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2 hours ago, Vizion said:

From Nikki:

 

I added the following Y&R episodes to the vault. Hopefully they aren't duplicates of what's already in there but it's hard to tell because I'm an idiot and didn't label anything.

 

Here is what was added:

1984 episode (in folder labeled "unsure of dates")

1988 episode (in folder labeled "unsure of dates")

4 1994 episodes (in folder labeled "unsure of dates")

2 1992 episodes (in folder labeled "unsure of dates")

 

 

Thanks for the uploads very appreciated

 

The 1984 upload is a mix of mostly Jill/Kay scenes starting from Christmas 1984 (has Newmans and Williams too), The Winter Cabin Memories from Jan 1985 where Kay almost shows John and Jill pictures but Jill barfs on the rug, Brent telling Ashley he is her father, Dina shooting Kay (she was trying to shoot Brent), Jill visiting Kay in hospital to call her bluff about the shooting and the Memorial Day episode 1985 all up 49min. 

 

The 1988 episode is September 27, 1988, which we have

 

The 1992 episodes are Jun 7 & Jun 8, 1994 and have been uploaded before

 

The first 1994 ep (Unsure 1994) March 31, 1994 and it is new.

 

Next 1994 episode (Unsure-1) is most likely August 02, 1994 The fourth 1994 upload (Unsure-3) follows on, so while I haven't confirmed since scenes were repeated this would more than likely be August 03, 1994

 

Third random 1994 ep (unsure-2) is Aug 24, 1994 

 

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3 hours ago, will81 said:

Thanks for the uploads very appreciated

 

The 1984 upload is a mix of mostly Jill/Kay scenes starting from Christmas 1984 (has Newmans and Williams too), The Winter Cabin Memories from Jan 1985 where Kay almost shows John and Jill pictures but Jill barfs on the rug, Brent telling Ashley he is her father, Dina shooting Kay (she was trying to shoot Brent), Jill visiting Kay in hospital to call her bluff about the shooting and the Memorial Day episode 1985 all up 49min. 

 

The 1988 episode is September 27, 1988, which we have

 

The 1992 episodes are Jun 7 & Jun 8, 1994 and have been uploaded before

 

The first 1994 ep (Unsure 1994) March 31, 1994 and it is new.

 

Next 1994 episode (Unsure-1) is most likely August 02, 1994 The fourth 1994 upload (Unsure-3) follows on, so while I haven't confirmed since scenes were repeated this would more than likely be August 03, 1994

 

Third random 1994 ep (unsure-2) is Aug 24, 1994 

 

Haha I was just gonna say the first 1994 date is March 31!  

 

if the one after August 2, has the first Nick and Matt fight it’s indeed 8/3/94!

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such a treat to get more 1994 dates!

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I've renamed them in the vault. Unsure-1 definitely 8/2/94 based on the recap for that day. 

 

Unsure-2 is 8/24/94 (recap/commercials).

 

Unsure-3 is 8/3/94.  This is a major episode! The Dru/Malcolm cold medicine scene and the Matt/Nick fight! Imagine, multiple major storylines and iconic scenes happening in the SAME episode. Imagine actually having storylines at all. Haha. 

 

The final scene with Dru goes right into a commercial for Sudafed which cracks me up.

 

Thanks so much Nikki if you're reading this!

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8 minutes ago, BoldRestless said:

I've renamed them in the vault. Unsure-1 definitely 8/2/94 based on the recap for that day. 

 

Unsure-2 is 8/24/94 (recap/commercials).

 

Unsure-3 is 8/3/94.  This is a major episode! The Dru/Malcolm cold medicine scene and the Matt/Nick fight! Imagine, multiple major storylines and iconic scenes happening in the SAME episode. Imagine actually having storylines at all. Haha. 

 

The final scene with Dru goes right into a commercial for Sudafed which cracks me up.

 

Thanks so much Nikki if you're reading this!

That’s right! We do get the infamous cold medicine scene on 8/3/94! What the hell was Malcolm thinking coming on to Dru anyways when she was sick?!? 

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4 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

That’s right! We do get the infamous cold medicine scene on 8/3/94! What the hell was Malcolm thinking coming on to Dru anyways when she was sick?!? 

I had to take a peek at this infamous scene... and yep, it was perfectly clear to Malcolm that Dru was not in her right mind and that she did not realize  it was Malcolm sitting on the bed

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3 hours ago, yrfan1983 said:

I had to take a peek at this infamous scene... and yep, it was perfectly clear to Malcolm that Dru was not in her right mind and that she did not realize  it was Malcolm sitting on the bed

So bizarre

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  and the fact that they decided to basically ignore the plot all together with Dru later "forgiving" Malcolm, without further mention of what happen,  and only years later decided to revisit the story by retconning Lily's paternity. 

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18 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

So bizarre

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  and the fact that they decided to basically ignore the plot all together with Dru later "forgiving" Malcolm, without further mention of what happen,  and only years later decided to revisit the story by retconning Lily's paternity. 

This along with a few other stories is why I draw a line at May 94 for the golden age. Not sure what happened, but more and more I just wasn't liking the story direction on the show, but still like it through to about 01/02. I still collect episodes from 94 - 02 but don't even bother with what I called previously the bronze age, even though I watched sporadically through to about 2006

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19 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

So bizarre

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  and the fact that they decided to basically ignore the plot all together with Dru later "forgiving" Malcolm, without further mention of what happen,  and only years later decided to revisit the story by retconning Lily's paternity. 

The show at the time made it seem like Dru and Malcolm had some hot one-night-stand. Instead of what it was. Did Neil ever find out his brother took advantage of his wife while she was on cough medicine? 

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19 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

So bizarre

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  and the fact that they decided to basically ignore the plot all together with Dru later "forgiving" Malcolm, without further mention of what happen,  and only years later decided to revisit the story by retconning Lily's paternity. 

Bill Bell gave an interview around 1996 where he regretted having wrote the story where Malcolm took advantage of Dru. 

 

52 minutes ago, will81 said:

This along with a few other stories is why I draw a line at May 94 for the golden age. Not sure what happened, but more and more I just wasn't liking the story direction on the show, but still like it through to about 01/02. 

Well, the frat party started in June 1994.

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2 minutes ago, kalbir said:

Bill Bell gave an interview around 1996 where he regretted having wrote the story where Malcolm took advantage of Dru. 

 

I remember hearing that. I think Shemar's growing popularity, played a factor as to why Bill Bell just dropped any mention of the "rape" whatsoever....It's just a shame Nathan went under the bus to make Malcolm popular. 

16 minutes ago, Forever8 said:

The show at the time made it seem like Dru and Malcolm had some hot one-night-stand. Instead of what it was. Did Neil ever find out his brother took advantage of his wife while she was on cough medicine? 

I forget if Neil even realized Lily isn't his daughter? LOL 

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2 hours ago, will81 said:

This along with a few other stories is why I draw a line at May 94 for the golden age

I draw the line specifically the week of June 20, 1994 - golden age legacy characters April and Heather depart, and JM’s Nick (blech) debuts

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2 hours ago, yrfan1983 said:

I draw the line specifically the week of June 20, 1994 - golden age legacy characters April and Heather depart, and JM’s Nick (blech) debuts

That's a solid place actually. Summer Solstice, haha. I agree with that

 

4 hours ago, kalbir said:

Well, the frat party started in June 1994.

I was thinking about it. Wouldn't it have been better if Mai was older and replaced Amy in the Sharon/Nick/Matt story and linked Luan (who I think should have been with John) into the Newman story and thus Jack and Keemo as well. Keemo already hates his half brother Jack because Luan (instead of Mamie) tells everyone she and John were lovers after his stroke and no one believes her, and now Mai has a nervous breakdown and goes missing. Pulling them all in to the one story while also giving them their own stuff to deal with. Adding more tension to the Jack/Keemo/Mari-Jo story which should have been the triangle that was a main focus

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4 hours ago, yrfan1983 said:

I draw the line specifically the week of June 20, 1994 - golden age legacy characters April and Heather depart, and JM’s Nick (blech) debuts

Wow, you remember the week that the frat party started 

 

2 hours ago, will81 said:

I was thinking about it. Wouldn't it have been better if Mai was older and replaced Amy in the Sharon/Nick/Matt story and linked Luan (who I think should have been with John) into the Newman story and thus Jack and Keemo as well. Keemo already hates his half brother Jack because Luan (instead of Mamie) tells everyone she and John were lovers after his stroke and no one believes her, and now Mai has a nervous breakdown and goes missing. Pulling them all in to the one story while also giving them their own stuff to deal with. Adding more tension to the Jack/Keemo/Mari-Jo story which should have been the triangle that was a main focus

So instead of the Vietnam rewrite, you would have had Keemo be John's son? Keemo's birth year was established as 1972 and Dina abandoned the family in 1971 so the timeline works. John in his devastation over Dina's abandonment turns to Luan, resulting in Keemo.

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14 minutes ago, kalbir said:

So instead of the Vietnam rewrite, you would have had Keemo be John's son? Keemo's birth year was established as 1972 and Dina abandoned the family in 1971 so the timeline works. John in his devastation over Dina's abandonment turns to Luan, resulting in Keemo.

I never liked Jack as being in Vietnam, just doesn't gel with his character. I could see John enlisted, would explain why Dina left town. Being with a military man might have been too much for her. Though getting rid of the back story entirely and having Luan get pregnant by John and sent away by her family out of shame as she got pregnant out of wedlock would have worked better. Maybe the migrated from Vietnam early. I know most people fled closer to 1975 and later

 

Yeah I think Keemo and Jack as siblings would have worked better, while Luan and John and Jill would have been far better. Keeping Mamie from being humiliated and sent packing. She could have still seen her role in the house diminished allowing Dru and Liv to set her up with various men to help her move on, those dates could be disasterous, until she finally found her rich man who whisked her away (if they really needed to send her off). Luan would have had to be more firey and a match for Jill though. Mai is older and with the frat pack and Keemo and Jack are fighting it out over Mari-Jo, who is pitting them against each other for her own amusement. I do think Jack did better with women who were trouble.

 

I think also having Luan's restaurant take off and attract some shady business men would have been a great story for her and John. Especially if they kidnapped her just as she and John were to be married, maybe even on the day of. And you could have still thrown Dina in as a roadbloack at some point too. Or maybe Mai and Luan could have played out Mildred Pierce, haha. Might have been good too.

 

I think also moving Jill on from the Abbotts and ending the divorce and custody battle sooner would have helped her immensely. She could still be at odds with Victor over other things, thus setting up his shooting and her taking the fall. But she is with John Silva during this time a sort of redux of Michael Crawford and this gives John custody of Billy and eventually he and Luan move to New York. Thus allowing her return in 1999. 

 

There was a wealth of opportunity for them to be honest.

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