Members Cashton Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 Standing up for your beliefs??? It's not a stance, it's a weak smoke-screen of the truth which is - "Oh no, people will think I'm gay!". And every homophobe I've ever seen almost always has some sordid gay past. Miss California's mom had a gay affair. Ted Haggerty...Mark Foley...Larry Craig...the list goes on and on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 Let's wait for the whole story. In this story, Adam was [ a ] having sex out of wedlock, [ b ] screwing with a woman who loved him for his own gain, [ c ] covetous (he wanted money and fortune), [ d ] got another woman fired for his gain, and [ e ] may be toying with Rafe -- possibly as far as homo-sect - shual kissing and f*cking for his own gain. Moreover, [ f ] his actions may result in the death of an unborn child and [ g ] insanity of a woman who showed him charity/kindness. Wrap it all together, and we have loads 'o' sins here. So, if he is Christian, perhaps he quit for all of the above reasons. If he is just homophobic, or if he gets creeped out by feeling stubble on his lips (these aren't necessarily COMPLETELY the same thing), that's a different thing. He may also still be worried about that gay stigma for his career. But I think Jake and Heath and Sean kind of showed that's a needless worry nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dragonflies Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 We don't know he's a bigot, I doubt we're getting the FULL story and I'm more interested in his side of the story before I go around calling him a bigot, or a homophobe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 Dude...you just KILLED his career. Like seriously. I'm not sure that's a good thing...but...wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MoTheGreat Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 We don't even know what the truth is. & I bet they won't let him talk either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 You have fun. I'm enjoying my rush to judgment. I think there's only so many angles on "I ain't kissin' no dude." Most likely he will come out with a tepid defense by attacking the other writing for the character and tacking the gay material onto it -and pretending it is not the issue. If he broke contract, he already dealt with this in the worst, most public way imaginable. He asked for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MarkH Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 Here's the GOOD thing. If it made Perez, Engen and his team are going to HAVE to talk. This could even lead to Larry King. This'll open up the can of worms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 And as I said, it will turn into a sort of dime-store Isaiah Washington thing - he will likely go on and on and on about story minutiae on Y&R while trying to deflect from the obvious problem; he didn't want to kiss a dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 The Perez flap was the best thing which could have happened for her. She was made into a martyr and is now beloved by many on the Christian right, as well as Fox News (very popular and powerful). Chris Engen broke a contract, and that's going to haunt him for quite some time, regardless of his reasons for quitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 And unlike Miss California, Chris Engen's employer base in Los Angeles and New York is not the Christian right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bellcurve Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 I'm sure there were MANY people who sent this link to Perez, which caused him to post a story about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 I very much hope Chris Engen will be able to speak because something tells me his problems started long before the kiss. The writing for Adam has been bad, and getting worse, for almost a year now. I think the kiss is more of a flashpoint for both sides. That's what will get more publicity, and may have been what pushed him to quit, but other events led up to this moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dragonflies Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 More power to ya if you want to rush to judgement. I'm still waiting for his side of the story. I'm not going go around calling him names when for one, I don't have ALL of the facts(maybe we never will), and for two there are two sides to every story. He's also allowed to believe in what he believes in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 Of course he is. He also should be prepared for finding a new line of work, if his beliefs interfere with the mindset of the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members YRBB Posted May 21, 2009 Members Share Posted May 21, 2009 Chris Engen has a magnetic presence, a stunningly hot body and face and, despite the writing for him, I always enjoy watching him. If he goes, I'll be sad to see him go. But... I will echo what others said--actors must act. Quitting over this will hurt his career, maybe destroy it, and there will possibly be no forgiveness by the entertainment industry. Everybody is entitled to his opinion, but it is a backward, disgusting opinion and I am very disappointed that an actor I enjoy feels this way. Honestly, I hope all this is false, but I can't help but feel that it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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