54 minutes ago, Mitch said:

I agree..maybe because Simon never could express any emotion besides that pursed lip thing..I really do think they did indeed need to recast Ed when Simon left, as it would almost be a start over for the character..why did they never bring the Ed before him back?

 

Parker's acceptance was gracious and a kind of FU to JFP, talking about the people writing in for Maureen, that's a hard line to walk. I wonder why no soap ever hired her for something?

They did recast Ed not long after Simon left in 1996, with Robert Gentry (who'd played Ed in the mid-1960s). For whatever reason, it didn't last long. I wasn't watching very frequently at the time, so I couldn't tell you why. 

I suspected the focus-group claim was b.s.

 

My sense of it was that a decision was made to make do without the Maureen Bauer character, and main-cast member Ellen Parker, and write off the character. But, to also do so permanently.

I’m surprised OLTL didn’t hire Rachel 

I think JFP wanted to update the show..and shed it's past...and used the focus group as an excuse.

1 hour ago, Stitches0210 said:

I suspected the focus-group claim was b.s.

 

My sense of it was that a decision was made to make do without the Maureen Bauer character, and main-cast member Ellen Parker, and write off the character. But, to also do so permanently.

On the Locher Room today with the AW people, Alice Barrett says Frankie was killed off to make room in the budget for Robert Kelker Kelly’s return. Could the same thing have happened here? The only one I can think of is Justin Deas that they would need the money for. He came on right about the time Maureen was killed off.  Wasn’t JFP executive producer there at the time, too. Just a thought. 

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53 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

I think JFP wanted to update the show..and shed it's past...and used the focus group as an excuse.

JFP desperately wanted to move the focus of the show to the Coopers, headed by her FOJ Deas.  The show replaced the calm, comforting matriarch was a too frentic, annoying patriarch..and the ratings dropped, who woulda thought huh?

 

And yes, it was mentioned by others who seem to know that Parker was let go to make money in the budget for Deas..another reason I disliked Buzz.

 

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4 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

 

Everyone was thinking it was cute how Tina was calling Ellen 'Maureen '..etc...but I found it very concerning tbh.

 

To me, it was like Tina almost believed she was Lillian and that Ellen was Maureen.  The letter story wasn't cute, but sad...and I'm sure Ellen saying 'write the letter' was more about being annoyed than anything.

 

Just to let you know you're not alone, I thought the exact same things. 

2 hours ago, Mitch said:

JFP desperately wanted to move the focus of the show to the Coopers, headed by her FOJ Deas.  The show replaced the calm, comforting matriarch was a too frentic, annoying patriarch..and the ratings dropped, who woulda thought huh?

 

And yes, it was mentioned by others who seem to know that Parker was let go to make money in the budget for Deas..another reason I disliked Buzz.

 

 

How could anyone in their right mind want to replace the Bauers with the Coopers? 

You know, for years I had been hearing about the things that JFP did well and poorly. I agree that, over the course of a storyline and even over the course of a year's worth of storylines, there were somethings that were done very well. She also made some decisions that had really poor outcomes in the longterm, choices that just turned out to be... not that smart.  To me, there ought to be limits placed on the type of decisions that a producer can make, unless that producer writes and/or created the show. 

The fact that JFP’s current excuse is that she learned her lesson with Maureen...and then admitted the lesson she learned was not giving the actor she wants to get rid of for whatever reason good material the audience is invested in.  “The audience only cared about Maureen because of the affair and death.”  She does not get it at all.  

17 hours ago, Bill Bauer said:

 

Just to let you know you're not alone, I thought the exact same things. 

 

How could anyone in their right mind want to replace the Bauers with the Coopers? 

Good question.. I think JFP thought of the Coopers as her own..though Long created them, and only Buzz was a JFP era creation. But obviously some people loved them...why did they stick around so long? Instead of killing Jenna, why not write Buzz and her out happy, as Buzz had no "storyline" since that then. Why when budget cuts came, they did not think of making the core of the show the family headed by Ross,the longest running cast member and the patriarch of the show, who was married (sorry LK never worked as scheming Blake but as a slightly off center Mom she did) and had three kids who could be SORAS for story? I know Jill Hurst (who I actually respect as a writer) thought of them as her "comfort food," but really, the only thing they had going for them is Harley, as Frank and Buzz just were "there"

 

Past Harley and her first go around, and her relationship with Frank, I never got the Coopers.

 

Especially without Nadine.

7 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

Especially without Nadine.

Yes..wrong Cooper killed...(and really GL, could you have quit killing Moms?)

The Coopers without a Harley was an odd time to focus on the Coopers. Lucy was a poor replacement for Harley.  Frank, Harley and Nadine were a great trio (I adored Frank and Harely’s relationship especially in the late 80’s/early 90’s) but with the addition of Buzz and the loss of Harley I just didn’t care anymore. 

 

  

34 minutes ago, victoria foxton said:

 

  

I never thought of Bev as chewing up the scenery...now Marj on the other hand.