She doesn't bother me as Mac, but the bags under her eyes are so noticeable at times...

Why exactly did [billy] think Chloe wouldn't find out about the wedding? Was he not even using his brain?

He's had to put his brain on ice since Sharon's no longer keeping it occupied.

He's had to put his brain on ice since Sharon's no longer keeping it occupied.

LOL I'm sure he'll be using his brain a lot when Sharon delivers the happy news to the potential father(s).

IMO, Clementine Ford looks horrible and old. She looks like she is in Cane's age range, not Billy's. Those hairs extension do her no favors. DaytimeFan isn't here any more so in his stead, I recommend that she try a facial peel and some cucumbers for those bags under her eyes. I don't know how a 29 year women could look like that unless she has lived a hard life. I wonder if she smokes or maybe she drinks a lot.

I 100% blame the show for that.

She isnt classicly beautiful, but shes from haggard and old looking, IMHO-

Patience, patience, patience.

The "ugly duckling" has arrived from Darfur with a hardened, broken heart, and a sense of what is SUBSTANTIAL in life, rather than superficial. Moreover, this is someone who, years ago, when she learned she was a Chancellor, promptly decided to use the bus to work at Crimson Lights. She was always supposed to be the glowering and unadorned girl...with an inner life we -- and probably she -- could never full access.

The goal, of course, is to see whether she can be slowly, slowly, slowly thawed. But it must be slow if there is to be any verisimilitude. If the bags suddenly disappear or she suddenly looks like every other soap chick...what's the point? She's supposed to stand out for her resolute rejection of Western commercialism. Like Brock.

Why does everyone have to be homogenized, and happy.

We already saw hints of her tenderness and loving nature with Kevin. We saw a brief flash of flirtatiousness when she applied at Jimmy's. Her eyes tell the story of longing and restraint with Billy. Please don't rush this to fit into some kind of shiny happy soap template. Otherwise, they might as well have cast Rebecca Budig or Kirsten Storms. This is a different kind of heroine, and this is a "Coming Home" (Voight-Fonda) kind of story.

Patience, patience, patience.

The "ugly duckling" has arrived from Darfur with a hardened, broken heart, and a sense of what is SUBSTANTIAL in life, rather than superficial. Moreover, this is someone who, years ago, when she learned she was a Chancellor, promptly decided to use the bus to work at Crimson Lights. She was always supposed to be the glowering and unadorned girl...with an inner life we -- and probably she -- could never full access.

The goal, of course, is to see whether she can be slowly, slowly, slowly thawed. But it must be slow if there is to be any verisimilitude. If the bags suddenly disappear or she suddenly looks like every other soap chick...what's the point? She's supposed to stand out for her resolute rejection of Western commercialism. Like Brock.

Why does everyone have to be homogenized, and happy.

We already saw hints of her tenderness and loving nature with Kevin. We saw a brief flash of flirtatiousness when she applied at Jimmy's. Her eyes tell the story of longing and restraint with Billy. Please don't rush this to fit into some kind of shiny happy soap template. Otherwise, they might as well have cast Rebecca Budig or Kirsten Storms. This is a different kind of heroine, and this is a "Coming Home" (Voight-Fonda) kind of story.

I'm really really really trying with the optimism. Please be right.

I'm really really really trying with the optimism. Please be right.

This is an interesting debate though (sorry to get off-topic). We give people like Goutman a lot of crap for saying stories need to move faster, and it needs to be all plot/plot/plot, and people don't have the attention span to follow a slow-moving story, etc. And we totally come down on him harshly for saying that. But CF has been on for exactly four weeks, and it seems like it's a done-deal - people on SON don't want to invest the time in her. And there's also the

Daniel-working-for-the-Feds

story discussed in the Spoiler section that people are already saying will fail.

I'm not saying one's right and one's wrong, I just think it's interesting that we are coming down on execs for saying people don't want to invest time in a story so they have to move through stories quickly, when it looks like we're proving them right when we post things like this. Maybe they're on to something?

Edited May 4, 200916 yr by brimike

Clementine got to go.

Amen! That chick is one of the most bland, boring, and lifeless actresses I've ever seen.

I wouldn't be surprised if she was the recast SOD was talking about in that blind item from last week's issue...

Edited May 4, 200916 yr by detroitpiston

This is an interesting debate though (sorry to get off-topic). We give people like Goutman a lot of crap for saying stories need to move faster, and it needs to be all plot/plot/plot, and people don't have the attention span to follow a slow-moving story, etc. And we totally come down on him harshly for saying that. But CF has been on for exactly four weeks, and it seems like it's a done-deal - people on SON don't want to invest the time in her. And there's also the

Daniel-working-for-the-Feds

story discussed in the Spoiler section that people are already saying will fail.

Hmmm, not necessarily fail, it just came out of the blue.

I'm really really really trying with the optimism. Please be right.

We'll see as time goes by. It's hard with a character like Mac.

We'll see as time goes by. It's hard with a character like Mac.

Why is it hard?

Y&R is a 36 year old show. So, why expect everything to be perfect within a month? Why not just get on the train, and enjoy the journey? That's why I watch soaps....

Patience, patience, patience.

The "ugly duckling" has arrived from Darfur with a hardened, broken heart, and a sense of what is SUBSTANTIAL in life, rather than superficial. Moreover, this is someone who, years ago, when she learned she was a Chancellor, promptly decided to use the bus to work at Crimson Lights. She was always supposed to be the glowering and unadorned girl...with an inner life we -- and probably she -- could never full access.

The goal, of course, is to see whether she can be slowly, slowly, slowly thawed. But it must be slow if there is to be any verisimilitude. If the bags suddenly disappear or she suddenly looks like every other soap chick...what's the point? She's supposed to stand out for her resolute rejection of Western commercialism. Like Brock.

Why does everyone have to be homogenized, and happy.

We already saw hints of her tenderness and loving nature with Kevin. We saw a brief flash of flirtatiousness when she applied at Jimmy's. Her eyes tell the story of longing and restraint with Billy. Please don't rush this to fit into some kind of shiny happy soap template. Otherwise, they might as well have cast Rebecca Budig or Kirsten Storms. This is a different kind of heroine, and this is a "Coming Home" (Voight-Fonda) kind of story.

to bad NONE of this is written.

That said, so far i have loved her the most at Jimmys when applying. I am down for a Mac/Cane thing.

This is an interesting debate though (sorry to get off-topic). We give people like Goutman a lot of crap for saying stories need to move faster, and it needs to be all plot/plot/plot, and people don't have the attention span to follow a slow-moving story, etc. And we totally come down on him harshly for saying that. But CF has been on for exactly four weeks, and it seems like it's a done-deal - people on SON don't want to invest the time in her. And there's also the

Daniel-working-for-the-Feds

story discussed in the Spoiler section that people are already saying will fail.

I'm not saying one's right and one's wrong, I just think it's interesting that we are coming down on execs for saying people don't want to invest time in a story so they have to move through stories quickly, when it looks like we're proving them right when we post things like this. Maybe they're on to something?

So true.

I do think we all rush to judge everything. And some of that is a natural reaction but now, unlike in the past, its as if we dont allow time to change our views. Perhaps it is because of whiplash storytelling and quick recasts, who know.

Did anyone else see the way Ana was looking at Jill when she first sat down? If looks could kill lol.

Why is it hard?

Y&R is a 36 year old show. So, why expect everything to be perfect within a month? Why not just get on the train, and enjoy the journey? That's why I watch soaps....

I never said I didn't like her, it's the bags under her eyes that disturb me from time to time. If others can't get invested in her solely on the basis of the fact that her character always was pretty boring, then that's their problem, right?

Did anyone else see the way Ana was looking at Jill when she first sat down? If looks could kill lol.

Kudos on her singing talent... but she probably didn't even know she was acting in that scene.

to bad NONE of this is written.

Therein lies the problem with this story. Much of her performance is left to speculation.

If we don't get an explanation soon, then we'll know that she was supposed to emote more than she has, that all of those scenes with Miller lacked chemistry because she was just bad not because she was intentionally trying to hide her emotions.

I'll wait. I'm definitely not throwing her under the bus yet, especially if she does exhibit an emotional breakthrough over the next few months.

ETA:

I think boring Mac works in a highly dramatic story line with the world in utter chaos while she's in the middle. Thus far, no one's in chaos.

Edited May 4, 200916 yr by rhythmchyc