Members Skin Posted April 28, 2012 Members Share Posted April 28, 2012 I definitely think EJ has lost several times during his Day's tenure. He constantly loses and wins against Samantha/Hernandez and that's who he has been primarily opposite against for the most part. His character also changes and progresses/degresses enough to justify as characterization in terms of integration to his better side and disintergration towards his flaws as a character. For better or worse he is interesting the world reacts to him based on how a normal person would more or less. He got beaten to death by Brady, shot in the head by Samantha, had rivalries with various of the Brady group, he continuously loses his lovers from his actions Taylor/Nicole/Sami often multiple times, Stefano keeps him in check, He is victim/villain based on a role of a die in a lot of ways and we see that in his relationships with both Nicole and Sami often, etc. There is variation to him. EJ isn't all powerful like say Victor is on Y&R, Erica was on AMC or Sonny is on GH. He loses just like others on the show do and I think that is what makes things interesting because you know things can change for him good or bad - so I can't agree that EJ is in the same position as those other characters who are more or less parodies of who they once were. James Scott is the best actor on Days, I could watch him read the phone book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marceline Posted April 28, 2012 Members Share Posted April 28, 2012 This is a huge problem and I think it's a big part of viewer attrition. If you aren't a fan of a character and you know that you will never be able to escape that character it's very easy to go from ff-ing through the entire show to recording but not watching to taking it off the DVR. Like I said, I'm a fan of Michael Easton's but I used to say years ago that if I had become HW for OLTL the first phone call I would've made would've been to him when he was on his way to work to tell him to turn around because he was about to get a three month vacation. Even when you like a character, having them on every day, saying the same thing over and over doesn't do anything for you. This is very true. It's not like there isn't room for villains on these shows but when you push characters to the extremes like gang rape, you can't bring them back from that in a few months. No matter how many kids they rescue or how much money they inherit. If you want to keep them on the canvas prepare for viewers to hate them forever and accept. I don't care how great her cooking is, Krystal Karey will always be the blowjob giving skank who helped to steal Bianca's baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members R Sinclair Posted April 28, 2012 Members Share Posted April 28, 2012 Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tune_in_tomorrow Posted April 28, 2012 Members Share Posted April 28, 2012 Agree as well. After about a 10 year absence, I tuned into Another World, which probably was the soap I would consider my favorite back in the day, during the last couple of months as it marked both its 35th anniversary and its cancellation. I really had trouble mustering any interest in it with Rachel Cory married to Carl Hutchins. Last time I had checked, he was not only a killer, but had attempted to kill her husband. I don't care how he was "redeemed," Rachel marrying him is complete nonsense and having them in the last scene was sad..and I don't mean in an emotional way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members R Sinclair Posted April 29, 2012 Members Share Posted April 29, 2012 That's how I felt when Charles Pratt, Jr. DARED to make Krystal friends with Erica. Those two aren't even "frenemies" -- they're foes, plain and simple. Krystal committed the ultimate betrayal -- messing with Erica's child and grandchild. Of all the pointless feuds Erica's had with Brooke and others over men she'd already thrown away, Erica should NEVER had gotten even remotely close to Krystal during 2009, much less go on television and refer to her as her "friend." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dc11786 Posted April 29, 2012 Members Share Posted April 29, 2012 I remember John Conboy stating in an interview he brought back Bradley Cole because the 'fans' wanted him back based on the mail he received at the studio. Unfortunately, Conboy had been out of the soap game for too long and was unaware how 'determined,' to be kind, some fanbases could be. I guess they weren't as bad as the Manny fans who made the Cassie voodoo doll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members VirginiaHamilton Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 The only thing they care about is putting out entertainment and they've been doing just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ~bl~ Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 Some Brad Cole fans contacted the American Heart Association due to how Richard died and nearly convinced them to pull the PSA at the end of GL about the importance of organ donation. Some other viewers heard what they were doing and battled back about it...I think this is worse than one fan with a voodoo doll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khan Posted May 1, 2012 Members Share Posted May 1, 2012 Between that story and the voodoo doll, though, GUIDING LIGHT's more rabid fans put every other soap's to shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dc11786 Posted May 2, 2012 Members Share Posted May 2, 2012 I didn't know about / remember the American Heart Association incident. My main point was I don't think Conboy understood the way small, vocal fanbases had learned to operate in order to get what they wanted, and, as a result, he believed the mail he received represented a large part of the viewing audience. I don't think most of the 'Guiding Light' fan base was dying to have Bradley Cole back. My issue with the voodoo doll was the genuine glee and sickening delight that some people got from it. When the pictures were online, some people took great joy from it and were blurring the line between Cassie / Laura Wright. I found this rather disturbing. Both the extremist Manny fans and the extremist Rassie fans did incredible damage to 'Guiding Light.' With that said, I think it was a mistake to write out Danny and Michelle and that Cassie should have left town with Laura Wright or a few months later to resolve the rest of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted May 2, 2012 Members Share Posted May 2, 2012 If the many attempts at making Ford a hero in OLTL's last year were supposed to be entertainment, something went horribly wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MichaelGL Posted May 2, 2012 Members Share Posted May 2, 2012 So I just got around to watching the 1993 episode of Ed and Maureen's confrontation. It didn't really seem like that boring of an episode, ho-hum sure, but I liked the confrontations displayed in the episode such as Henry/Jenna, Nick/Roger, and most importantly Maureen/Ed. This may seem hugely unpopular, but just going on what I saw of this Mindy in the episode, she didn't seem all that bad. Sure she didn't have the to die for looks or the "spark" Tesreau or Simms had, to be honest she seemed quite matronly, however from what I could see she was quite capable, or for a better word sufficient for the role of Mindy. Perhaps she would have been a good fit for the role of Mindy if it was a temporary recast, someone to fill in until KT or KS returned after a short break. Having watched numerous scenes of Barbara Crampton in the role (and maybe it was both the writing and Crampton's take on the role), but compared to what was to come, the actress that played Mindy in the 1993 wasn't so bad IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DynamiteKiddo Posted May 2, 2012 Members Share Posted May 2, 2012 This is my first post here, just wanted to say hello to everyone! RC is really confusing here. I remember early in his HW stint he gave an interview to SOD and explained that John & Natalie having sex in Dec. '07 (Marty had just 'died' and Natalie had just found out that Jared was her 'uncle') was not an indication that they'd be getting back together. He commented that he thought they didn't fit together well and the sex was just their twisted way of coping with their recent traumas. And THEN we all know what happened, LOL. I still blame Frons (despite seeing RC completely Frons-less now), but RC threw a lot of folks under the bus for them, including his own character, Brody, who he seemingly was very invested in. That was another thing he did--he wrote out several of his own characters without even trying to retool them, even the ones he moved heaven earth for to inextricably weave into the canvas (Jared and Charlie). So I don't think he simply writes for himself, because he made all kinds of moves on OLTL that felt counter to his purpose. I did think his OLTL was, in total, a real success, though. His GH has been . . . I don't even know what to really say. It's been disappointing, let's leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members VirginiaHamilton Posted May 2, 2012 Members Share Posted May 2, 2012 What was entertainment was that chandelier taking him out once and for all. If only LW did leave and return again to send her character off properly instead of that dreadful recast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members miche Posted May 3, 2012 Members Share Posted May 3, 2012 Jared was Natalie uncles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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