Santa Barbara Discussion Thread

[DRW50]

Marcy Walker and Nancy Grahn.

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[Faulkner]

Love the suits and suspenders. 

[MissPalmer]

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Edited January 8, 2022 by MissPalmer

[Marissa Gallant]

Elena gets killed. Cruz gets arrested. And in real life, the ENTIRE case is tossed out because absolutely no one questioned has an attorney with them.

[Marissa Gallant]

I just watched episode 801. In the beginning, Cc and Sophia are talikng. You can sort of hear the English under the Russian. Youtube had English subtitles, so I tried it. ROTFL! It tried to make words, and it did. But I'm certain that they weren't talking about Zulu Regalia.

[Lex S]

What do you think about Jane? Where you're at, Jane and Brick will be leaving town shortly so they probably don't have much screen time left. I cannot help but think that I know someone in real life who is just like Jane as far as looks and demeanor and everything but I can't put my finger on it. I know this is super random but wanted to share

[Wendy]

The actress playing Jane is/was also named Jane, Jane Sibbett, who went on to play Carol Willick #2 (as Anita Barone played her when Carol announced her pregnancy!), Ross Geller's ex-wife, on Friends!

Edited January 13, 2022 by Wendy

[Marissa Gallant]

I like Jane a LOT more once they mellowed her out. She was too grating in the beginning. And the Roxanne BS was just the "S" part of those initials. I feel like Jane and Brick came from out of the blue. One day, he's almost kissing Santana and gets arrested. Santana tells Cruz, you have to help him. Then, BAM it's all about Jane and Santana has vanished into the ether. That could have been a decent triangle. Brick torn between the two. At least for a minute let him have emotions. I know they were working a triangle with Mason, but that wasn't a successful one because no one cared about Tori. People did care about Brick. Santana had some redemption with Brick. And I don't know what they thought about Jane. 

[Marissa Gallant]

So, here are my problems with Pamela. One- Marj Dusay was CLEARLY the best option, but we weren't allowed to have her at the beginning. Two- she isn't menacing or conniving enough. She isn't even vanilla. Vanilla has more flavor. Three- instead of making Pamela the bad guy, they decided to change Sophis and make her the heavy. Four- to be effective, there should have been something likeable about her. Five- total lack of chemistry between SF and Jed. Six- Sophia already won once, why would she be insecure? Seven- it would have been so much better to have Pammie be a coniver, or full Elena pyscho that gaslights or kidnaps Sophia.

[Lex S]

I don't know why, but Pearl's accent really bothers me. It sounds like he is a New Englander trying to speak with a Midwestern accent. Is this how the actor speaks in real life? I guess I should YouTube some interviews with him.

So I just read Robert Thaler's interview again on the French Santa Barbara site. It struck me again that he was thankful for Jill Farren Phelps and her contribution to the show. I have read so many things about her over the years - both positive and negative, that she ruined so many shows she touched as well as was so instrumental in just as many shows. I suppose you can't please everyone, but what's the consensus on her here?

Edited January 17, 2022 by Lex S

[Lex S]

Ooh, just found out the Locher Room has an interview with her! I'll have to bookmark it and watch it later. It looks pretty long so I'm sure they talk about SB

Edited January 17, 2022 by Lex S

[Beach Climber]

I feel like the negativity towards JFP is with her work on every soap other than Santa Barbara. With this show, it’s mostly been positive, though she had her issues with the Dobsons and was the one behind centering the show around Cruz and Eden, which fans had mixed feelings about. 

[Marissa Gallant]

Well, the character Pearl IS a Northeasterner trying to have a Midwestern accent. Not sure what Robert Thayer really sounds like.

JFP- can't stand her. I know. I know. I know she was in charge for the entire run of 2 of the 3 Best Soap emmys. I know. But to be completely honest- those aren't my favorite years. Especially right when she took over. 88 is NOT this show at it's best. And you really don't want to hear my thoughts about what she did to Another World. I think that certain people in charge think she's dreamy, but I don't care for her stories. 

I also think the Dobsons got a bum wrap throughout their first tenure. When you read interviews, biographies, etc, the Network and Studio had their grubby hands all over this show from the beginning. (I'm looking at you, idiot suit that told Jed Allan he wasn't right for the part.) Things that weren't the Dobson's idea: Not hiring Jed Allan when he first auditioned. Killing Mary. Hiring Sally F as Pamela. These are just off the top of my head. I'm not an expert. I'm sure others can add to the list.

[Lex S]

Marissa, all good thoughts!

Also, not sure if you've seen this but here it is:

https://youtu.be/8F-8BixM4yk

[Marissa Gallant]

I'm where JFP is a producer, but not completely in charge. I already miss Lionel, and NC hasn't even quit yet. This makes me wonder if Sophia/TJ  was the original plan, or if Lionel was, and they couldn't because Coster said, Nope, I'm gone.