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  1. I think JFP confuses "high stakes" with murder and rape. The reason the blackout on GL worked so well is that it was high drama. I think of the Robert/Eden/Cruz story and it was a high stakes drama that worked on an emotional level. They killed off a character who wasn't a long-term character. R/E/C prompted months of story and it worked because people cared. There didn't need to be a murder or a woman beaten up, raped, and/or murdered. She didn't and doesn't realize that soap stories need heart; they can't be simply about stunts. The stunts might temporarily raise ratings, but the longterm effects are usually detrimental to the show.
  2. My point was: All housewives are hypocrites. All housewives are inconsistent. All housewives pick and choose when they are offended/hurt/traumatized. 2020 has been an awful year, but I hope you have a good holiday week.
  3. I was making a joke considering that every housewife interrupts, changes the subject, or cries. Rinse and repeat. I have not posted since early November because my take on RHOP is vastly different from everyone else (my first point in six weeks was a couple days ago). I'm not a fan of Karen and I don't think Monique is a saint, so I know my posts won't be popular around here. Some people don't take kindly to a difference of opinion or they are not kind when someone disagrees about a housewife they like. If I have repeated my KAren complaints, it's because I find it offensive to ignore the subject of sexual assault to take another dig at a housewife. Note taken that I have mentioned it too much. i guess my six week absence was not enough.
  4. To be fair, she probably learned that from Karen who changes any subject to make it about Gizelle.
  5. RHOP: Let's be real. Monique and her team watched that video, and they catered her version to the video. Monique did not remember any of that--no one that out of control is going to remember every single detail. She has every right to study it, but don't lie and say it's your memory. I know people like Monique now, and don't like Candaice, but come on. Let's call everyone out for their b.s. Let's also remember that Monique destroyed the video with Michael assaulting the cameraman and that Karen excused Michael's behavior so she could take another swipe at Gizelle. RHOA: With Porsha's past actions, why is it wrong to question her activism? Some people on this board questioned it months ago (think it was the twerking thing if I remember correctly).
  6. Andy continued to question Monique's version of events on WWHL. MY sense is that Monique watched the video and she tailored her story to the video. No way someone that out of control remembered every single detail. It bothered me that Karen took Michael's assaulting men as a chance to go back at Gizelle. It was really icky. I know she has nothing else to do but go after Gizelle, but I expected KAren to take the allegations seriously, and not ignore them to take another swipe at Gizelle. Speaking of Michael, am I the only one who thinks Monique destroyed the evidence?
  7. I know I'm in a losing battle with this subject, but I think it's possible to think Gizelle is lying while thinking KAren has no story without Gizelle. Karen knows that. That's why she's keeping the pressure on Gizelle. That's why she always go after Gizelle at the reunions because she knows she has to keep it up. Karen (at least the last two seasons) has depended on other people for her story. Do people care about the alleged problems in her marriage? Comes across as so fake. KAren has always gone after Gizelle, and while she might have good reason, I just find it tedious. Gizelle will reveal herself; Karen the hall monitor can take a breather. OF course, Gizelle is a pot stirrer, but if these women are so damn dumb (which is really what Karen is saying) that they can be so easily manipulated, how is it Gizelle's fault?? They've seen the show--they know what she does. RHOM: @Cat I agree that's probably why Bravo chose the white women on the show, but I would also say that I think Lea was the favorite of the housewives. I think the major problem was that many of the women were lying about stuff behind the scenes. Ana was lying about her drinking. Adrianna was lying about nearly everything. Karent was hiding stuff as were Lisa and Joanna (especially about Roman). Marisol became a thirsty nutjob, and losing Mama Elsa was a huge blow to the show. Alexia was hiding her son's horrible criminal behavior. While I think season three was quite good (better than most seasons of current shows), I just think the toxicity got way too much for people. I think the Lea/Adrianna stuff was stronger than the contrived Joanna/Adrianna feud. There were real stakes there, but I also think finding out Adrianna was a liar also did some damage to the show.
  8. I get that, but it becomes annoying after a while. If you take Gizelle out of KAren's mouth, she barely has anything to do. She's like the Potomac version of Rinna going after Denise. I get that Gizelle is hiding stuff and there's some serious stuff there, but I just grow tired of KAren always going after Gizelle. I guess I don't respond to self-appointed hall monitors. I know the board thinks she's saint Karen, but I just wish she would focus on her own life. People like Gizelle always bring down themselves.
  9. RHOA: Where did the Carlos King rumor start? Was it Phaedra or her blog friends who put that rumor forward? It seems that came up as a way to save Phaedra's job. Frankly, it makes her look worse, and it doesn't jive with everything else she did that season. She wanted to take Kandi down, and she didn't need King to do anything. Phaedra was a liar from her first episode, and she was a liar on her last. The only thing I miss about her is her fine ass ex-husband. I think her ex-con ex-husband had more integrity than she did. RHOP: Karen on WWHL illustrated why I don't like her. She was asked if it were difficult to talk about her relationship trouble with Ray. Instead of answering, she went on a tirade about Gizelle and her relationship with Jamal. Andy even look bored at her deflection. Karen is obsessed with Gizelle, and I get why. If she keeps attacking Gizelle, she doesn't have to talk about her life or show anything substantial. She's really the Lisa Rinna of Potomac.
  10. RHOP: Is it me, or is Wendy the way Karen was in her first season? It feels like Karen is really reacting to her season one personality. Karen was a know-it-all scold in her first season. I don't know if educated women do well on housewives shows because there is always resentment from the other housewives and a lot of the fans resent it. I'm not saying that's the case about Wendy, but if I had four degrees, I'd be bringing it up every chance I got. That's a major accomplishment. I can see why someone like Karen wouldn't appreciate that.
  11. Tanya was aware of the cookie lady months before the lunchtime confrontation. Cynthia actually confronted Kenya at the lunch about bringing the cookie lady, and Tanya was aware of this. Tanya pretended none of this happened because the producers had not put these scenes in the show. In her speak on it, Cynthia tells of how the producers kept wanting Kenya and Cynthia to film at the cookie lady's store (at the beginning of the season) even though Cynthia barely knew her. She made it seem that the producers were behind the whole cookie lady stuff.
  12. For me, I think Tanya lost a lot of appeal when she was suddenly friends with Nene again after Nene said those disgusting things to her at the reunion. I knew then she was desperate to be on the show. I also think Cynthia's speak on it with Kandi spoke to how duplicitous Tanya is (. I remember thinking Kenya was fantastic on the reunion, and Nene was a disaster with her rehearsed reads and her weak comebacks to anything Kenya said. Porsha had the social distancing read, but for the most part, she was annoying too. I think it was probably the worst RHOA reunion as the first part was great, but the last two were duds.
  13. I know Patrick Mulcahey was not a fan of Conboy. He called him an idiot or something in an interview about Mulcahey's time on Santa Barbara.
  14. Potomac has definitely surpassed RHOA, but I'm willing to give it a try. I think the non-Nene season was one of the best, so fingers crossed this is going to be a good season. As for Kandi, I sort of see your point, but just because Kandi is wealthy that doesn't mean Riley's father should not have any responsibilities.
  15. I don't buy Karen's marriage storyline for one second. It all reeks of a storyline cooked up for the show since she didn't do much last year. I know most people think she walks on water, but I find her "grande dame" act to be just that. IT may also be that I revisited the first season where she was awful so I don't buy this Lady Bountiful routine. I do think there are moments when she is wonderful (telling the women they needed to be more compassionate to wig-impaired Katie is a highlight; bringing up last year with C and A) but like Gizelle's current relationship, I'm skeptical and not accepting it. I'm willing to be wrong, but I can't square season one Karen with the wise yoda woman she's presenting herself this season. I also think it's telling that fans seem to "worship" Karen, but Bravo doesn't do much with her outside of the show. I wonder if Karen is a Shannon who is a terror behind the scenes. Karen has a point about Candaice/Ashley last year, but I always find people who remain neutral do the most damage. These tend to be the same people who say "I don't do politics." Monique's annoyance that they won't let her show her change just tells me she didn't change. No one has to give her a chance to show change when she acted violently especially when it's mainly about you getting seats in an oversold event. It's not up to them to make the effort; it's up to Monique, and clearly, Monique is not willing to do the work. Ms. Neutral is smart enough to know that if she answered the "What would you do?" question, it would be a plot point. She could have remained truly neutral, and said, "Candaice, only you know how to handle this situation, and I will support any decision you make." She knew she'd get airtime if she answered. I would never denigrate Wendy for being educated, or for being a doctor. She put in a lot of hard work, and that is a major accomplishment. She didn't just marry a much older man to get status (that may seem like a dig at Karen but it was unintentional as I was thinking of RHOBH). She worked to get where she's at today and she should call herself Doctor any chance she gets. I would if I had the same education. If Wendy were coming after Gizelle, viewers would be cheering her in the streets.
  16. On a reality show, you're expected to forgive and move on when another housewife does something to you. I find that so bizarre as that's not the way life works. I'm all for Candaice not getting over it because that's real. However, I don't like milking it and seeing it as an opportunity and I'm someone who clearly thought Monique was in the wrong. I think the other women are being disingenuous, but Candaice is not making herself look good. She reminds me of Kim Richards when Rinna attacked. KR could have had the moral high ground but she was such a ghastly liar that she allowed a crying Rinna to get the sympathy. Candaice should take notes. I will say this: my belief is that you never really have to go after another HW because they always bring about their own downfall. I'm thinking of Kelly Dodd, Jill, Kim, Nene, Phaedra (rewatching some of ATL and she was awful. How was she liked?), etc.
  17. I don't know how to embed videos, but is this the Leeann Locken from RHOD at 13:19? Like Garcelle, Leeann appears to have started her career on Star Search: Leeann Locken on Star Search?
  18. re: Oc Ratings I don't know if it was getting rid of Tamra and Vicki so much as the trailer being so dull. IF the trailer had been exciting, I think there would have been a stronger need to watch the show. The trailer was dud so it gave people a reason to tune out. Granted, what could they possibly have done in the short time they had to film? The trips on OC were often the best parts of the show, and what are they going to do this season? A toilet paper run? When you couple that with Kelly's off screen shenanigans, I think people looked for excuses not to watch so many of the people who wanted Tamra and Vicki gone now backtracked. I was glad to see Vicki go, but I would have gotten rid of Shannon instead of Tamra.
  19. Wow. The ratings were extremely low for RHOC. I saw some of the Braunwyn stuff which looks compelling and engrossing. IT shows what the show can capable of providing, but I still don't want to give my time to this show. I don't have the energy or the interest to watch MAGA housewives when so many people are scared out of their minds with worry. The fans really irk me. They were all about getting rid of Tamra and Vicki after last season, but now they want them back. This is why Bravo never listens to fans, and it's why they refuse to make any significant changes to RHOBH. I don't think the ratings were down because of Vicki being gone since Vicki was sidelined last season. They were down because people were turned off by Kelly's mouth and racist attitudes, and many of us don't want to support MAGA people right now. Kelly is a prime example of letting your enemy hang herself--a lesson Monique should take to heart. I was in favor of Kelly last season, but her behavior during COVID and her MAGA racist stuff turned me right off. I don't want to waste my time watching a HW romance someone from FoxNews. As much as I think Emily is underrated, a big part of me would not feel comfortable watching her right now because I know she'd vote for someone who supports taking every possible right away from me. Who knew Braunwyn would be getting the love this season while the fans turn on other housewives?
  20. While Vicki is probably not wrong (Although I do think Emily has a lot of potential), it's hard to take Vicki seriously when she was a disaster last year, and her reunion appearance was horrific. She got herself fired, and she's the biggest hypocrite when it comes to Braunwyn. A modern marriage versus participating in a cancer scam? I know which one I would prefer. If anyone has the right to attack the show, it's Tamra who kept the show going the last few years with her pot stirring.
  21. In regards to RHOP, was this originally a different show? The first season premiere seemed so different, and Karen was an absolute mess with all her etiquette talk and having a hissy about Gizelle being in the middle of the booth. I'm so not a Karen fan. I think she's just as fake as people attack Gizelle for being. Speaking of Gizelle, do you think she brought Jamal on this show to humiliate him? If it was for a fake storyline, she is smart enough to know her father and her daughters were not going to play along, and she has known for a while that her father badmouthed Jamal. I can't shake the feeling the Gizelle/Jamal story was fake, but it was fake to get her revenge on him. It also makes her look like a victim when his nonsense comes to light. Leah is fine, but she's not why I tune in. I prefer Tinsley but that princess cruise has sailed. I tune in for Luann at this point. Sonja and Ramona I can do without (as we've seen lately, Sonja is one way on camera and one way off), but I think Luann is so three dimensional and has given so much to the show in the way of storyline and her personal life. The others have guarded themselves in various ways. Luann would never have pulled a Ramona "Shut it down" at the reunion when asked about anything. She may not have always been upfront, but she at least never kept certain things off camera like Bethenny, Dorinda, Ramona, and Sonja did.
  22. JAmal Bryant is a disgusting human being in so many ways. I'm not surprised about the gay marriage thing. I hope Gizelle would speak out against this as Porsha did about her preaching against gay men. If Gizelle wants to keep her job, I'm sure she'll give lip service to gay rights the way Porsha did when her controversy broke out.
  23. I appreciate you and @Taoboi responding in kind. I think it's important to have discussions like this in a positive way even when we disagree. I think why the fight bothers me so much is the unspoken idea that a mouthy woman deserves to get popped. That to me is what is behind a lot of the pro-Monique tweets/comments I've seen. I'm not suggesting all obviously, but this whole "she deserved to get her butt whupped" or "Where I come from, we'd have knocked her teeth in" is disgusting. I'm sure if the people who say these things would have to acknowledge what this really means and what it supports, they might not say it in that way, but they still said those things. I'm unnerved by that kind of thinking. I also think you pinpointed why I blame Monique. She has a lot of rage, and it's not just at Candaice. IT's at so many people and you can see even in her scenes with Chris that she has a lot of anger. I don't think anything Candaice said/did had anything to do with that fight. Monique came in there hot, and she wanted to fight. Did Candaice make it better? No, but in the past few episodes, Candaice had done everything she should have done. She even handled the Ashley situation with discretion and tact. She apologized to Monique repeatedly even about stuff that she shouldn't have apologized for. Do I like Candaice? Eh. As a gay man, she's not one of my faves. I'm suspicious of her. I think what also makes me suspicious of Monique is that she lied about the fight, lied about the blogs, and she continues to misrepresent things. IF you're not going to be honest about why you attacked someone (the rumor), I don't care about you. We all know she planted the stories. You wrote something that is very true. Candaice and Monique are very much alike. I will say that I think Chris is one of the better housewife husbands, but I don't feel much affection between Chris and Monique.
  24. I do think people are making light of what Monique did. I've read endless "I hope she got Candaice good," "Candaice deserved a whipping," "Keep it up Monique! Punch Gizelle!" I found that mindset deeply troubling. I think some people are excusing Monique because of who she attacked. If it had been Karen, would people be so quick to excuse her actions?? I know I'm in a losing battle with this point since most of the people on this board are pro-Monique, but I think what Monique did was horrible. When you are so angry that you black out, have to be restrained, and then run off to kill someone, you need serious help. In real life, I would never feel safe around someone like that. KAren and Ashley were always going to side with Monique and Gizelle and Robin were going to side against Monique. I don't see why one standpoint is more troubling than the other. I'm not a Candaice fan, so this isn't about her at all. I look sideways at her since the tweets, but if Denise could keep her cool and not punch anyone in the coven, Monique could restrain herself. Am I wrong, or wasn't Monique in a drunk driving incident and it was reported that she had lied about it? Or was it another Potomac housewife? Now we know Monique lied about giving the information to the blogs. I also think anything Monique brings to the reunion about JAmal is going to be redundant. We all know he's scum. Nothing could be as devastating as what Gizelle's father said.
  25. If Gizelle, Wendy and Robyn had their minds up, can't we say the same about Ashley and Karen? I thought Robyn and Wendy made excellent points. Blacking out, having to be restrained in a stairwell, and then running to attack the person??? That is some serious stuff, and as I've said, I find it frightening that so many people think it's perfectly acceptable. I was not here for Rinna throwing the glass and trying to strangle Kim (and I can't stand Kim) and I'm not here for Monique until she goes through anger management. Tamra must be cackling to herself every day. Kelly is a prime example of why you don't need to raise your hands to someone. In most cases, these housewives ALWAYS reveal themselves. They always stumble when they think they are the HBIC. They always go one step too far, and then the truth comes out.
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