Soaplovers

Hopefully Alan will be quiet and let the trio speak without him interjecting

Both of them were short lived @Soapsuds Fall 1982 for pat F Smith Early 1983 for Browne. And I think after both of them was another short term writing team before Pam Long. I'm sure P & G also drove off Long in late 1990

I think Jen's constant tantrums (which werent apparent in the 1st episodes) got focus. Producers figured people wanted to see that (they were wrong).

Lisa should have been the villainess...a meaner version of Camille Grammar. But Jen had to ruin the narrative. I don't buy the act, she pulled this same thing with her husband in one scene..but as we later saw..it was an act. I'm wondering if a lot was filmed and not shown? Almost all the women seem to have issues with Lisa that didn't end up airing I'm guessing

We don't need Jen. Based on these previews...Lisa vs Heather...and Mary reading Lisa and Jen with ease. Season 2 elements in play. And to keep it fresh..add a new friend of for season 2.

I could buy the Eve retcon...because Amanda would convince someone to cover for her..plus, she was wealthy so naturally she'd go free. I would have reunited Billy and Allison..having them ride off into the sunset at the end of season 5. I wouldn't have killed off Brooke...she had at least another season or 2 in her. She could have veered into Jake's orbit. She was broken while he seemed someone opposite of who she'd go for. Plus, Brooke and Sydney could have teamed up.

She made her debut in one of the last episodes rerun before covid shutdown. She was understated and not at all like she played on the other shows she starred in.

No need for Jen...Lisa could be a worthy villainess. And also comparing food from one culture to dog food is just plain rude and ignorant.

I remember post adam, Gloria was a background character save for chemistry testing with Jack..and than working for Dr Kinder while he was providing Erica with pills(she got dropped from that angle with Janet being placed in the story).

Do any of you think Gloria could have served a purpose on the canvas past early 1998? The fact she was a nurse allowed her a function of interacting with a large cast of characters. She had ties to most of the canvas..and I didn't get why she was written off in favor of the Camille Hawkins character (who only lasted a mere six months). Plus, with Dixie returning that year..would have been interesting to see where their friendship stood after Tad/Gloria ended.

And not only that...but he made Terri C's Katie likeable as his best friend. That took a miracle lol

Season 2 was toxic. Jody wasn't kept in check and was allowed to bully Mary. Plus, her one friend became a housewife that was a recovering alcohol..but had a tea drink that had small traces of alcohol in it. Jody was mean, vicious, and had one Jen Shah sized meltdown at the end of the season. It was so bad that no reunion was filmed and the show was canceled. Outside of Jody and ronnie (she was creepy)... there were some good parts to it. 2 out of the 3 additions were not from Canada...one was from Russia and the other was from Texas.

Stephanie is the sweet one...you need a nice one on each show.

I had no idea the Kingsley were back in 1988...wonder if the strike derailed whatever plans were for them

Nah, Amanda and Jo had interesting verbal communications. It seemed more evenly matched.

There is an episode of AMC from late 1989 where Nina asked her father to let her go...that her life was with Cliff..and he did. Power of soaps..seeing how the Palmer/Nina relationship changed and became somewhat healthier. When she visited in the 90s, they were a healthy father and daughter relationship. Didn't Erica and Mark briefly date in the late 70s until it came out they were half siblings?

Knots Landing is the gold standard of primetime soaps. Ingmar Bergman's Scenes of a Marriage inspired the creation of it.

Palmer/Nina was an example of emotional incest...something that exists more than we realize.

Was Hank boring because of the acting, writing, or all of the above?

Based on Lisa's Instagram..she does seem to love her family. She's just a type A person. Meredith is almost too logical to be on the show...but I have to admit the mask was interesting.

GL after the 1988 strike derailed Long's plans, managed to take what the scabs had done and ushered in the last golden age of GL from 1989 to 1993. Do you think ATWT had the same luck post 1988 strike? It seemed the show became darker and serious post strike..at least after the more energetic 1985 to 1987 of Marlands stint (I believe the energy element was from the previous writer Bledsoe Horgan).

I recall one or two episodes in season 5 where Allison rejoined the D&D bubble to consult on an account..and she met David Charvet's character in one scene. She sized him up and knew he was up to no good..but no follow up. The separating of characters into bubbles started in season 4 and got worse in 5 and 6. Season 7 corrected that. The show was a KL...with the apartment building being to MP what the cul de sac was to KL

Palmer and Nina was a fascinating father/daughter connection...he was the controlling heinous one..while Daisy would try to keep him at bay (out of guilt for not being in Nina's life). By 1988/9...Palmer and Nina had a healthier parent/child relationship...though didn't the show try to recreate that vibe with Melanie(lanie)?

And in a departure from her role on OLTL

Meredith is my spirit animal. Even without knowing her backstory, her disengaging is healthy especially if the other person is being psycho. When Meredith said she is slow to anger and best not to get her to that point...Jen was meek and quiet cause she knows Meredith would cut a bitch