From my recollection (and someone can fill in the details), Paul knows that his father is still alive and he as met him since then. I don't remember whether Mary was ever made aware of this, but instinct says no, that she was never told the truth.

2 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

From my recollection (and someone can fill in the details), Paul knows that his father is still alive and he as met him since then. I don't remember whether Mary was ever made aware of this, but instinct says no, that she was never told the truth.

 

Paul witnessed Mary seeing "Jim" for the first time and fainting. When Mary came to, Carl told her about his amnesia and Ruthie. Mary was convinced that despite his love for Ruthie, her love could bring back the past, and she and Carl would be happy together again, so told Charlie the wedding was off. But try as she might, Mary could never bring back Carl's memory of them, and he later returned to Norfolk and Ruthie, and no doubt were married as planned. Charlie apparently never forgave Mary, and she was again left with her only pastime-meddling in Paul's life.

Oh, okay.

1 hour ago, asafi said:

 

Paul witnessed Mary seeing "Jim" for the first time and fainting. When Mary came to, Carl told her about his amnesia and Ruthie. Mary was convinced that despite his love for Ruthie, her love could bring back the past, and she and Carl would be happy together again, so told Charlie the wedding was off. But try as she might, Mary could never bring back Carl's memory of them, and he later returned to Norfolk and Ruthie, and no doubt were married as planned. Charlie apparently never forgave Mary, and she was again left with her only pastime-meddling in Paul's life.

 

Looks like you answered your own question.

On 11/25/2015 at 10:05 AM, Y&R21395 said:

Here's Dru's last episodes. Plus all else I have of April '07.

 

(2007-04-02)

(2007-04-03)

(2007-04-04)

(2007-04-05)

(2007-04-06)

(2007-04-09)

(2007-04-10)

(2007-04-11)

(2007-04-12)

(2007-04-13)

 

Not a problem at all  I don't have much from 2006, but I am planning on purchasing those episodes on iOffer hopefully in the near future. So far I have the first half of January, three episodes from April, Nov 10th, and Dec 26-29.

Can I have playlist links for Y&R 2006 and 2007 episodes? 

Don't think I've seen those Paul and Christine scenes since they aired. Boy, did Paul come off as violent and coarse in those scenes!

April 1997 with a week full of the eps  is up in the Vault, boy with the 4/11/97 it certainly is attack of recasts with Sarah Aldrich, Sandra Nelson, and Sherri Shattuck all being heavily featured in the episode. Of the three Nelson is by far and beyond the best of course; Sarah Aldrich is dreadful in her scenes with Ryan, while Ashley is the stuck in the depths of hell with a triangle between her, Kurt, and Hope developing. 
 

Hopefully the rest of the week gets better lol.

19 hours ago, asafi said:

So what was this whole story of Carl Williams? in 1998 we learned he supposedly disappeared 8 years ago but nothing was mentioned about this in real time? 

 

Carl disappeared and had been gone eight years before Paul and Christine convinced Mary to have him declared legally dead. Then Mary finally accepted the attentions of Charlie Ockell. They were getting along well, and Charlie asked her to marry him. Paul's current girlfriend Christine happened to be helped by a man working as a security guard at the Norfolk airport, and later when Paul showed her a photo of his missing father, she realized that the security guard was Carl. Without telling Paul, she returned to Norfolk and found that he was going by the name of Jim Bradley. 

Had there been internet back then, that story would have caused a ruckus.

Totally invented plot that did not play out onscreen.

Up till that point Carl had gone from regular to occasional presence, mentioned then not spoken about, but never stated to be missing.

9 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

Had there been internet back then, that story would have caused a ruckus.

Totally invented plot that did not play out onscreen.

Up till that point Carl had gone from regular to occasional presence, mentioned then not spoken about, but never stated to be missing.

The funny thing was it did create up a bit of a stir on the Internet at the time from what I remember amongst older fans, even so far as to creating a Mandela effect for some older viewers as a few were quite sure that they *did* remember the Carl disappearance storyline.  With Y&R not being one to do retcons at that point or definitely felt out of place, and the story wasn’t that great. I’ll always remember Leslie Bevis for her hilarious Star Trek parody character in the movie Spaceballs more than anything else.

I didn't realize that it wasn't until 75 the Janice/Leslie burst into song but this news item verifies it.

 

As the Tube Turns: Janice Lynde will be unveiling her vocal talents on the Feb. 24 installment of CBS's "The Young and Restless" singing a love song during a scene in which she marries her fiance, Brad (as played by Tom Hallick). Janice, best known to viewers of the show as the prudish Leslie Brooks, has been working for months with voice coach composer Phil Moore in preparation for her big day .

Wow, Paul is a terrible man, forcing himself on Christine like that.

I don't believe it. Why would he do something like this?

He always seems very kind in the 80s episodes I have watched.

10 hours ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Don't think I've seen those Paul and Christine scenes since they aired. Boy, did Paul come off as violent and coarse in those scenes!

 

I rewatched the scenes just now. Back when they first aired, I remember, angrily, thinking how this felt less like character development for Paul and more like a shock-and-awe SL for Y&R, i.e.: Emmy bait. I was also watching GH at the time which was a Guza-penned celebration of angry mobsters and the doormats who love them. I did wonder if all the soaps -- certainly the ABC soaps, but also maybe some of the CBS soaps -- wanted to jump on the GH bandwagon and portray their male characters as tough guys who 'take matters into their own hands' on the regular. As a result, I hated Y&R's SL twist and I wasn't the only one. The outcry was such that Y&R had to swerve, and the show sort of pretended it didn't happen for a long time. I'm not sure but I feel like Paul and Christine went on the backburner/recurring from here on in.

 

Now when I rewatch it? It is still coarse and violent and shocking in every way. However, I feel like it attempts to tackle the issue of 'grey-area rape.' IMO rape is rape, but how many instances do we hear or know about rape occurring in the home, the issue of consent being blurred, the idea that women might question whether it is 'really rape' if it is that nice guy you love? This debate is still being had, and I remember the debate raging on Y&R's official site which published viewers' e-mailed reactions to the show.

 

So yeah... I still find it uncomfortable and the genesis of the story a little suspect, but I also appreciate what Y&R might have been trying to trigger as a conversation. And I give kudos to LLB for playing this unambiguously.

On 3/15/2021 at 8:52 PM, DramatistDreamer said:

 

 

Crazy to look at that 92 episode and see Nicholas and consider where he's be in less than two years.

To see the Chancellor mansion so full of people! I'd forgotten that Dru lived at the Abbott's. Was that because of Mamie?

So many future relationships between the younger generation that the show never made good on. Kate and Nate should've had some type of friendship. Kate and Lil' Phillip/Chance should have been in and out of each other's lives. But then we got "Chloe" and everything went out the window.

 

 

It's really funny when Nina jokes about Phillip calling Katie for a date, cause he actually did end up dating Chloe and Nina hated that. Meanwhile Abby won't be born for almost another 10 years but now they're all kind of the same age!

3 hours ago, blueberrywaffle said:

Wow, Paul is a terrible man, forcing himself on Christine like that.

I don't believe it. Why would he do something like this?

He always seems very kind in the 80s episodes I have watched.

 

It's like the JT becoming an abuser storyline. Does a new writer have the right to have a character do something evil that is totally out of character for them after the character has been established for many years? At least they gave JT a tumor as an excuse. I can't help but still like the Paul from the 80s and 90s. 

26 minutes ago, Cat said:

 

I rewatched the scenes just now. Back when they first aired, I remember, angrily, thinking how this felt less like character development for Paul and more like a shock-and-awe SL for Y&R, i.e.: Emmy bait. I was also watching GH at the time which was a Guza-penned celebration of angry mobsters and the doormats who love them. I did wonder if all the soaps -- certainly the ABC soaps, but also maybe some of the CBS soaps -- wanted to jump on the GH bandwagon and portray their male characters as tough guys who 'take matters into their own hands' on the regular. As a result, I hated Y&R's SL twist and I wasn't the only one. The outcry was such that Y&R had to swerve, and the show sort of pretended it didn't happen for a long time. I'm not sure but I feel like Paul and Christine went on the backburner/recurring from here on in.

 

 

I was thinking it felt like an ABC show too. What I had forgotten is that he's mad at her for dating Michael - another man who tried to rape her (and came really close, like he was literally on top of her and PAUL was the one who saved her). So she is being raped by a man who is upset she wants to be with a scumbag who tried to rape her... that was another horrible story. Christine forgiving Michael was one thing but having her go into practice with him was a huge stretch, and then I thought they'd never go there with them having a romantic relationship.

6 minutes ago, BoldRestless said:

 

I was thinking it felt like an ABC show too. What I had forgotten is that he's mad at her for dating Michael - another man who tried to rape her (and came really close, like he was literally on top of her and PAUL was the one who saved her). So she is being raped by a man who is upset she wants to be with a scumbag who tried to rape her... that was another horrible story. Christine forgiving Michael was one thing but having her go into practice with him was a huge stretch, and then I thought they'd never go there with them having a romantic relationship.

 

I think the show flirted with a possible Christine & Michael pairing because CLB became a breakout fan fave (I admit, I was a fan too, I thought CLB and his character did great during those later Bell years) and because CLB and LLB had natural chemistry together. But I also agree with you that a romantic relationship was a couple bridges too far. We can talk eventual redemption of a character, or even Christine accepting that Michael might be repentant for hiding in her walls with the intent to rape and kill her. (A big ask). Joining his practice was a wrong move, but I also recognise that soap mores back then were very different, and rape was often used and twisted for story in a way that would not fly today.

14 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

April 1997 with a week full of the eps  is up in the Vault, boy with the 4/11/97 it certainly is attack of recasts with Sarah Aldrich, Sandra Nelson, and Sherri Shattuck all being heavily featured in the episode. Of the three Nelson is by far and beyond the best of course; Sarah Aldrich is dreadful in her scenes with Ryan, while Ashley is the stuck in the depths of hell with a triangle between her, Kurt, and Hope developing. 
 

Hopefully the rest of the week gets better lol.

You forgot Jennifer Gareis in your recast list.

 

The rest of the spring doesn't get better LOL. First half of 1997 was a lull and Y&R almost lost #1 to Reilly's Days in late June. Things pick up during the second half of 1997 with Malcolm and Olivia wedding, a drunk Nick unknowingly sleeps with Grace, Daniel's paternity reveal leading to Danny and Phyllis divorce and custody battle, Victor and Diane wedding, arrival of Veronica, Heather Tom returns as Victoria and Victoria catches Cole with Ashley, Phyllis and Michael become friends with benefits. I think that covers the main storylines.

10 minutes ago, kalbir said:

You forgot Jennifer Gareis in your recast list.

 

 

 

She's like Sharon, Nikki, or Daniel.... my mind always sees them as the original actor!