2 hours ago, DRW50 said:

 

I don't think Barbara was in a position as a character by the time of that pairing for the relationship to be beneath her. I thought it was a fun, harmless story that allowed Barbara to be written as a somewhat multi-layered character for the first time in 10-15 years. 

 

The early story was all that silliness about psychic flashbacks, which might have been fun to play, I don't know. So much of the rest of the pairing seems to amount to Barbara being a victim. 

I think she like it as James/Babs/Gunnar were part of about 8 characters the Dobsons wrote for and those people got a LOT of airtime...(this included John/Dee/Tom/Margo/Betsy/Steve..) so she liked it. She was THE heroine of the show at that time.

 

I didn't mind Henry and Babs except I just wish they would have admitted he was gay...on the eve of their wedding they could have had a talk and either Babs would let him go and be his bestie and still have fun, or they could have gone ahead and gotten married...("Okay, you go with your guys and Ill go with mine but we keep it discreet: ) now wouldnt that have blown Bob and Kim's minds!!!

 

 

17 hours ago, antmunoz said:

Kim was REAL and a total joy. No ego. No diva behavior. Invited me and my friends to tour the set when we visited NYC.   I absolute

Hey, I love Kimmer but we all know she has an ego and she knows how to play to the fans. Nothing wrong with that..its cutthroat out there...I can seem Kimmer right up there with the golden age movies starts playing the game..Joan Crawford would meet her match!! : )

18 minutes ago, Mitch said:

I think she like it as James/Babs/Gunnar were part of about 8 characters the Dobsons wrote for and those people got a LOT of airtime...(this included John/Dee/Tom/Margo/Betsy/Steve..) so she liked it. She was THE heroine of the show at that time.

 

I didn't mind Henry and Babs except I just wish they would have admitted he was gay...on the eve of their wedding they could have had a talk and either Babs would let him go and be his bestie and still have fun, or they could have gone ahead and gotten married...("Okay, you go with your guys and Ill go with mine but we keep it discreet: ) now wouldnt that have blown Bob and Kim's minds!!!

 

I wouldn't have minded that either. I did like Henry and Barbara but he'll never be her big true love for me (that was Hal). I was mostly just glad she had something to do beyond the turgid stuff with Sheffer. Barbara and Lucinda were probably the main two reasons I watched the last year of the show - I'd tuned out in the early '00s and only came back when I heard it was being canceled. If I'd had to sit through Liberty, Janet, Paul, etc. I would have gone through a window. 

I wouldn't blame Zenk for downplaying the Barbara/Gunnar pairing in her later years----given her longevity on the show, it was a small part of her story arc. I was surprised when I realized HN was only on the show like 2 years. And could you blame her for getting tired of playing the Perils of Barbara stores of that time? I couldn't.

 

I'd heard those "difficult" rumors for years. Mainly in relation to Jackie Schultz and HBS. But also with Benjy. Not everyone gets along. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, P.J. said:

I wouldn't blame Zenk for downplaying the Barbara/Gunnar pairing in her later years----given her longevity on the show, it was a small part of her story arc. I was surprised when I realized HN was only on the show like 2 years. And could you blame her for getting tired of playing the Perils of Barbara stores of that time? I couldn't.

 

I'd heard those "difficult" rumors for years. Mainly in relation to Jackie Schultz and HBS. But also with Benjy. Not everyone gets along. 

 

It's exhausting to watch, let alone play. I think Colleen just had pushback against passive or victim Barbara. She loved Marland but she even complained about the writing for her in the Gavin storyline.

Hans...lol...ATWT was in transition after Marland's passing..

 

11 minutes ago, P.J. said:

I wouldn't blame Zenk for downplaying the Barbara/Gunnar pairing in her later years----given her longevity on the show, it was a small part of her story arc. I was surprised when I realized HN was only on the show like 2 years. And could you blame her for getting tired of playing the Perils of Barbara stores of that time? I couldn't.

 

I'd heard those "difficult" rumors for years. Mainly in relation to Jackie Schultz and HBS. But also with Benjy. Not everyone gets along. 

 

 

Gawd..she didn't get along with Benjamin either? Lawd......

2 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

Hans...lol...ATWT was in transition after Marland's passing..

 

Gawd..she didn't get along with Benjamin either? Lawd......

There's a lot of Bar Bar in Colleen. 

Awww..Terry Lester and Scott Bryce 

 

 

29 minutes ago, Mitch said:

18 hours ago, antmunoz said:

C.   I absolute

Hey, I love Kimmer but we all know she has an ego and she knows how to play to the fans. Nothing wrong with that..its cutthroat out there.

She didn’t in 1986. I can only speak of my in-person interactions with her. She was extremely gracious when we toured the studio the next year. Maybe she was playing to the fans, but I just saw a really friendly person. 

Didn't CZP say at one point that she and BH didn't get along because he refused to memorise scripts? He would just come in and wing it?She also talked about his mental health difficulties so I can imagine it was not easy to work with someone in that situation. I don't know any of these people personally so I have no idea what they are like in real life, but I try to give people the benefit of the doubt since we never know what's happening in their personal lives. 

I guess it goes back to what Michael Park said in the first reunion chat - it costs nothing to be nice/polite. If you aren’t, people will remember and that reputation will follow you around (especially in the entertainment business and especially if you’re a woman).

Woah I always thought the GL behind-the-scenes had to be the most explosive ones of the two shows...

Edited April 11, 20205 yr by Aback

14 minutes ago, chrisml said:

Didn't CZP say at one point that she and BH didn't get along because he refused to memorise scripts? He would just come in and wing it?She also talked about his mental health difficulties so I can imagine it was not easy to work with someone in that situation. I don't know any of these people personally so I have no idea what they are like in real life, but I try to give people the benefit of the doubt since we never know what's happening in their personal lives. 

 

If memory serves me correctly, she also seemed to imply that he had been drinking at times too.

 

If CZ tired of playing the victim, well nobody victimized her like James Stenbeck, I'm surprised she never mentioned that. Despite AH's obvious talents, after the late 80s, there was no real reason for Stenbeck to keep returning, and the stories bringing him back became more and more pointless.  I guess CZ just enjoyed playing off of AH more than HN because there was no way the last two returns of James Stenbeck were anything to fawn over.

I've seen pictures of her at some event with HN and she seemed thrilled to see him, so I'm guessing the critcisms weren't personal, BH otoh, seems quite a different story.

5 minutes ago, Aback said:

Woah I always thought the GL behind-the-scenes had to be the most explosive ones of the two shows...

 

To me, it still seems as if over its very long history, ATWT seemed to have relatively little friction between the actors.  It seemed to be a handful of people and everybody else just seemed to do their job and go home.

15 minutes ago, Aback said:

Woah I always thought the GL behind-the-scenes had to be the most explosive ones of the two shows...

 

11 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

To me, it still seems as if over its very long history, ATWT seemed to have relatively little friction between the actors.  It seemed to be a handful of people and everybody else just seemed to do their job and go home.

 

There was some tension but it usually centered around a select few, Colleen being one of them stretching all the way back to back her notorious feud with Jacqueline Schultz which ran off a young Ariane Muenker/Ariana Chase from the show. 

 

The only other big behind the scenes scandal I can think of for ATWT during its later years was Eileen Fulton's feud with TPTB and of course a very married Austin Peck and a very married Terri Colombino involved in a very torrid affair that got Peck fired. 

6 hours ago, Khan said:

I've always said that turning Barbara into a villain and a loon after she was disfigured in that fire was a mistake.  If anything, they would have been better off having her die in that fire (which was Hogan Sheffer's actual, original plan, if I'm not mistaken).

 

Nope.

27 minutes ago, soapfan770 said:

There was some tension but it usually centered around a select few, Colleen being one of them stretching all the way back to back her notorious feud with Jacqueline Schultz which ran off a young Ariane Muenker/Ariana Chase from the show. 

 

The only other big behind the scenes scandal I can think of for ATWT during its later years was Eileen Fulton's feud with TPTB and of course a very married Austin Peck and a very married Terri Colombino involved in a very torrid affair that got Peck fired. 

 

Also Irna Philips vs Rosemary Prinz and Jane House.

 

Oh and Irna vs Helen Wagner, as she fired her at one point.

Edited April 11, 20205 yr by DRW50