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I highly doubt it, but who knows. I think the entire Sasha debacle is there to cement SM and make her 'safe' after what had to be a very close call early this year. And I think if it turned out Holly was lying it would forever wreck the character even worse than this entire unpopular SL did for most non-Holly fans like myself. I think it was supposed to be a gift to the apparently-delighted Robert/Holly fanbase (what a choice) from a clear fan BTS and a HEA for Robert and Holly so Tristan can appear less per his health. If Holly turns out to be lying it all gets reset again and ruined. I think they are kind of flailing and banking on Alexa and Josh Kelly being a thing. Hopefully not at DZ's expense, but who knows with this show. They've screwed him before. I thought there was story to tell there re: Laura's fond memories of the old days with the family and feeling lingering sympathy for Heather, but it was mishandled onscreen almost from the jump.

I honestly would not have wanted to sit through a story featuring Jordan in any key role. And I don't think Laura needed to be thrown under the wheels further for Heather than she already was. I was into the turn against Sonny but I understand the cynicism about it, since it was killed in its crib (again).

I can't see Tracy ever turning on Lulu like that. She adores her. I am looking fwd to scenes with Jane and Alexa actually, almost as much as AH with Lulu's family. I just don't know what the endgame is supposed to be for Cody assuming FV is not going to try to shiv Dante long-term (which is a big if) and Sasha stays a Scorpio so he can guarantee Mattsson a job. Not that I wanted Sasha and Cody together, because I don't. I am more interested in keeping Cody in and of himself.

There's nothing to do with it other than what's been done IMO, unless Leslie says otherwise. I don't feel it's appropriate to kill off a cornerstone character like that unless the actor consents and is definitely done. I think it's unlikely based on BTS talk and recent press that LC will return, sadly. But I'll always hope for it in some capacity, even just another voiceover bit. I don't love the writing this year that has made it clear Monica is ailing and unwell a la Lila Q's final days, but I understand the reason for it. All they can do that's tactful, realistically, is wait for Leslie to either be well enough to do something or pass away. I think killing her while she is still alive and by all reports cognizant if not physically capable would be a mistake.

No one was revealed as Austin's killer.

I am all for them playing the romance spoiler angle for now with Cody while Dante grieves, but I don't need to see his friendship with Cody busted up or DZ thrown under the bus so Frank can keep an OLTL castmember relevant. I am legit into Dante and Lulu with AH and I think Dominic more than deserves the A-tier again so I hope that's where this lands in the end. That said, I'm someone who has championed JK's place on the show as Cody for most of this year and I have no problem with him being here. I am still for him and Tracy tbh, but anything that gives the poor guy a break works for me.

One of a kind. I've been taking another run at RH lately but she's always been a singular, immortal presence.

Like I keep saying: Babies are the easiest story to greenlight that doesn't frighten the hausfraus (and it kills up to a year of story), so they just keep adding more fuckin' babies or baby stories. Exhausting.

Just when I got back into RH. A legend, of course.

Frank tried to get her to hang around on recurring during the 50th anniversary year (2013) along with the rest of the recurring vets they'd brought back. (I think he tried to do the same with Stephen Nichols, who was vocal about their lame offer in vague yet specific terms a few years later.) Genie refused and dipped in the fall with very little fanfare. She refused to return again after that without a contract, and they tried to cut her to recurring twice since then. Each time she has gotten the contract.

I think Genie has just been on Frank's wrong side more than once and gotten away with getting her way because of her stature.

Just had to say that Clem Moultrie is one fine dude. What a shame if they never utilized him properly, even for those times.

It would not shock me, but I do believe that they invested in the search for Lulu (and got a top soap performer in doing so) and that either the network or FV was determined to get Jonathan back for some time. They certainly aren't using either Lucky or Laura to the fullest atm, but it's always hard these days to tell whether that's FV disinterest or just the inevitable consequences of his endless taping shuffle grind.

Sidelining Genie this year has seemed very deliberate, and I don't think it is a question of any one writing team at this point.

There's no excuse for not reuniting Lulu with her family during the Thanksgiving week, lol. I'll hold out hope that they will pull it out.

I don't want to derail the thread, but in case anyone else was curious about this it's apparently this. Maybe we can set something up for it in the Foreign section when it gets closer if it looks half-decent (I am curious about the musical elements, which remind me of Jacques Rivette's musical Up Down Fragile).

Kristian appears to be pointedly dissing elements of her last return here, which is interesting given rumors at the time:

Thanks. I don't necessarily need the earliest appearance, I'd just like to see more of the overall picture. I've only seen a couple eps of her here and there. I'll poke around.

Where is a good place to start with the Carrie Todd story, timewise?

Tika Sumpter (OLTL) along with Shemar Moore and Sofia Pernas (Y&R) are inexplicably all in Sonic the Hedgehog 3, a franchise I have no part in. Tika has been in all of them in a lead (non-hedgehog) role. and hey, good for her.

If anyone is going to finally bring up Kristina playing in her sister's face and calling that dead kid the wrong name for months, it will be Ric.

Did they not have clearance to use AMC? Seems a rather large oversight when going over her soap roles.

Are they going to suggest Cody doesn't know what Lulu looks like? Dante is his closest friend of many years, I find it hard to believe he has not seen many pictures of her (and apparently has also been at her bedside).

I think they'd have to be real stupid to shutter Pluto. I don't see that happening right away. I am very curious about this musical soap opera for Netflix lol.

Wagger sucked too.