ATWT: June 2010 Discussion

[Jay]

Not "All My Shadows," but...

I gave up on Nuke about a year ago, i.e., not watching ATWT, just as I had been doing -- not doing? -- from ~1996 until whenever Van Hansis was hired. I started watching again on Reid's first day. I'd read months before that Luke and Noah's doctor were going to fall in love, so I was waiting eagerly for Reid to get to town.

Luckily, Reid has turned out to be his own little gaytime-in-the-daytime phenomenon, a gift from God for Luke Snyder. I just love every little scene he and Luke are in. So, for me, Luke and Noah together means Luke and Reid are not together, and that is not a state I enjoy.

The writing made Noah into a sucky, unsympathetic SASA (Straight Acting, Straight Appearing), so I never want Luke to go back to him. If I'd been watching on TV yesterday, I'd've thrown a sock at it when Luke told Noah he wanted to be with him (Noah). Unlike some, I don't blame Jake S. It's the writing that made Noah into the infinite sucking maw he became. (Kiss under the NYE clock, anyone?)

It becomes personal for me, too. I'm a lot like Luke, and I've had two Noahs in my life -- I'm talking MAJOR relationships -- both of whom changed my life in ways I wish I could go back and change. Since I can't do that, I'll settle for throwing socks at Luke Snyder when he tells Doucheous Noah that he loves him and wants to be with him, not Reid. I just want to smack some sense into him.

It's hard for me to conceive of anyone's not hating Nuke when Ruke is waiting in the wings.

[Soapsuds]

Yup, Noah is like the mosquito you want to slap off your arm. His character has never matured. Luke is just as bad. Noah treats him like a doormat and Luke continues to grovel back to him.

Gawd..and Jake Silbermann acting never improved either. That is so sad.

[P.J.]

LOL...I thought the singing and drunken riffs were funny. It was his "mushy talk" (rhapsodizing on Katie's awesome kissing technique) that grossed me out. C'mon...Chris bedded Molly and Emily (not to mention former Porn Queen Alison)...and Katie's kissing is somehow more awesome? GMAB.

Did I miss something? She and Katie were talking at WOAK. Now, why she was there, I'm a little stumped by too...but I didn't see her at Java.

My SOD says Nancy also talks to Casey and Alison, so I'm hoping Helen Wagner's on tomorrow as well.

[All My Shadows]

She was at Java with Casey and Allison for a couple of scenes in the first half before she had her scenes with Bubbles in the second half. IIRC, all of the sources said that today was her last episode. When she died, they were saying that she was gonna be due in the studio the following week, so it kinda makes me sad to think that they were probably gonna start having on a little more leading up to the finale, but alas...she couldn't hold on that long. We miss you, Helen

[P.J.]

Thanks. I did go and check my DVR...I guess it's appropriate that on her last appearance, she started the show.

[Khan]

Exactly what I said at the end of GUIDING LIGHT. ;-)

Seeing Helen Wagner on my TV screen for what will be the last time (save for old clips) literally brought tears to my eyes. I hope and pray God remains with her, her loved ones and colleagues.

[Saving ATWT]

For me, ATWT is the best it has been in ages. All of my fav characters have been seen: Lucinda, Paul, Emily, Barbara, Nancy, Reid, Luke, Emma. Lucinda has been on great the past few episodes and Emma is acting all mother hen like she did back in the 1980's. I even think the storylines are fairly good and like how so many of the characters are interacting. The show deserves better then the current ratings.

One detail: Henry made some remark about Babs drugging Emily to break her up and Paul but that is all wrong because the situation was about Hal like five years ago. The writers need to be a bit more carful. I am thrilled that the show have not been so CarJack/Janet focused. The overuse of Carly has really hurt the show over the years and did not allow for the development of other characters.

When is James due back? I am totally excited about it.

[ChiTownBoi03]

I'm not really feeling Katie and Chris, mainly because this particular Chris is such a doofus half the time. Does Katie *have* to have a man...? What ever happened to just being single for awhile?

YAY to Reid telling Luke to get out. MMMmmm it was nice watching him walk towards the front door from behind.

So NutMeg might be getting poisoned...I see. Well, I still think shes nuts irregardless.

[P.J.]

If Katie wants to play the "honesty in all relationships" card, she should tell Vienna the ONLY reason she called her to come back to Oakdale in the first place was because she already knew about Henry's relationship with Babs, and didn't like it.

And how bad could any pic/videos that Silas has of Molly be? I mean, embarrassing, sure...but this is Molly. Not exactly a virgin, and certainly not ever thought of as "demure". Unless she's doing KING KONG or something, it hardly seems like anything she could be coerced with.

[Difficult Diva]

Exactly. There's a reason why t he "supercouple status" made the Noah and Luke pairing stagnant (for me) for the past 2 years (since after Ameera left and right before Brian Wheatley showed up). I used to LOVE the pairing, but then I got tired of fanwanking everything that wasn't shown on screen to death, in order to try and justify things that happened on screen: Noah constantly pushing Luke away. Luke continuing to take that treatment from Noah. Nobody in Luke's family seeing what was going on.

Again, I agree with you. If Noah Mayer was Noelle Mayer, her character would have been kicked to the curb a long time ago. Does anyone else remember Sophie? Noah survived because he was a gay character and the only damn gay in the village of Oakdale who WASN'T related to Luke.

I remember that period. Folks had created icons and screen banners and webpages on 2 to 3 press images alone. Van and Jake went to the 2007 GLAAD Awards a whole month BEFORE Jake's first airdate.

ESS and Dr. Reid Oliver ARE gifts to this industry. Dr. Reid Oliver's a breathe a fresh damn air, a character that doesn't need to be biologically connected/related to anyone else on the canvas and that IF the show writers take the time to think outside the box and let a character grow and develop while letting the audience SEE it on screen, you can establish a storyline in which not everything can be predicted from the first moment. They had folks questioning if he was straight and if he was going to be Katie's new love interest for months.

That's why I want Luke to experience something, hell ANYTHING with Reid for however long the show deems fit. Luke's never been with anybody else. All that he knows is Noah and that's not a good thing, especially in regards to how dysfunctional their relationship has been for a very long time. Luke should NEVER be someone's doormat, especially for a character that has been so shabbily written for the past 3 years.

Don't get me wrong, I think Jake's a sweetie, who's gorgeous, but for awhile, especially in the beginning I wanted him to use his time off-screen by taking some more acting classes.

[Actor87]

Don't get me wrong; I'm totally pro-ATWT discussion. It just sucks that most of this thread has been taken over by Nuke fans saying how much they love Nuke, and anti-Nuke fans saying how much they despise Nuke. I get the passion; I do. But there are tons of other storylines and characters to talk about. But don't shoot me; that's just my own personal opinion. One of the main reasons I've been absent as of late is the sudden increase in posters' lack of openmindedness when it comes to others' opinions.

Nancy's final line went something like this:

"Don't push yourself too hard, dear. Just know that it takes time to be ready to fall in love again, and I don't think you are".

In Java, Nancy said she was meeting Kim there later. I was clinging to hope that Kim would appear and Nancy would get a decent scene. Nothing against Katie, and I know the situation is out of everyone's control, but I was hoping for somewhat of a Hughes-y final scene for Nancy.

Helen's absence is already greatly felt.

[ian]

This show of over a half-decade is ending in three months and all anyone can bitch about is Nuke? If the show was going on another 5 years, who knows if they'd even be with the same people, or that any of them (Luke, Noah or Reid) would still be on the show. As it is, in 5 years it won't even matter anyway, because RIP ATWT.

At this point, we aren't even talking about legacy... because those multi-generational legacy characters/stories are soon going to be relegated to memory.

So, to the Lures and the Nukes... all you're nattering is about bragging rights over the ending of a dead show. Considering who is writing and producing it, there's a huge chance you'll be disappointed anyway - just like the majority of viewers. For all the thought and effort and creativity that these hacks want to expend, they will most likely flip a coin.

So, if your couple ends up being the ones together on the last episode, you can, in the words of Leland from Citizen Kane

, "Take all your power to a deserted island and lord it over the monkeys".

Please stop talking about sh!t that is totally unimportant. Let's talk about matters of consequence, the 50+ legacy of this show, and of the late Mrs. Helen Wagner.

[All My Shadows]

I'm failing to see how discussing As the World Turns in a thread titled "ATWT: June 2010 Discussion" is a bad thing...? And how characters and storylines currently playing out on the show are "unimportant?" But maybe it's just me, I don't know. I don't see where anyone was told that they can't discuss other characters and storylines. But I digress.

Today's show was totally hot and cold for me. I loved the stuff at Lily's house. Stuff like that, I always like, with storylines mingling together under the same roof. And it felt like a real party, too! I'm not sold on Gabe, yet, though, so we shall see.

Lily's "Oh, Noah, but the kids love you!" talk had me cracking up. Come on, now. How often have we ever seen those poor kids with Lunkhead? The writing for this triangle is getting very repetitive. Reid and Luke get close, Luke goes to Noah, Reid gets annoyed and starts cracking jokes, Luke "sees the light" and stands up to the big bad doctor, Noah treats Luke like a spoiled ham sandwich, Reid and Luke get close, etc. And Reid threw away a perfectly good TV dinner.

The stuff with Molly and Silas. Jeez. I haven't even been following this storyline, and I love Lesli Kay, but man...that was some bad acting she had going on, from the beginning to the show to the very last preview.

[Ann_SS]

Got to say I don't miss the days of the usual suspects dominating the ATWT thread. ATWT is being cancelled is the best thing that ever happened to this thread.

You clearly don't even read what has been posted about Reid and Luke here because just about no one here thinks that they are ending up together so there is no such thing as "bragging rights" going on here. How about you post what you want to post about and let the rest of us do the same? Don't know why you are so riled up over what people post about dead show anyway.

Back to the show. Reid rocks. ESS is so talented. Too bad Reid hasn't figured out that he is too good for Luke as yet. At least, I like that he is so dismissive about Luke's drama. I hope that Reid grabbed some good food on the way out.

Lily is so pathetic. You would think Noah just got a death sentence from the way she was acting. She will never change no matter who is playing the role.

[Soapsuds]

How can it be s h i t if it's on our screen?? No one is preventing you from posting here. There is a tribute thread to talk about the legacy of the shaw and Mrs. Wagner. If TPTB would write for the legacy characters as you put it then I we wouldnt be talking s h i t like u point out...geez