Soaplovers

I grew up in Chicago and Sunset Beach was at 2PM here. Guiding light moved to 9AM in the late 90s, then after outcry moved back to 2PM. However, in Chicago, ratings were higher at 9 AM then at 2PM so it moved back. ABC in Chicago was always #1...and RH aired at 11 AM central, Loving at 11:30 AM. In fact, Loving always won against Y & R in Chicago...and Days and AMC at noon would beat Y & R and B & B in the non hour.

I loved DC...but I wish Cat were on. Speaking of which, here's the time where Luann got put in her place on WWHL by former DC housewife Cat. https://www.bravotv.com/watch-what-happens-live-with-andy-cohen/season-4/episode-29/videos/after-show-with-luann-and-cat-0

I wouldn't have minded Bert having a friendly interaction with H.B. and Henry...and I could see both men being taken with her. Bert was a warm spirited woman who happened to be beautiful...but I couldn't see her returning those feelings. She was content with her life and would have welcome companions her own age...but I could see her not wanting to put herself in a position of a romantic relationship due to her issues with Bill. I loved her blunt she was...and I wish she'd live..because I would have loved to have seen how she and India would have interacted.

Jennifer, Delores, and Teresa have interesting family dynamics..so I find they don't have to cause drama so much. Margaret tries...but she needs to spruce up the personal life so she doesn't have to stir up drama. Melissa is tied to whatever Teresa does..so I'm curious why she isn't just a friend of. Jackie doesn't show her family or work life much...and her hubby is hot so maybe have him shirtless more. I think the blonde with melissa was supposed to be a possible housewife? Although this woman not only stole a married man..but it was when his wife was 8 months pregnant....too messy even for Jersey. I think next season will need a shakeup in the cast. Margaret vs Teresa is the last unexplored avenue with this current cast. Lastly, Jennifer's husband cheating on her years ago does explain why she judges Margaret on cheating. So I take back my previous statement. SLC I'm wondering if Lisa's hot mic moment plus her vs Meredith is an attempt to prove the show can carry on without Mary..and possibly Jen (once she is convicted..that is).

I remember watching Hilary on the Soap Classics DVd's...and she had such a likable tomboy quality. I asked my mom why Hilary was killed and she said 'because the show was stupid'. She and Fletcher would have probably been paired in the long run had she not been killed off.

Jennifer is just a bitch..someone needs to knock her down to size. Garcelle...hmmm...I like her, but I do think she likes to stir stuff up.

I think the only tie that Leslie/Robert had to the 'new' YR was that Robert's daughter Angela was friends with Traci.. and that Leslie helped Victor with Nikki's 'My Fair Lady' story. I do wonder if maybe Bell could have had Robert as socializing with John Abbott due to their daughter's being friendly.. while playing up on Jill/Leslie's past history. I think had Jamie Lynne Bauer not opted to quit, Bell would have kept Lorie and carried her over to the new Y& R. From watching a few episodes in the spring 1982, it seemed like Lorie/Robert were tested as a couple and maybe when she opted to leave, Bell opted to plop Leslie into that story.. when it didn't seem to make sense.

I liked the Beth/Mindy/Rick/Phillip story, plus the introduction of Alexandra & India. 1984 still had some of the elements of the traditional GL and the Bauer's were still the anchor of the show during that year. I actually think 1985 was when the show stopped being the GL of yesteryear in many ways (Reardon's were all but gone by mid 1985, while the Bauer's weren't as frontburner as they were before).

She was pushed into music in her teens when she had cultivated a following from her time on Good Tims, Different Strokes, and Fame. I wish she could summon the 19 year old of Control back...she's still within Janet. She needs to do music on terms and not let anyone dictate what she needs to do.

From watching episodes from when Patty was on, Mary had to keep Carl from butting into Patty's life while Carl had to keep Mary from butting into Paul's life. I think the fact that Todd was in the priest hood made him the favored one

I forgot she apologized. Janet shouldn't have because she was not at fault and did nothing wrong. She should have just kept it moving like Madonna did. She got bad advice from her team.

I will agree that Janet got punished worse than Madge did. Madonna did suffer a lot of damage after doing Erotica/Sex/Body of Evidence... and she had to do a major 180 and came out with 'Bedtime Stories' plus a ballad called 'I'll Remember'. Madonna had to drastically back off the sexual exploits in order to save her career. I don't recall, but did Janet Jackson try to do that after the whole Superbowl scandal?

I think part of Janet's problem was that she was always viewed as the kid sister singing and she also had a weight problem in her teens as well. If you look at her music videos from the Control and Rhythm Nation era(for the most part), she was always in blazers, in black, and usually was covered up from the neck down. Once she did the 'Love will never do without you' video where she was dressed in a more revealing way (for her.. that is). I think she decided to embrace the sexual side that she had kept repressed because she still saw herself as being overweight. Janet in 1993 was a very sensual album that was romantic, tough, and sensual. Velvet Rope saw her dipping more into the sexual side of things, but she still wrote a mean hook. I think she's been treading ground in her music for years focusing more on the beats instead of what made her so popular in the 80s/early 90s.. which were strong hooks, great beats, great lyrics, and a diverse musical soundscape. She listed to men by embracing her sexuality, yet was also punished when those same people thought she went too far (even though Justin T wasn't held under the fire when he was the one that caused the wardrobe malfunction).

I would have started the Hotel show as a 'love boat' type show at first with the guests coming as a placeholder until we got to know the main cast.. then moved more toward a soap where the staff/owners became the focus with the guests becoming more of a background element. @KhanRegarding Second Chances, CBS had debated rebuilding all the sets.. but because Connie Selleca and Megan Follows (2 of the 3 leads) were both pregnant, they knew by the time all the sets were rebuilt, they couldn't resume production so they canceled it. And the sad thing was that ratings were slowly starting to increase and the show was becoming cohesive and enjoyable when this happened. I think that was partly why it was rebooted as Hotel Malibu with the focus being on Jennifer Lopez's character and her father because the other 2 leads weren't available and perhaps CBS had given the show runners a guaranteed full season order. Just a theory.

Bellamy Young as the Alexis Colby of the 2020s.....I'm in

I wonder if perhaps Hotel should have have been more a soap than a 'love boat' type of show. Business intrigue, hook ups, and romance all amongst the employees. Connie Selleca was popular in the 80s from this show. I know she did a primetime soap in the 90s called Second Chances that was canceled due to the earth quake destroying all the sets. In fact, Michelle Phillip's played the woman sleeping with Connie Selleca's characters husband on the show.

The miniseries ended with Tyger making up with her mom, getting her ideas accepted and ending up with her love interest. So in the series, you needed to shake her world in order to see her struggle...hence the death of her new husband. From what I recall, Muffin had a bigger part in the series than she did in the mini series...while I'm not sure if the character played by Donna Mills had as big of role in the series

Wouldn't it have been in character for Victor to respect a woman that was self-made, that worked her way into success at any means possible? I do think deep down, he did respect Jill.. and there were times they would hold their own with one another. There were some episodes in late 1984/early 1985 where Nikki had tried to get into modeling.. with Victor dismissing her aspirations and eyeing Jack with distrust. It's a shame she didn't ever work at Jabot scouting out models for campaigns, etc.. since she had expressed those aspirations going back to her marriage to Greg. Ashley was an interesting case for Victor.. he respected her business sense/intelligence.. yet presented that emotional fragility that made him want to care for her. This was in play anytime Eileen played Ashley.. and wasn't as much when Brenda/Shari played Ashley (though the reason Brenda's Ashley and Victor married was due to rebound and mutual/respect/love). How did Victor view Cassandra and Leanna? He always seemed amused by Leanna.. and he wasn't happy when he found out she wrote the tell all book about him.. and she acted as a thorn on/off through the early 2000s in spurts.

Having Pattyy come back was wise...but how they bought her back was all wrong

She escaped and was never mentioned again. I'd heard back when Sally Sussman was up for the head writing job in 2005 that her outlines mentioned bringing Lisa back to finish that thread and explore how he had decided on her family. But I guess Latham's reliquary pitch won out

Alexia can be the alpha because she has different sides she's showing. She loves her kids (enabling though), has a good banter with Todd, good friend vibes with Marysol, and can be dramatic with women she doesn't like. She's well rounded. Marysol came across thirsty, as does Adriana. Had this been on Bravo..those 2 would have had Mojitos..but Peacock has different criteria it appears. Marysol should just remain a friend.

I remember when Jin Min came on during the Latham era..and he/Ashley had chemistry..yet she was written off because Latham had no idea what to do with Ashley. I remember thinking 'um, she and Jin Min could hook up,'. I could have seen an Ashley/Jin Min/Jill triangle...with lots of hostile history already in place between Jill and Ashley. When watching episodes in 1987 and 1988, while Steven and Ashley lacked passion...he held his own and they had an interesting back and forth...and that union did introduce us to Leanna Love..who I wish would pay a visit again.

Quite frankly maybe the director wasn't in the wrong. I don't know much about Ms. Colin...but Liz Hubbard seems difficult and temperamental so maybe neither of them liked this director because they were put in their place.

And also Eileen did struggle to play Ashley when she came back in 1999. She was stuck in a story and coupling that had started when Shari was still playing Ashley (marriage to Cole, and another step brother with a stolen painting). She and J Eddie Peck had no chemistry..and she was still shaking off the Kristen Dimera character. By the time, Eileen has settled back into playing Ashley...the writing declined for the character. And I think Bell had written the Ashley and Victor marriage as a closure of sorts. She and Victor were free to be together..and both realized their time had passed...plus when he admitted he still loved Nikki...Ashley knew history would keep repeating and divorced him.

I think part of the reason Ashley has struggled to work is partly due to Eileen Davidson. Not a slam at all, but she's such a strong actress that most of her attempted pairings from 1982 to 1985 didn't work because she over powered them. Only actor strong enough to act opposite her was Eric Braeden. Sadly the only way to make that work was to diminish her character. I will say I did like her marriage to Dr Steve..it wasn't passionate..but the two had a good rapport. Now when Brenda Epperson took over,she made Ashley into more of a heroine. And she had great chemistry with Don Diamont. If Bill Bell was a plot driven writer, he would have gone full blown ahead with a Traci/Ashley/Brad triangle in 1990..but he knew it was in character for Ashley to step aside if Traci expressed interest in Brad again. And I will say Ashley 1st marriage to Victor was interesting..and oddly she was written as being strong minded and not letting Victor push her around. And she filed for divorce in 1992 when he expressed feelings for Nikki again. Sadly, the Blade story could have worked had a different actor played Blade. Mari Jo vs Ashley was fun. And Shari's Ashley...well...she was too harsh. She didn't have the sarcasm of the other actresses..and was angry all the time.