah Harmon in the split second of the Charmin ad at the very start. (Sorry, that's all I've got, confirming the date and naming commercial folks.)

ETA: And Charles Kimbrough in the Joy ad. Ha ... the fictional and real-life husbands of Beth Howland.

EETA: Jason Hervey in the Velveeta ad. (The mom at the start looks familiar, too.) And Sela Ward for Night of Olay.

... And I'm 90 percent certain that's Carlin Glynn, "Miss Mona" to Henderson Forsythe's "Sheriff Ed Earl" in the OBC of Best Little Whorehouse, in the Sure ad.

Edited November 8, 20214 yr by Franko

@Franko thanks, great detective work! I'm sure the original uploader will appreciate the date. 

2 hours ago, SoapDope said:

The actor (Peter Brouwer) playing odd ball Brad before joining ATWT was in the original Friday The 13th with Kevin Bacon (before he was on GL). F13 was released in 1980, but was filmed in 1979. His character in that film was an odd ball too. 

 

 

 

Ha..everytime I see that on TV I have to say..in disgust..."Ugh, Brad Hollister!" I think the writers before the Dobsons return wrote him out (Tom King?) but it was getting really gross as Lisa, who Brad conned before...was throwing herself at him! Uggggh!

Even though she's being identified by her work on Passions here, Christian LeBlanc said "Hi Sis" in the comments, which I thought was cute.

 

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19 hours ago, DRW50 said:

Thanks @victoria foxton. This seems to be the end of one episode and then another, with a few minutes of GL in between. I think that GL episode is on Youtube so that may help us with the date. 

That first episode has a transition shot between that googly-eyed, mustached baddie in the James story (who ends up kidnapping Barbara eventually - one of her 500 kidnappings in these years) and Brad, also googly-eyed and mustached. One was meant to be wicked, the other was meant to be our hero. Funnily enough I think the baddie is much more charismatic and attractive even though he is obviously not meant to be. 

What a live wire Joyce is. You can just feel the tortured energy from her and even as you are sympathetic toward her, you aren't surprised that Nancy, who spent her life trying not to be that type of woman, absolutely detests her. That ATWT fired Barbara Rodell and let Helen Wagner quit in this period, while parading a series of ingenues so wan they make Rosanna look like Lucinda Walsh, is truly sad. 

Did they intend to dress Dee like Alice in Wonderland? The dress, the headband, everything. Jacquie Schulz has an appeal to her, it's just what they do with her that is so dull.

Nice to see more of early Lyla, and of course Cricket, with her special line readings...

Veleka Gray reminds me of Lois Nettleton.

@Mitch you might enjoy this one too.

I put the dates up on the previous page (855) Jul 30 & 31 1980.

ETA: Oh @Franko has also put them, haha. I guess my post got lost in the mix of things

Edited November 8, 20214 yr by will81

5 hours ago, Mitch said:

And DO NOT f*ck with Nancy Hughes here...bitch would take a few seconds from mixing the cake batter to freeze you to death with that cold stare! I love it and Wagner must have had fun playing it as she always was colder then Charita...

 

I'll have to respectfully disagree there. Charita could play cold better than anybody and she played Bert as very cold for most of the character's run. Way colder than Nancy ever was. 

Nancy had reasons to be stone cold to Joyce..and it seems like the Dobson's got Joyce..and to a lesser extent Nancy.

I think Nancy and Joyce were pushed out after the Dobson's left the first time.

Another character they wrote well was Carol...the nice girl.  In other 1980 episodes, she's written well.

Eric Hollister (Bo Reckell) seemed to be impersonating Peter Brady's famous "pork chops and applesauce" line on the Brady Bunch.  Brad Hollister was downright pervy-looking, and Dee seemed about ready to swoon.  None of that worked exactly right, lol.    

14 hours ago, Bill Bauer said:

I'll have to respectfully disagree there. Charita could play cold better than anybody and she played Bert as very cold for most of the character's run. Way colder than Nancy ever was. 

Yea, before my time...ever since I watched she was the good grandma, friend to all who could, when needed, give someone a kick in the ass.  I still can't believe that Charita was in her early 60s when she died...I guess I am also used to Marland's Nancy...who, like all his characters, thought it was bad form and impolite to loose their temper...where more blue collar Bert had not problem showing a bit of fire.

 

13 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

Nancy had reasons to be stone cold to Joyce..and it seems like the Dobson's got Joyce..and to a lesser extent Nancy.

I think Nancy and Joyce were pushed out after the Dobson's left the first time.

Another character they wrote well was Carol...the nice girl.  In other 1980 episodes, she's written well.

Such an odd time...for the first half of their first run, the Dobson's were including Nancy and Chris, and then that winter, they practically disappeared when they should have been involved..John's rape trial, with Lyla's testimony on the stand that Margo was John's kid...the return of Natalie...Joyce up to no good (which led to Wagner quitting, a week before the 25th anniversary.)  I remember that summer an influx of..nobodies...and a middle aged asian couple (no problem with them being asian, it just was weird that they were going for youth and these...middle aged nobodies appeared...) but when Bunim came in and fired the deadweight it would have been easy to bring Wagner back and recenter the show but she didnt.  Agreed, Carol was nice but not a push over...(and forgotten to make way for Steve/Betsy) I still would have liked to know where they were going with some stuff...what was going to happen with Joyce's fake brain tumor...what did they envision the dreaded John/Dee/Brad/Annie quad was going, what was Natalie going to do...(the new writers had her trading barbs with Lisa and trying to babysit her bio kid...) where was Babs/James/Margo going...(what was his Egyptian artifacts thing all about...)

I would really like to know backstage why the Dobson's left the first time and oddly enough, they were brought back within a year which seems to never happen to head writers.

 

3 hours ago, Broderick said:

ric Hollister (Bo Reckell) seemed to be impersonating Peter Brady's famous "pork chops and applesauce" line on the Brady Bunch.

I wondered what he was reminding me in that!! What was that line reading all about????

 

 

Edited November 9, 20214 yr by Mitch

Some things just age really badly.

Like porn-staches.

 

3 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Some things just age really badly.

Like porn-staches.

 

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