On 3/6/2020 at 12:12 PM, Mitch said:

I never knew why they didn't just write Frank out at that point...he was so popular,? Frankie D was such a great actor.? What is wrong with writing popular couples out when one leaves..if the shows were so geared towards super couples instead of writing "characters" who happen to be in a relationship...both should go. The Eleni recast was bland and Frank as a character faded into the woodwork.

 

Post Long Curlee writers and producers, especially Rauch, never got that Reva was never a sex goddess, she was a passionate women with an unapologetic earthy sexuality and had a good heart but made really bad choices, Reva's main problem was that men (mostly Josh) just saw the sex part and not that she was real whole person.  She was not the Sex Godess that all men fell for as Rauch made her.

 

I'm guessing Rauch wanted Zimmer/Reva to be the Lucci/Erica of GL. Sex Goddess all the men fall for her. Not even close! lol. It never worked. Early flavor Reva is SOOOO different and such a better character than Reva was in her return.

 

I love Josh and Reva but I always found them to be a toxic couple, lol. Even early flavor but there was just so many layers and better writing and acting. It worked. It didn't work when they randomly had Josh screaming at Reva and hating her.

 

On 3/19/2020 at 2:04 AM, victoria foxton said:

The last really good HW GL had. Way too much Buzzard. GL was still desperately trying to make Mindy & Nick into a big super couple. Too many of JFP's people in roles. Everything had a dark brownish hue. The only things i liked was Vanessa and Bridget. And David and Bridget's friendship. 

 

All of that was JFP. It's so devastating to watch such a smart, sexy, well written show turn into ... a Phelps show. Phelps is so lucky she had Curlee for a bit but she clearly drove her away. I can't say I blame Curlee. It all fell apart though. I can't even say Jill made the show any better looking because I thought it looked fine. They really fucked up the show's momentum. It never recovered IMO. I can kinda understand why, in 1991, they'd hire Jill Phelps, but ... 

 

I do think P&G soaps were probably dead after Edward Trach was gone.

 

Not sure why CBS/P&G ever wanted to replicate the ABC and NBC soaps. Sad how all three networks had such unique soaps that stood on their own only to get muddled in the 00s and become the same as each other. 

Edited March 20, 20205 yr by KMan101

Also from March 1995

Wendy Moniz first episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWIC-UzZTEg

Monti Sharp last episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_7Acub2lDA

 

Besides the big cast purge and EP/HW changes, 1995 also saw recasts (Rebecca Budig, Russell Curry, Wendy Moniz, Toby Poser, Jennifer Rozell), returns (Lisa Brown, Michael O'Leary, Kim Zimmer), and time slot changes by CBS affiliates in major media markets. I'm amazed GL made it through the rest of the 1990s after all this went down.

 

53 minutes ago, KateW said:

Also from March 1995

Wendy Moniz first episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWIC-UzZTEg

Monti Sharp last episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_7Acub2lDA

 

Besides the big cast purge and EP/HW changes, 1995 also saw recasts (Rebecca Budig, Russell Curry, Wendy Moniz, Toby Poser, Jennifer Rozell), returns (Lisa Brown, Michael O'Leary, Kim Zimmer), and time slot changes by CBS affiliates in major media markets. I'm amazed GL made it through the rest of the 1990s after all this went down.

 

The show barely survived 1995 and 1996. It was nearly canceled, supposedly, in early 1995. The ratings rise in late '95 helped buy some time, but the rumors started again by fall '96 when the ratings crashed. If the Bells had wanted to expand B&B to an hour I think GL would have been canceled. It felt like they were thisclose around that time period to the B&B hour. (they were, of course, smart not to do so - I don't think it would be on today if they had)

Watching these recently uploaded episodes of GL from 1994 reminds me how much potential the show had after Curlees departure yet horribly wasted it. It makes me sad. 

On 3/20/2020 at 2:16 AM, DRW50 said:

Is this James Goodwin?

 

 

 

No, I think that's Jay Acovone (ex-Brian Emerson, SFT).  Unless you were talking about the parrot?

On 3/20/2020 at 10:27 AM, KMan101 said:

 

I'm guessing Rauch wanted Zimmer/Reva to be the Lucci/Erica of GL. Sex Goddess all the men fall for her. Not even close! lol. It never worked. Early flavor Reva is SOOOO different and such a better character than Reva was in her return.

 

I love Josh and Reva but I always found them to be a toxic couple, lol. Even early flavor but there was just so many layers and better writing and acting. It worked. It didn't work when they randomly had Josh screaming at Reva and hating her.

 

 

All of that was JFP. It's so devastating to watch such a smart, sexy, well written show turn into ... a Phelps show. Phelps is so lucky she had Curlee for a bit but she clearly drove her away. I can't say I blame Curlee. It all fell apart though. I can't even say Jill made the show any better looking because I thought it looked fine. They really fucked up the show's momentum. It never recovered IMO. I can kinda understand why, in 1991, they'd hire Jill Phelps, but ... 

 

I do think P&G soaps were probably dead after Edward Trach was gone.

 

Not sure why CBS/P&G ever wanted to replicate the ABC and NBC soaps. Sad how all three networks had such unique soaps that stood on their own only to get muddled in the 00s and become the same as each other. 

Oh stop! Nancy Curlee, to this day, is friends with JFP. Stop saying that Jill drove Nancy away. That is completely false. Geez. #getFactsBeforePosting

3 hours ago, VanessaReardon said:

Oh stop! Nancy Curlee, to this day, is friends with JFP. Stop saying that Jill drove Nancy away. That is completely false. Geez. #getFactsBeforePosting

Think it was probably more to do with interference from CBS/PGP that caused Curlee to leave. You are right in that most writers/execs have generally been fairly complementary about working with JFP. You had the quashed A-M/Gilly romance in the fall of that 1993, plus a growing insistence to emulate the ABC shows that the network would start around this time. Not to mention that Ed Trach left PGP at around the same time that Curlee left. Ken Fitts would eventually cause havoc with all three shows. 

Nancy Curlee and Jill are good. I hate the speculation. Gossip that is not true. 

I can't imagine how anyone could be friends with the horrible JFP. She did more damage to daytime than O.J. Simpson's trials.

Oh and Kman, Nancy Curlee is very easy to find on social media. And she will answer you. She didn’t leave GL because of Jill. #Truth

3 minutes ago, slick jones said:

I can't imagine how anyone could be friends with the horrible JFP. She did more damage to daytime than O.J. Simpson's trials.

Ok. Yeah, that’s intelligent. 

4/10.

Despite her online reputation re her onscreen output, JFP always seems to get compliments from actors/writers etc and it doesn't come across as insincere  - so the woman must have done something right over the years!

8 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

Despite her online reputation re her onscreen output, JFP always seems to get compliments from actors/writers etc and it doesn't come across as insincere  - so the woman must have done something right over the years!

I bet Laura Koffman might disagree. 😂 

The credits were such a mess in 1994 post-Curlee - they went through so many HW's for at least a year after that. I noticed that Patrick Mulcahey is listed as the sole HW in the episode immediately after Curlee's last. 

 

Mulcahey's Tweeted a bit about how it wasn't fun working on the show post-Curlee and the corporate interference that happened during his brief HW stint (which, in Curlee's case, drove her away forever).

Edited March 23, 20205 yr by BetterForgotten

On 3/22/2020 at 11:44 PM, VanessaReardon said:

Oh and Kman, Nancy Curlee is very easy to find on social media. And she will answer you. She didn’t leave GL because of Jill. #Truth

Ok. Yeah, that’s intelligent. 

 

Gonna just be nice and say ok. Thanks for the information. I can see why folks have issues with you 🤷‍♂️ it's not what you say, but how you say it. Again, thanks for clarifying  I clearly believed what I thought so .... oh well. It happens. She was driven away by interference. I assumed it was Jill. Show me the receipts it wasn't.

Edited March 24, 20205 yr by KMan101