I would like it if the Phyllis/Kelly story ended up being someone else involved and that neither one of them was the one trying to set up the other....(especially over Jack!) ...but I have no idea who or how it would work. Usually stories can be scene coming for miles but this one has me constantly going back and forth. That alone makes me like it.....then throw in CM and GT sparring and I'm there.

Patty...who else?! Of course it's Patty!

What is selling Phyllis and Kelly is Gina and Cady gave some of the best rival history I have seen. The chemistry is simply off the charts with them. I have warmed to Cady in the role it took awhile but I have

Patty...who else?! Of course it's Patty!

I hope not. I couldn't take 3 women fighting over Grandpa Jack. I am sure its Phyliss….only other person it could be is Kelly's mom trying to make Phyliss look like more of a nutcase than usual.

. There was enough going on with Hillary vs. Winters that would have made for a good "forbidden lovers" SL with her and Devon. The other shitty part for me is that they've taken all of Hillary's edge away with this story.

Yes! All the sudden a trouble-making revenge-seeking Hillary is a really just a nice person wanting to be with her true love. It's too simplistic. They never used elephant in the room from the start. They should have had Hillary go after Devon for all his money, then fall in love along the way. Hillary would have been the perfect Jill-type character, someone who was hurt,(and poor) in the past, but is going after a better and more prosperous life for herself in the future.

Yes! All the sudden a trouble-making revenge-seeking Hillary is a really just a nice person wanting to be with her true love. It's too simplistic. They never used elephant in the room from the start. They should have had Hillary go after Devon for all his money, then fall in love along the way. Hillary would have been the perfect Jill-type character, someone who was hurt,(and poor) in the past, but is going after a better and more prosperous life for herself in the future.

This would have been a good story

I hope not. I couldn't take 3 women fighting over Grandpa Jack. I am sure its Phyliss….only other person it could be is Kelly's mom trying to make Phyliss look like more of a nutcase than usual.

I'll take Kelly's mom over Phyllis having DID or something.

Yes! All the sudden a trouble-making revenge-seeking Hillary is a really just a nice person wanting to be with her true love. It's too simplistic. They never used elephant in the room from the start. They should have had Hillary go after Devon for all his money, then fall in love along the way. Hillary would have been the perfect Jill-type character, someone who was hurt,(and poor) in the past, but is going after a better and more prosperous life for herself in the future.

Agreed. That would have been a better story. However, it goes against the new Y&R trend. Everyone must be a reformed heroine. Mishael Morgan can do so much more than what they have her doing now. Same for MCE. None of these women on Y&R are ever gold diggers. No matter how poor they grew up. There is nothing wrong with loving a man just as much as you love his money.

Edited January 21, 201511 yr by ajsp35801

Monday's episode was much better. The back and forth between Adam and Chelsea was interesting and I felt a little bit for her when she talked about how she still has so many questions that she needs answered. JH is truly, miraculously, working out. Also, Billy was a little less annoying than he usually is. I guess I'll enjoy it while I can since we are at the beginning of Chuckie's reign of hell.

Was really surprised to hear Victoria talking about the history of Brash & Sassy and reviving it. Who would have thought: Business talk on the Y&R. Although, it really made me miss Heather Tom more than ever. All that stuff they were talking about would be nothing without her.

Wow, Dylan was a little funny for once. "I had a loaded coffee pot." "I love you." "You brought me out here to tell me that?" And Avery and Joe worked better than they have ever before. I thought the first flashback was so stupid and unnecessary but it made sense by the end of the episode.

It was a great way to end the episode with Phyllis putting on the wig. It seems that there is, indeed, some issue with her drugs. While some of the story is stupid, or at the very least confusing, it's also one of the best things they've got going for them.

The music continues to be impossibly, overbearingly bad.

Edited January 21, 201511 yr by YRBB

I remember there being a potentially very interesting Fusion palace coup story on AMC at the start of Pratt's run there - where the lower-rung B and C characters like NuBabe, Amanda, etc. partnered with J.R. to try and oust queen bees Kendall and Greenlee. I don't recall it amounting to much, and after that came the deluge. I like the business stuff too, but to me it all feels like the calm before the storm.

I remember there being a potentially very interesting Fusion palace coup story on AMC at the start of Pratt's run there - where the lower-rung B and C characters like NuBabe, Amanda, etc. partnered with J.R. to try and oust queen bees Kendall and Greenlee. I don't recall it amounting to much, and after that came the deluge. I like the business stuff too, but to me it all feels like the calm before the storm.

I wish I could disagree, but there is no denying this is the case. This is only his second episode. Even Chuckie could have a couple of OK weeks before going off the deep end.

Edited January 21, 201511 yr by YRBB

The "other spy" is the bug Victor had Tobias plant in the lab.

I think the other spy does turn out to be Abby and that she is trying to make it look like Stitch. This would have great consequences when it came out. Ashley would be devastated that Abby turned on her and give her something great to play. Plus, Abby has never liked Stitch so it would make sense she is trying to get him away from Victoria by making it look like he was working with Victor. Besides, who else could it be? It's not like they show a lot of people in that small lab!

.... Everyone must be a reformed heroine. Mishael Morgan can do so much more than what they have her doing now. Same for MCE. None of these women on Y&R are ever gold diggers. No matter how poor they grew up. There is nothing wrong with loving a man just as much as you love his money.

It's like nobody can be a bad girl without being mentally ill. Why not let a newbie character like Hillary or Mariah have a couple years of questionable behavior? Give us viewers someone to love to hate and to watch evolve. It's so unrealistic to have everyone on the show morally upright and struggling to be good. Back in the day Sharon slept with different guys, cheated on Nick etc. and everyone knows Nikki's made her share of entertaining mistakes. That's what makes a good character, someone people can identify with because most of us have made our share of dumb moves.

Edited January 21, 201511 yr by piperisthenewsookie

It's like nobody can be a bad girl without being mentally ill. Why not let a newbie character like Hillary or Mariah have a couple years of questionable behavior? Give us viewers someone to love to hate and to watch evolve. It's so unrealistic to have everyone on the show morally upright and struggling to be good. Back in the day Sharon slept with different guys, cheated on Nick etc. and everyone knows Nikki's made her share of entertaining mistakes. That's what makes a good character, someone people can identify with because most of us have made our share of dumb moves.

Sharon is the ultimate flawed heroine. She seems to be the model by which all these other women are molded. And SC is the only one that has been able to pull it off.

That would mean that the writers are interesting in writing for a none white character.

Edited January 22, 201511 yr by MoTheGreat

And SC is the only one that has been able to pull it off.

Mainly because Y&R constantly makes their "bad" girl characters into "heroines" when they become popular.

They go from being horrible people to being propped by the writing & having other characters act OOC to avoid doing the necessary character work.

Chloe's a perfect example.

Initially she was a temporary bad girl who became popular & instead of letting the actress earn her place on the show she was unnecessarily given legacy character ties, had the writers turning a genuine heroine (Mackenzie) into Chloe's personal punching bag & was the center of FOUR failed love triangles (Cane/Chloe/Lily, Billy/Chloe/Mackenzie, Billy/Chloe/Cane, Chance/Chloe/Billy) in TWO years (and that's without even mentioning Delia's illness).

When all that failed Eden Riegel's Heather was randomly thrust into Chloe's orbit to give Chloe's boring ass unearned sympathy from the audience instead of having Chloe learn from her mistakes like all Y&R's other classic flawed heroines & antiheroines before her.

Gosh, I figured this was an Amanda L. Beall script from the beginning of Tuesday's second scene. I wonder why.