DramatistDreamer

Looking at the score, I could not have imagined getting up for that men's final. I still haven't seen it. It just seem worth the time, tbh.

Did the writer actually watch the show? Pretty sure Caleb was the older brother. Can remember that Caleb referred to Holden as "baby brother" more than once while trying to goad Holden and put him in his 'place'.

Wow, the SoapClassics people had the rights to 12,000 episodes of As The World Turns?? Seems like P&G pulled the plug before the SoapClassics people even had a real chance! https://www.welovesoaps.net/2012/02/soapclassics-begins-streaming-as-world.html?m=1 How many episodes did they stream, how many episodes collectively on those DVD sets? Oh okay, it was for Guiding Light and all of the other soaps too. Still, they didn't even get to Another World and the others. Wonder what really happened?

OTOH, it's really nobody's business about these players romantic lives, but I hope that Monfils can now focus on tennis, now that GEMS is over.

Just saw the replay and that Jenny/Jennifer part was funny though I doubt it was intentional. Whay can I say? Osaka has been on my radar since before she arrived on the main tour. It's interesting to see how others react to her success knowing that it doesn't surprise me.

This might inject some levity into the thread today.

Remember, these are folks who dropped their soaps because they were no longer the huge 'cash cows' they once were. In order to get their episodes "streaming ready', it would require a real investment. Only if a P&G finds a partner to do all the heavy lifting in the process (kind of like the SoapClassics people but on a massive level), I don't see P&G lifting a finger.

When she departed Y&R, I definitely had hoped she would pursue roles in feature films and primetime. It's not as if I was expecting her to be the next Julianne Moore or Marisa Tomei, but you can't say there is no room for Mishael in any movies or prime-time when Shemar Moore is right there. I do wonder whether a soap would've been preferable to doing the audition process, especially since she had just had a baby at the time she returned. And it seems as though she's at least found a way to challenge herself in the role.

Oh, it was said on this board. It wasn't you, but I definitely remember that! I'm not going to try to dig up the post(s). Perhaps, check the thread pertaining to Mishael's departure from Y&R years ago. There were all kinds of opinions being expressed back then, lol.

Good for Calle. Who knows, folks may another dimension of her personality that remained hidden while on Y&R. I had hoped for some type of opportunity outside the soap genre for Mishael Morgan, hit alas. The funny thing is that some people suggested that Mishael wouldn't be cut out to makr the leap to prime-time or movies (even Ava Duvernay fare) yet, here were are witnessing Ms. Calle doing just that. Hm.

They did leave a lot of money on the table but I feel as though they left that $$$ on the table ages ago. I think the best time to have capitalized on the success of these shows would have been 35-40 years ago. I can see what you're saying about streaming but, I don't think P&G should specifically approach it as a profit-making venture, as they're likely to be disappointed (at least, in the early-going. They really need to engage people who will see this as a sort of passion-project. Focus on the preservation aspect, engage soap fans, serial Television fans, Broadcast industry people, preservationists and even Women's Studies people (because, Irna Phillips). Start there and build a bridge to other tthings. Interesting points, @will81 That just goes to show that the reasons that we constantly hear seem more like something closer to myths that have become a kind of folklore. A few of us on this board have mentioned the need for a Ken Burns-style docu-series on the history of the daytime drama (from radio to present day). Perhaps people could see the genre as being part of Broadcast history and it could get more respect. Graphic novels, comic books are just starting to get that type of attention over the last few years. The horroe genre too. Why not soaps?

I have learned from my experience working with theatre archives, including performances, the quickest way to get help establishing an archive is to connect it to a well supported organization that can open it up to students and professionals in the industry. In one of my previous jobs, I have helped theater PhD students, choreographers as well as visiting theater aficionados get access to various parts my former employer's archive which is housed at Lincoln Center. That archive has been in the process of digitization for the better part of a decade.

P&G "wiped" many of their episodes before 1978-79, which, in an unsettling way would cut down the enormous volume of their archive, but even culling and digitizing those years would be a huge project that would take a lot of manpower. The digitization process get less expensive evey year but still, that would need teams of people, by teams, I mean, hundreds and could potentially take years. Honestly, I think P&G likely has the money but I see it as requiring a sizeable commitment and I sincerely doubt that P&G has any committment to such a project. I do wish that P&G would allow a university or non-profit arts organization to come up with ways to restore their archive and make parts of it available. Some Broadway shows and even estates of dance organizations and choreographers are doing this in conjunction with places like the New York Public Library at Lincoln Center. The late Trisha Brown, a choreographer has allowed her estate to archive all her practice, rehearsal footage, going back to the early 1960s to be digitized. It really is about committment, which P&G has none. If someone could make this a project, worthy of serious study, i.e. "The History of Broadcast Television" or "Women As Pioneers In The Television Industry", maybe get famous alums behind it, like Julianne Moore, Bryan Cranston, Susan Lucci, Victoria Rowell, etc. perhaps the genre could collectively get some attention towards building something substantial.

The soap industry has forever promoted the notion that only external forces have caused the decline of the genre. Every soap/daytime drama podcast that I have listened to in the last decade has railed on about working women and the O.J. Simpson trial as the causes, but almost none have discussed the poor executive and creative choices that have resulted in ratings deterioration.

I also believe that their reasons for why the genre lost rating share were off base. They could have just gone on ahead and admitted that they didn't have the metrics available to evaluate just how many people were watching these shows overall, outside of live ratings. They blamed women for working outside the home without truly trying to figure out a way to measure how many were delayed viewing just like they fought for and found a way to measure DVR viewing, they should have done the same to agitate for the VCR. Industries can lobby and get changes within existing technology. I remember when VCRs had the A/B switch, them suddenly, it was gone and companies no longer equipped their machines with this feature. That most likely had to be an industry-led change, as the switch was a great piece of technology and there was no reason to remove it.

Unfortunately, it is highly unlikely that that show will be on network television, certainly not during the daytime, that is.

In a nutshell. Also, the last time I watched daytime soaps on air, I noticed a lot of pharmaceutical commercials and various medical related products. It felt a little depressing to contemplate as I watched but I guess they are appealing to their target audience.

Unfair but because prime-time shows are in time-slots that are considered, well, prime, in terms of viewing, they command a higher caliber ad buy. Over the past several years, I have been streaming classic daytime soaps on YT and can't help but noticed that, in the 80s, the ads tended to be more diverse and quite a few were upscale. Luxury cars, as well as household products and luxury perfumes, cosmetics and self-care products. The last time I watched a soap, I noticed that the ads seemed to feature items that were not nearly as diverse and seemed to be narrower in terms of socio-economic target. It seems like a vicious cycle in terms if money that shows the will be starved of.

Me thinks that Texans should be asking more questions of their state and local elected officials. Like why some areas are connected to the federal electrical grid, while other areas are connected to a local/regional grid? Why were there no power reserves? Why did the power companies [!@#$%^&*] down these power stations for maintenance for the summer when so many states have been getting uncharacteristically extreme weather even in winter?

Speaking of comparisons between the current and the previous administrations:

Thinking about what you wrote here, I realize that my choice of words weren't clear. You're right, it did start much earlier. I should have said, it picked up in earnest around the mid 90s because there were still soaps were you saw characters through high school into college. On ATWT, as "fast" as Lily moved in life, she and Dusty attended Oakdale University. They even had majors and internships. Andy, Paul (athough he dropped out), Lien and Duke all went to college had part time jobs. Lien was a perfect example of a teenager (ironically Ming-Na was already in her early twenties) who acted like a teenager, grappling with the aspect of an emergence into adulthood). I didn't particularly care for most of the storylines of JJ, Parker and Faith but they definitely had a childhood and a noticeable onscreen introduction into teenage life. Maybe, it was just ATWT that did this, 😂. On GH, you at least had Robin, who grew up in front of viewers and Emily Q, at least when she was played by Amber Tamblyn, struck a decent balance. GL was somewhat problematic for me, in terms of the very adult issues that enveloped their teen characters. When you make teenage mothers (Harley) and incest victims (Beth) out of your teenage characters, it follows that you are more likely to "age" them and all in their cohort, both in tone and presentation. Harley, was presented as seemingly a "Jodie Foster" type, meaning more than just precocious, i.e., even when Foster portrayed a child, she didn't really come off as a child. Flash to the very early 00s and it's hard to find teenagers, girls in particular who weren't involved in adult stories. Y&R's Glow By Jabot "kids", Britney (no longer a girl, not yet a woman, to quote Britney Spears) Hodges (whose on and off boyfriend J.T. was secretly sleeping with her married mother) once had ambitions of becoming a stripper and became involved with and pregnant for Bobby Marsino, who seemed to be about twice her age. This made the age difference between Lily and Holden look like kids' stuff! Another Lily, on Y&R, lost her virginity to an Internet predator at 15 and by early 20s, was twice married with twins. What I'm really saying (I admit to not putting it properly), is that by the late 90s, this accelerated, to the point where it became difficult to find examples of age appropriate characterizations of teen characters, especially girls. Watch an episode of B&B these days and see if you can find any of the teenagers who actually attend school onscreen-- they're more likely to be only seen during the summer when they can be foisted in the middle of a summer romantic triangle. On the recent OLTL reboot a few years ago, did attend summer school, where he began promptly sleeping with his teacher! It just seems all but totally inescapable now, like they can't write a story without it. My point, exactly! Even if the writers write a fantastic death storyline for Jennifer, it still terminated any future options for th character which might have equally great or better. Just imagine if writers had allowed James Stenbeck to kill Barbara in that bullring in Spain! No doubt, the scenes would have played out dramatically and in dazzling fashion, ad it was shot on location, internationally. But what we would have missed in the decade ahead witj Barbara, Paul, James, even Emily in the years that followed!

Surprised that no one else has already posted this one. Anyways, another day, another lawsuit.

Rigjt now, I'm listening to my CD of 'The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill' as a form of celebration of its Diamond certified status. Such a phenomenal achievement and well deserved.

This show boasts alumni who have who won Oscars, Tonys, Grammys and now the recipient of a certified Diamond status. Ordinarily, I would say "Your fave could nevah!" but ATWT is my favorite soap, so... 😂.