Jump to content

As The World Turns Discussion Thread


edgeofnik

Recommended Posts

  • Members

I can't get over how garish that set looks.

Not that I forgot, but Liz Hubbard is smokin' in that scene. It's interesting to see her as Lucinda without the constant head-tossing and other signature tics going on.

Karen was a fun character, even though I don't remember much specifics about her stories. But the actress (and I forget her name) frequently turns up in bit parts and always remember her face.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 12.9k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

  • P.J.

    668

  • Soapsuds

    1228

  • DRW50

    2478

  • DramatistDreamer

    1560

Top Posters In This Topic

Posted Images

  • Members

What was never written onscreen, and is not often mentioned in these comments, is that Kim's problem with Bob's affair with Susan WAS ALL ABOUT DAN.

Sure, Kim's husband cheating on her hurt her. But it's WHO it was with--a woman who'd caused her years of misery and kept her from ANOTHER man, Dan. A man who died. A man who Susan, in a way, cut short Kim's time with.

Dan Stewart was long forgotten, even by 1990, and certainly over a decade later, when Kim and Susan sparred regularly over Chris and Alison. But to those of us watching THEN, Dan was always the silent, unspoken elephant standing in the room.

Anyone who posts about Bob/Kim/Susan needs to reference the history with Dan. It's essential. I howl at some of the posters on message boards like these. They want us to believe they were watching back then with us. They weren't. I appreciate their interest. But don't speak of what you don't know.

Kim and Susan? IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT DAN.

It is realistic in a way, because some people never get over an indiscretion and keep bringing it up. I will give them that.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Kathy McNeil, later Kate. She had a fun role as a vixen on the CBS prime timer WIOU, which I really liked. I think she was a series regular on a few short lived shows. I last saw her a few times on BIG LOVE as a nun who helped polygamist wives gain shelter after they escaped the compounds.

BTW, somebody asked why ATWT never brought Lisa Loring back as Billy's mom, Cricket. Actually, soap fans ask why a lot of "retired" actors and (especially) actresses don't "come back" to their shows for appearances.

I hate to sound mean, but Google Loring's physical appearance in years following ATWT, and you'll see why she (and dozens of others) never returned onscreen. Sorry, but television is a VERY visual medium. Not every actress is Kim Zimmer and gets to keep her job after she blows up. Right, Laura Malone and Patti D'Arbanville?

It wouldn't bother ME. But I'm not a casting director or executive producer.

I can't get over how garish that set looks.

Not that I forgot, but Liz Hubbard is smokin' in that scene. It's interesting to see her as Lucinda without the constant head-tossing and other signature tics going on.

Karen was a fun character, even though I don't remember much specifics about her stories. But the actress (and I forget her name) frequently turns up in bit parts and always remember her face.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Kathy McNeil, later Kate. She had a fun role as a vixen on the CBS prime timer WIOU, which I really liked. I think she was a series regular on a few short lived shows. I last saw her a few times on BIG LOVE as a nun who helped polygamist wives gain shelter after they escaped the compounds.

BTW, somebody asked why ATWT never brought Lisa Loring back as Billy's mom, Cricket. Actually, soap fans ask why a lot of "retired" actors and (especially) actresses don't "come back" to their shows for appearances.

I hate to sound mean, but Google Loring's physical appearance in years following ATWT, and you'll see why she (and dozens of others) never returned onscreen. Sorry, but television is a VERY visual medium. Not every actress is Kim Zimmer and gets to keep her job after she blows up. Right, Laura Malone and Patti D'Arbanville?

It wouldn't bother ME. But I'm not a casting director or executive producer.

That's the name! She was on a Quantum Leap back eppy set around the Civil War and ended up being Sam Beckett's grandma or something.

Ditto re: Dan. I kinda get where it was hard to bring him up decades after he died, but when it came to Bob and Susan's affair, he should have been brought up. Hey, but it's not everyone who gets not one, but two grandchildren named after them.

Edited by P.J.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Wow, that Bob/Kim scene....man Kim is brutal. But in the context of what was happening...(his affair, her estrangement and David's death) it makes sense. I love the Kim/John scene..I liked them as friends and co-parents but he was still able to get under people's skin. I love the line, "Do you ever regret divorcing Lucinda?" Uh, if John didn't the viewers did. What was up with Marland doing that?

I do realize that the big thing is not that Bob had an affair, but it was with Susan and that he still had the hots for her of all people. I still can't beleive Marland never brought Dan up. I can here Susan saying "Face it Kim, its about Dan as much as Bob, let it GO!" and Kim laying into Susan for that.

I thought the Karen actress left the show, not that she was written out. A lot of characters with potential left right before Marland....Karen, Diana, Maggie...all the kind of women that Marland could have worked with (and eventually turn into wusses worrying about Lily.)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

You can add Ariel to that. And, much as I loved Felicia Gallant, I missed Cynthia Haines. David should've married her. Ellen and David had much more story apart than together. Imagine Ellen listing for John, hmmmm? Dee would've loved that. And if Brad could date Annie and Lisa, then Ellen was fair game too--she and Lisa were contemporaries. Plus, Ellen got youthified at this time and looked about 25 years younger than she did a decade earlier.

Karen was VERY complex. Much of it due to Kathy McNeil. But John's exes never lasted long on the show. To have seen Ariel and Karen later sparring with Lucinda...

And, quite frankly, every time James Stenbeck returned, these two could've easily been brought back to play.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

I imagine it took several years. Even in the 1979 clips that are on Youtube, he still seems to carry something of a torch for her, underneath his control issues and passive-aggressiveness. I think it wasn't until Dee that he really moved on.

I've never known if Maggie was gone before Marland took over or if he wrote her out. I do agree that Diana would have been a dynamic character for him, and while Karen was much tougher than his type of woman, and he may have written her as more zany (like Shannon), I wish we'd seen a little of her with him too.

I think Ariel should have returned after James was "killed" in 1989. I mean yes, she was campy, but considering how he wrote James' mother, clearly he didn't mind some camp in that material.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Ditto re: Dan. I kinda get where it was hard to bring him up decades after he died, but when it came to Bob and Susan's affair, he should have been brought up. Hey, but it's not everyone who gets not one, but two grandchildren named after them.

He was brought up. Perhaps not all that much, but he was. Kim angrily tells Bob that Susan slept with him to get back at her for Dan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f29FfY-RlI

I do wish they'd brought him up more often, but if he wasn't brought up more often it may have been down to ATWT getting many new viewers in the preceding decade who had little idea who he was, and their wanting to make sure viewers didn't see Susan as some type of homewrecker bent on ruining Kim's life.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Well, I should have known Marland would. With ALL of Emily's myriad of men and self-esteem issues, Dan's name should have been more brought up than it was. And considering Emily's default explanation for YEARS of vindictive and self-destructive behavior was Susan's bad parenting, I think Em should have been more prone to throwing out Dan's name.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Wow, that Bob/Kim scene....man Kim is brutal. But in the context of what was happening...(his affair, her estrangement and David's death) it makes sense. I love the Kim/John scene..I liked them as friends and co-parents but he was still able to get under people's skin. I love the line, "Do you ever regret divorcing Lucinda?" Uh, if John didn't the viewers did. What was up with Marland doing that?

I think it made sense for Lucinda's story. Lucinda lost everything - her husband, soon her company, and her daughter (to Holden), so we could see her build herself back up and question who she was.

Unfortunately there was no story for John. Other than his relationship with Iva (did anyone care?), he had little to do for years.

I remember a fan who used to say Marland had many strengths at ATWT but they could never fully accept him because John was one of their favorites and Marland never got John and instead made John dull and superfluous.

I do think he gave John some decent stuff at times, but as odd as it is, John is one of the very few characters who actually got better material post-Marland (his cancer, the lawsuit story with Lisa, his revenge on Lisa), than he did with Marland.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Please sign in to comment

You will be able to leave a comment after signing in



Sign In Now
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Recent Posts

    • Yes. That's one I was referring too. Unfortunately, no-one seems to have English version including the vault.  I did find old post on soap forum about this scene as someone used to have it posted in English on youtube back in 2009 but the channel is long gone. Ahh ok. That explains what Victor really said.
    • 2 Diane's and her son Zach--that Megan Hathaway (DiMera) pretended was Bo Brady's   PAMELA LUDWIG DAYS OF OUR LIVES    Diane Parker      1984 movies DEAD MAN WALKING   Leila       1988 RUSH WEEK      Toni Daniels      1989             DANA KIMMELL TEXAS      Dawn Marshall        1980 DYNASTY      Emily         1984 DAYS OF OUR LIVES   Diane Parker      1984 HOTEL           Denise       1986 THE YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS    Stephanie  at Rose DeVille's 1986-87   and DIFF'RENT STROKES      Michelle      1981; 1983; 1984 movies FRIDAY THE 13TH PART III              Chris     1982 SWEET SIXTEEN    Marci Burke        1983         Please register in order to view this content   BRIAN AUTENRIETH  DAYS OF OUR LIVES      Zachary Parker       1984-85 SANTA BARBARA          Young Marcello Armonti     1985                                        Brandon Capwell      1985-86
    • Carlo's Mom MARCELLA SAINT-AMANT DAYS OF OUR LIVES       Danielle ___ Forenza     1984-85 movie THE DEVIL'S GARDEN      Yasmine    1968           Cousin to Marlena and Cousin to Flame DEAN HOWELL DAYS OF OUR LIVES      Rick Paige       1984 SANTA BARBARA       Roy Beaufort      1990       Please register in order to view this content BARBARA MONTGOMERY  SEARCH FOR TOMORROW       Dr. Carmichael      1982 AS THE WORLD TURNS      Judge        1984 and AMEN         Casietta Hetebrink         1986-90 MARRIED PEOPLE         Olivia Williams     1990-91 movie MOSCOW ON THE HUDSON         Mrs. Marlowe    1984        
    • TIGE ANDREWS LOVE OF LIFE                    Tiny the Mobster            1954 and THE PHIL SILVERS SHOW   Private Gardner    1955-56 THE DETECTIVES   Detective Lieutenant John Russo    1959-62 GOMER PYLE, U.S.M.C.    Chief Petty Officer        1965 THE MOD SQUAD    Lieutenant Adam Greer       1968-73 CHiPS        Charley Davis    1978; 1979; 1981               ROBERT PHALEN ANOTHER WORLD       Orderly       1973 GENERAL HOSPITAL        Private Investigator Lou Hollister      1978 KNOTS LANDING          _____ Carlisle      1980 DALLAS      WGIM Newscaster      1980 SEARCH FOR TOMORROW     Mr. Phillips       1983 ANOTHER WORLD         Ross the murderer     1984 HOTEL          Dr. Blair     1987 DALLAS    Senator Wynn       1988 HOMEFRONT      Loan Officer     1992 and CENTENNIAL    Reverend Holly        1979 movies       THREE DAYS OF THE CONDOR    Newberry      1975 HALLOWEEN          Dr. Terrence Wynn      1978   BABYLON 5 fans will recognize him as Anton Ivanov, Susan Ivanova's father    1994.  
    • Always exciting to have what may be my first proper exposure to COVID over the holiday visiting family. Nephew's classmate got it. We're both double vaxxed (I haven't had a booster yet and neither has he, my last dose was in May) but I guess we'll see!
  • On Soap Opera Network

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy